Outside chance FA targets Al Jefferson or Josh Smith?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I know this is a bit far fetched, but just because something is far fetched doesn't mean it's impossible. At least that's my motto...

Anyways, do any of you believe there could be an outside chance that we may land any of these two during next off season?

What begins the thought process is that these two players have shown interest in wanting to return/play for the Celtics. I know we don't have cap space, etc., but the theory which allowed Danny Ainge to land Courtney Lee this year, proves that this is a doable proposition.

It's in this potential where I see the addition of Jordan Crawford could prove to be the beginning of Ainge adding some higher echelon impact players this offseason. It gives Ainge a higher incentive and willingness to use Lee and/or Terry in sign and trade proposals.

What's our bargaining power? Smith or Jefferson leaving their respective teams without any return.

What do we have to offer (not all inclusive mind you)?

Terry $5.225 million
Lee $5.225 million
Bass $6.75 million

That's a total of $17.2 million in outgoing salary, enough (or very close) to cover a max level contract by players that should become redundant and expendable in our roster.

Draft picks

Prospects: Bradley and/or Sullinger (you try to keep them of course)

Then we have Jeff Green, but I think you have to keep him to make these trades worthwhile, and for them to make sense for us.

All of the above players are skilled and at reasonable contracts, and after this season, only Green and Lee have anything longer than a 2 year contract, theirs being 3 (Green's being a player option).

I think any of the combinations above is a very good return for any team that would have them, the problem then becomes how much do the teams in question value their cap space. Then the question becomes how much do they value draft picks, and how much Danny Ainge values his draft picks. But I personally think they'd be getting plenty of value and tradeable assets which they could flip to something useful.

And remember, Josh Smith seems to really want to play with Rajon Rondo and has mentioned plenty of times how much he likes Celtics fans and the organization.

Also remember, Al Jefferson was the guy that after he was traded to Minnesota signed an extention to less his market value because he thought to himself he hadn't proved himself yet for a max deal.

So, too much of an irrational wishful thinking on my part? Too far-fetched? Or is this an actual real possibility?

There's certainly the possibility for minor trades that could help us win now, but now interested in swinging for the fences, with the idea that Ainge is still interested in competing beyond this year, and KG is around of course.

[krook]

I know this is a bit far fetched, but just because something is far fetched doesn't mean it's impossible. At least that's my motto...

Anyways, do any of you believe there could be an outside chance that we may land any of these two during next off season?

What begins the thought process is that these two players have shown interest in wanting to return/play for the Celtics. I know we don't have cap space, etc., but the theory which allowed Danny Ainge to land Courtney Lee this year, proves that this is a doable proposition.

It's in this potential where I see the addition of Jordan Crawford could prove to be the beginning of Ainge adding some higher echelon impact players this offseason. It gives Ainge a higher incentive and willingness to use Lee and/or Terry in sign and trade proposals.

What's our bargaining power? Smith or Jefferson leaving their respective teams without any return.

What do we have to offer (not all inclusive mind you)?

Terry $5.225 million
Lee $5.225 million
Bass $6.75 million

That's a total of $17.2 million in outgoing salary, enough (or very close) to cover a max level contract by players that should become redundant and expendable in our roster.

Draft picks

Prospects: Bradley and/or Sullinger (you try to keep them of course)

Then we have Jeff Green, but I think you have to keep him to make these trades worthwhile, and for them to make sense for us.

All of the above players are skilled and at reasonable contracts, and after this season, only Green and Lee have anything longer than a 2 year contract, theirs being 3 (Green's being a player option).

I think any of the combinations above is a very good return for any team that would have them, the problem then becomes how much do the teams in question value their cap space. Then the question becomes how much do they value draft picks, and how much Danny Ainge values his draft picks. But I personally think they'd be getting plenty of value and tradeable assets which they could flip to something useful.

And remember, Josh Smith seems to really want to play with Rajon Rondo and has mentioned plenty of times how much he likes Celtics fans and the organization.

Also remember, Al Jefferson was the guy that after he was traded to Minnesota signed an extention to less his market value because he thought to himself he hadn't proved himself yet for a max deal.

So, too much of an irrational wishful thinking on my part? Too far-fetched? Or is this an actual real possibility?

There's certainly the possibility for minor trades that could help us win now, but now interested in swinging for the fences, with the idea that Ainge is still interested in competing beyond this year, and KG is around of course.

JOSH SMITH?
not happening
even if you say,, you let go or lee bass terry
still the we are at hard cap
because of kg pierce rondo green

and if ever dallas offer a 16 a year, and brooklyn matched it to 17 then houston offers 18 a year... would danny offer more than 18?
if you offer smith 11 or 12 a year would he accept it?
still not happening

Paul Pierce
$16,790,345 (2012/2013)
$15,333,334(2013/2014)

Kevin Garnett    
$12,467,532 (2012/2013)
$11,532,468 (2013/2014
$12,000,000 (2014/2015)

Rajon Rondo    
$11,000,000 (2012/2013)
$12,000,000 (2013/2014)
$13,000,000 (2014/2015)

Jeff Green    
$8,385,000 (2012/2013)
$8,965,000 (2013/2014)
$9,445,000 (2014/2015)
$9,445,000 (2015/2016)

Avery Bradley    
$1,630,800 (2012/2013)
$2,511,432 (2013/2014)
$3,581,302 (2014/2015)

Jared Sullinger
$1,306,920 (2012/2013)
$1,365,720 (2013/2014)
$1,424,520 (2014/2015)   
$2,269,260 (2015/2016)
$3,270,003 (2016/2017)

Jordan Crawford    
$1,198,680 (2012/2013)
$2,162,418 (2013/2014)
$3,206,866 (2014/2015)   

Total For Next Year Is
$53,605,372

Which Is The hard Cap Is
$58 Million

Then Who Will We Replace For Terry Lee Bass?
A Player Who Gets 1.5million Per Year?
Or 885k Per Year? Or Less Than?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I know this is a bit far fetched, but just because something is far fetched doesn't mean it's impossible. At least that's my motto...

Anyways, do any of you believe there could be an outside chance that we may land any of these two during next off season?

What begins the thought process is that these two players have shown interest in wanting to return/play for the Celtics. I know we don't have cap space, etc., but the theory which allowed Danny Ainge to land Courtney Lee this year, proves that this is a doable proposition.

It's in this potential where I see the addition of Jordan Crawford could prove to be the beginning of Ainge adding some higher echelon impact players this offseason. It gives Ainge a higher incentive and willingness to use Lee and/or Terry in sign and trade proposals.

What's our bargaining power? Smith or Jefferson leaving their respective teams without any return.

What do we have to offer (not all inclusive mind you)?

Terry $5.225 million
Lee $5.225 million
Bass $6.75 million

That's a total of $17.2 million in outgoing salary, enough (or very close) to cover a max level contract by players that should become redundant and expendable in our roster.

Draft picks

Prospects: Bradley and/or Sullinger (you try to keep them of course)

Then we have Jeff Green, but I think you have to keep him to make these trades worthwhile, and for them to make sense for us.

All of the above players are skilled and at reasonable contracts, and after this season, only Green and Lee have anything longer than a 2 year contract, theirs being 3 (Green's being a player option).

I think any of the combinations above is a very good return for any team that would have them, the problem then becomes how much do the teams in question value their cap space. Then the question becomes how much do they value draft picks, and how much Danny Ainge values his draft picks. But I personally think they'd be getting plenty of value and tradeable assets which they could flip to something useful.

And remember, Josh Smith seems to really want to play with Rajon Rondo and has mentioned plenty of times how much he likes Celtics fans and the organization.

Also remember, Al Jefferson was the guy that after he was traded to Minnesota signed an extention to less his market value because he thought to himself he hadn't proved himself yet for a max deal.

So, too much of an irrational wishful thinking on my part? Too far-fetched? Or is this an actual real possibility?

There's certainly the possibility for minor trades that could help us win now, but now interested in swinging for the fences, with the idea that Ainge is still interested in competing beyond this year, and KG is around of course.

JOSH SMITH?
not happening
even if you say,, you let go or lee bass terry
still the we are at hard cap
because of kg pierce rondo green

and if ever dallas offer a 16 a year, and brooklyn matched it to 17 then houston offers 18 a year... would danny offer more than 18?
if you offer smith 11 or 12 a year would he accept it?
still not happening

Paul Pierce
$16,790,345 (2012/2013)
$15,333,334(2013/2014)

Kevin Garnett    
$12,467,532 (2012/2013)
$11,532,468 (2013/2014
$12,000,000 (2014/2015)

Rajon Rondo    
$11,000,000 (2012/2013)
$12,000,000 (2013/2014)
$13,000,000 (2014/2015)

Jeff Green    
$8,385,000 (2012/2013)
$8,965,000 (2013/2014)
$9,445,000 (2014/2015)
$9,445,000 (2015/2016)

Avery Bradley    
$1,630,800 (2012/2013)
$2,511,432 (2013/2014)
$3,581,302 (2014/2015)

Jared Sullinger
$1,306,920 (2012/2013)
$1,365,720 (2013/2014)
$1,424,520 (2014/2015)   
$2,269,260 (2015/2016)
$3,270,003 (2016/2017)

Jordan Crawford    
$1,198,680 (2012/2013)
$2,162,418 (2013/2014)
$3,206,866 (2014/2015)   

Total For Next Year Is
$53,605,372

Which Is The hard Cap Is
$58 Million

Then Who Will We Replace For Terry Lee Bass?
A Player Who Gets 1.5million Per Year?
Or 885k Per Year? Or Less Than?

Sorry, but the numbers you're using are completely inaccurate.

[krook]

oh, ^_^

[BudweiserCeltic]

The hard cap would certainly a concern, but the numbers you're using are just inaccurate.

This year's hard cap is around 74 million, next year should be higher. But your premise still remains true.

There should be plenty of room though.

[Celtics4ever]

Hard to say and depends who retires, right?  Maybe they change a contract to bring someone in, perhaps?  Can that be done?

[jdz101]

Offensive production wise, al Jeff is still a top 5 guy at his position. He won't want to take a pay cut, nor should he take one.

This means the Cs can't afford him.