There has to be more moves right?

[WeMadeIt17]

This Celtics Roster doesn't make to much sense. I mean i think this team as is, is to talented to be a complete loss out there. You have an all-star PG, a SF who looks to be coming into his own after averaging 20ppg in the playoffs, one of the best defensive guards in the league, and capable vets like Bass,Hump,Wallace,Brooks,Lee,Crawford. I just think Danny knows he can flip guys like Hump,Lee,and Bass. Something else has to be going down.

I believe that Danny is looking to do something big. We have so many draft picks as well. I think Josh Smith will be here soon. And hopefully land Al Jefferson. That would give us a nice core of.

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Smith
Jefferson

That team could raise some hell and be able to compete. But i have been known to be right and wrong lol. So what do you think. Does this roster really make any sense as is right now? What do you think Danny is doing?

[Evantime34]

This Celtics Roster doesn't make to much sense. I mean i think this team as is, is to talented to be a complete loss out there. You have an all-star PG, a SF who looks to be coming into his own after averaging 20ppg in the playoffs, one of the best defensive guards in the league, and capable vets like Bass,Hump,Wallace,Brooks,Lee,Crawford. I just think Danny knows he can flip guys like Hump,Lee,and Bass. Something else has to be going down.

I believe that Danny is looking to do something big. We have so many draft picks as well. I think Josh Smith will be here soon. And hopefully land Al Jefferson. That would give us a nice core of.

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Smith
Jefferson

That team could raise some hell and be able to compete. But i have been known to be right and wrong lol. So what do you think. Does this roster really make any sense as is right now? What do you think Danny is doing?

I think there are certainly more moves, while many people seem convinced that they will be moves to further blow up this team by dealing Rondo, I think that will depend on the offers they get.

I think if they find a team to take Lee, Bass and/or Wallace along with Rondo and send us a pick we will move on that deal, otherwise we will need a very good young player back. There is a good chance this doesn't happen.

I think adding Smith would make us similar in ceiling to some of the Hawks teams that lost in the second round. The difference would be, we have an excess of first round picks to improve that team, so you wouldn't see the talent plateau that afflicted Atlanta.

[saltlover]

I do think there will be more moves, but I can see this roster making some sense.  Gerald Wallace was a pretty good basketball player before he completely fell apart this year.  If you can get him playing solid basketball again, he could be an asset instead of a liability, and a capable starting power forward.  Additionally, the Celtics are currently below the luxury tax, which would seem to be the goal of ownership, but they won't be that much below, so adding an additional player would be difficult if they're making much more money than the player leaving the roster.

I wrote a post which is currently on the front page looking at some of the options the C's have. 

http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/6/28/4475236/a-brave-new-world-whats-next-for-the-celtics

[rondoallaturca]

Of course there are more moves coming. There's no way we just stop here with a team way too thin on PG and C and way too saturated at SG and SF. Plus, there's still guys like Bass that just don't make sense on a rebuilding team. Make no mistake, Ainge is no where near done right now.

As for your idea with Smith and Jefferson, it's good, but I don't think it's good enough. We could put our assets to better use.

[WeMadeIt17]

This Celtics Roster doesn't make to much sense. I mean i think this team as is, is to talented to be a complete loss out there. You have an all-star PG, a SF who looks to be coming into his own after averaging 20ppg in the playoffs, one of the best defensive guards in the league, and capable vets like Bass,Hump,Wallace,Brooks,Lee,Crawford. I just think Danny knows he can flip guys like Hump,Lee,and Bass. Something else has to be going down.

I believe that Danny is looking to do something big. We have so many draft picks as well. I think Josh Smith will be here soon. And hopefully land Al Jefferson. That would give us a nice core of.

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Smith
Jefferson

That team could raise some hell and be able to compete. But i have been known to be right and wrong lol. So what do you think. Does this roster really make any sense as is right now? What do you think Danny is doing?

I think there are certainly more moves, while many people seem convinced that they will be moves to further blow up this team by dealing Rondo, I think that will depend on the offers they get.

I think if they find a team to take Lee, Bass and/or Wallace along with Rondo and send us a pick we will move on that deal, otherwise we will need a very good young player back. There is a good chance this doesn't happen.

I think adding Smith would make us similar in ceiling to some of the Hawks teams that lost in the second round. The difference would be, we have an excess of first round picks to improve that team, so you wouldn't see the talent plateau that afflicted Atlanta.

Good point. We would be similar to the ATL teams of past but with a lot of 1st round picks to move or draft good young players will help a lot.

[rondoallaturca]

I do think there will be more moves, but I can see this roster making some sense.  Gerald Wallace was a pretty good basketball player before he completely fell apart this year.  If you can get him playing solid basketball again, he could be an asset instead of a liability, and a capable starting power forward.  Additionally, the Celtics are currently below the luxury tax, which would seem to be the goal of ownership, but they won't be that much below, so adding an additional player would be difficult if they're making much more money than the player leaving the roster.

I wrote a post which is currently on the front page looking at some of the options the C's have. 

http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/6/28/4475236/a-brave-new-world-whats-next-for-the-celtics

Interesting write up. I am particularly interested in your proposal of bringing in BOTH Smith and Horford, and let Atlanta chase after the 2014 sweepstakes, not us. My question now is if such a trade is possible under the CBA. Furthermore, should a trade be able to work, you note that we COULD still have cap room for someone like Redick, who I'd absolutely LOVE to pick up. What exactly are our chances at still having room for a guy like Redick if we trade for Smith/Horford? This sounds like something only a true CBA buff can tackle.

However, theoretically, if we could get a lineup of Rondo, Bradley, Green, Smith, and Horford with Redick, Olynyk, and others coming off the bench, that would be absolutely stellar, and I'd say that is easily a championship contending team.

[Mean green30]

The only concern ill be with both j-smoove and rondo on the same team have character issues would destroy Celtic pride don't have the right coach than if was Danny ill look to a veteran c
Head coach

[bfrombleacher]

There may or may not be more moves. Ainge isn't in control...

Well, actually he could trade regardless. But he'd be getting pennies on the dollar.

[saltlover]

I do think there will be more moves, but I can see this roster making some sense.  Gerald Wallace was a pretty good basketball player before he completely fell apart this year.  If you can get him playing solid basketball again, he could be an asset instead of a liability, and a capable starting power forward.  Additionally, the Celtics are currently below the luxury tax, which would seem to be the goal of ownership, but they won't be that much below, so adding an additional player would be difficult if they're making much more money than the player leaving the roster.

I wrote a post which is currently on the front page looking at some of the options the C's have. 

http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/6/28/4475236/a-brave-new-world-whats-next-for-the-celtics

Interesting write up. I am particularly interested in your proposal of bringing in BOTH Smith and Horford, and let Atlanta chase after the 2014 sweepstakes, not us. My question now is if such a trade is possible under the CBA. Furthermore, should a trade be able to work, you note that we COULD still have cap room for someone like Redick, who I'd absolutely LOVE to pick up. What exactly are our chances at still having room for a guy like Redick if we trade for Smith/Horford? This sounds like something only a true CBA buff can tackle.

However, theoretically, if we could get a lineup of Rondo, Bradley, Green, Smith, and Horford with Redick, Olynyk, and others coming off the bench, that would be absolutely stellar, and I'd say that is easily a championship contending team.

The biggest key with the CBA is how much are you paying Smith and Redick.  You cannot complete a sign-and-trade if you are over the apron, which is projected to be between $74-$75 million, similar to last year.  If you go for the trade I posited in the article, which is all the players we got from the Nets and Jared Sullinger (plus picks for those who don't read the article) you're a shade over $52 million including Horford, excluding Smith and Redick, including Olynyk at his slot value, and excluding all of our non-guaranteed players.  That's nine roster slots filled, with $22-$23 million to go.  If Redick and Smith cost that much by themselves, then no, you can't do it very easily, unless the cap projections were somewhat low.  You'd have to find someone to take Courtney Lee or Jordan Crawford off your hands, which is sensible because they're  superfluous if you get Redick, but may not be very simple or cheap.  But if the two leave us with $500k cap space after their signing, it's doable and legal within the cap rules (since we'd have to be under the apron level with a roster charge for an unsigned 12th player -- I think -- the sign-and-trade restriction still seems a bit arcane, this being the first summer it goes into effect.)

Furthermore, my understanding is we could actually exceed the apron after the sign-and-trade if we want, but the sign-and-trade can't leave us over the apron.  It's a pretty silly rule in my opinion if that's how it works, but that's what the CBA FAQ implies.  That would allow us to use the taxpayer mid-level to bring in an additional free agent (my preference would be a point guard).

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I believe there are. There has to be, but for the love of basketball Gods I hope Danny gets patient.

I would like to see our guys play the season. The first and foremost thing we need to do is make sure our assets stock rise. That means PT. If Sullinger, Bradley, Olynyk and the rest of the crew will look like productive players that can help any team, add along our abundance of picks, we package them and we won't even have to be super bad to land a big name.

[D.o.s.]

Have to be.  There have to be more moves. There has to be another move.

Sorry, but it hurts my brain seeing this on the sidebar.

Anyway, there will probably be more moves. We hope.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I believe there will be more moves soon.

[LooseCannon]

Furthermore, my understanding is we could actually exceed the apron after the sign-and-trade if we want, but the sign-and-trade can't leave us over the apron.  It's a pretty silly rule in my opinion if that's how it works, but that's what the CBA FAQ implies.  That would allow us to use the taxpayer mid-level to bring in an additional free agent (my preference would be a point guard).

The second footnote to question 89 in the CBA FAQ says "Starting in 2013-14 if a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, the apron ($4 million above the tax line) effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season."

Also, the taxpayer MLE cannot be used if the team has received a player in a S&T (Q25).

[saltlover]

Furthermore, my understanding is we could actually exceed the apron after the sign-and-trade if we want, but the sign-and-trade can't leave us over the apron.  It's a pretty silly rule in my opinion if that's how it works, but that's what the CBA FAQ implies.  That would allow us to use the taxpayer mid-level to bring in an additional free agent (my preference would be a point guard).

The second footnote to question 89 in the CBA FAQ says "Starting in 2013-14 if a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, the apron ($4 million above the tax line) effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season."

Also, the taxpayer MLE cannot be used if the team has received a player in a S&T (Q25).

Thanks.  I missed that footnote, and had forgotten about the taxpayer's mid-level rule.  I knew it didn't make sense (and frankly don't know why it's in a footnote, since it's important).

So that means if you can sign Smith and Redick for closer to $20 million combined than $22 million, it's very doable, although I think they're going to cost a bit more.  Otherwise you need to move one of Lee or Crawford first, or have the cap come a little high.  It's within reach, however.  (Alternatively you can waive Lee with the stretch provision, but I'd rather have Lee than Redick and $2.3 million in dead cap space for seven years.)

[rondoallaturca]

We're heavy on SGs and PFs and thin on PGs and Cs. We have a few pieces that don't make a lot of sense on a rebuilding team, like Bass. Free agency has yet to begin, and with about four months to the next season, there's still plenty of time to make trades. Of course there are more moves.