In appreciation of Wyc

[clover]

I'm one of those who felt the C's held on to the Old Three for too long.  Had Danny swung a deal for Pierce to get a pick in the top 9 last year, for example, they could not only already have Drummond for their rebuilding, but they also wouldn't have had the bad contracts they signed last summer or the bad contracts they're taking on in the Nets trade to dispose of.

And I thought Wyc put his thumb on the scales weighing Danny toward the fifth and sixth years of 'window' under which the Big Three got so old.

But clearly Danny's got their full backing now for a bold and even visionary rebuild.  Wyc and his team made the right choice in fully backing Danny and cutting bait on having Doc here for next year.  They clearly handled the wooing and signing of Brad Stevens absolutely perfectly.  Wyc even has found just the right tone, with underlying clarity, to address the Doc situation since:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/07/wyc_grousbeck_for_the_record_doc_rivers_left_us_period

There's something to be said for Wyc and his team's background in VC/PE for such a rebuild. Indeed, Danny's steps so far have the feel of a PE turnaround.  IMO their smart hiring has the right guy in Danny overseeing the transformation, but they're obviously squarely behind him in resources and counsel as well.

I can hardly believe I'm writing such a cheerleading post, but it seems as if the role of ownership has been overlooked in the promising moves of the last two weeks.

[Celtics4ever]

Wyc does seem like a good owner.   He is a fan and cares about the team but leaves the decisions to the experts.

[CoachBo]

You might want to tap the brakes on the "bold and visionary" angle until you see if it works out better than the last one, where the credit falls mostly to Kevin McHale and Sam Presti.

Kind of interesting to be around here all that time and see the plethora of posts touting the "greatness" of a youth movement that all but disappeared when most were traded, then see those same people morph into "it's all about accumulating assets." Assets. 

It's been said before: Other franchises don't seem to have to rebuild. They reload.

Why would it be that the Celtics are now heading toward the second major rebuild of the last decade?

Maybe the reason is the owners just want to cut overhead? Drastically.

I think I'll reserve the "bold and visionary" title for R.C. Buford, not Danny Ainge.

[aingeforthree]

The smartest move the owners made was signing Ainge. We were lacking a competent GM for quite some time. They found the right guy from the get go when Ainge was added. Huge move for the franchise.

[Casperian]

It's been said before: Other franchises don't seem to have to rebuild. They reload.

Such as?

[celtics2]

Wyc is one fine owner and has decided not to take emotions to extremes. Time to cut bait and fish.

[ssspence]

You might want to tap the brakes on the "bold and visionary" angle until you see if it works out better than the last one, where the credit falls mostly to Kevin McHale and Sam Presti.

Absurd comment.

[soap07]

You might want to tap the brakes on the "bold and visionary" angle until you see if it works out better than the last one, where the credit falls mostly to Kevin McHale and Sam Presti.

Er...what?

It's been said before: Other franchises don't seem to have to rebuild. They reload.

Er....what?

[clover]

You might want to tap the brakes on the "bold and visionary" angle until you see if it works out better than the last one, where the credit falls mostly to Kevin McHale and Sam Presti.

Kind of interesting to be around here all that time and see the plethora of posts touting the "greatness" of a youth movement that all but disappeared when most were traded, then see those same people morph into "it's all about accumulating assets." Assets. 

It's been said before: Other franchises don't seem to have to rebuild. They reload.

Why would it be that the Celtics are now heading toward the second major rebuild of the last decade?

Maybe the reason is the owners just want to cut overhead? Drastically.

I think I'll reserve the "bold and visionary" title for R.C. Buford, not Danny Ainge.

The 'accumulating assets' point is legitimate IMO--that's how Danny got Ray and KG.

And yeah, I already dinged ownership, because that's where I believe the fault lies, for their not making the easier transition a year or two ago.

Cutting overhead is not very smart where the biggest return comes from winning.  Yeah, no reason to waste $$$ on Doc or overpaid bench veterans during a rebuild, but I really don't see where the C's could be accused of being stupidly cheap.

The McHale and Presti argument is just bogus IMO.

But yeah, you can wait a while to see how Danny's rebuild works out.  He's still got the Rondo question and some bad contracts to disappear in the next year, for example.

I just think there's credit due to the approach already.

[Nerf DPOY]

...., where the credit falls mostly to Kevin McHale and Sam Presti...


It's been said before: Other franchises don't seem to have to rebuild. They reload....


.....I think I'll reserve the "bold and visionary" title for R.C. Buford, not Danny Ainge.

I'd say the Spurs, Lakers, Heat, and Pistons have all had better success than the Celtics during Ainge's tenure. Of course, without the luck of the ping pong balls, the Spurs never get Duncan and without Duncan they probably never win anything, so my logic leads me to believe Buford stinks.

Now to Riley's Heat...the first championship is completely due to Kobe's divisiveness that drove Shaq out of town, so Riley wasn't responsible at all. This second Heat run is really the product of three other GM's follies. Dumars botched the '03 draft so bad that Wade fell into Riley's lap. Paxon and Colangelo built such cruddy teams around Lebron and Bosh respectively that they drove away their franchise players to the point that they had to go form that dream team in South Beach with Wade, whom we already established Riley lucked into drafting.

I guess that leaves Dumars and Kupchack. Besides drafting Darko, neither GM has ever actually made a mistake, ever,ever. BTW, Dumars just gave 4/56 to a bad shooter who shoots turn around jump shots like he's playing a video game, and Dumars will likely deal away one of his sub 25 year-old franchise bigs in the upcoming days to put together a hopeless win-now team in an attempt to avoid being fired.

 Kupchak's Lakers will simply reload like smart GM's do. Gasol, a 39 year old Nash, Kobe on one foot, no draft picks......sounds like a seamless transition to me once that cap space opens up.

I know one might say " That's a lot of mental gymnastics to go through, slight of hand reasoning and simply calling up down to try and make points that on their face are so idiotic that they're laughable". I disagree, I think it gives me an edge.

[Celtics4ever]

Other franchises don't seem to have to rebuild. They reload.

Name some other than the Lakers.

[BballTim]

You might want to tap the brakes on the "bold and visionary" angle until you see if it works out better than the last one, where the credit falls mostly to Kevin McHale and Sam Presti.

Kind of interesting to be around here all that time and see the plethora of posts touting the "greatness" of a youth movement that all but disappeared when most were traded, then see those same people morph into "it's all about accumulating assets." Assets. 

It's been said before: Other franchises don't seem to have to rebuild. They reload.

Why would it be that the Celtics are now heading toward the second major rebuild of the last decade?

Maybe the reason is the owners just want to cut overhead? Drastically.

I think I'll reserve the "bold and visionary" title for R.C. Buford, not Danny Ainge.

  Buford hasn't had to rebuild yet. Let's see what he does with the team in a few years when Duncan and Manu leave. I'd say that the odds that he'll reload and not rebuild when that happens are remote at best.

[celtics2]

Other franchises don't seem to have to rebuild. They reload.

Name some other than the Lakers.

Lakers are the Model for Reloaders. Been goin on since at least the Bird era.
Great Basketball Town.