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Celtics by Position
« on: August 10, 2012, 12:15:53 PM »

Offline ScoobyDoo

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How do the Celtics match up against their stiffest competition across the league and by position.

Point guard:
Rondo / Jet / Bradley / Dooling
* All four can "play" the point

Verdict: I'll take that rotation vs any team in the

Off Guard:
Lee / Bradley / Jet / Pierce
* All four can play the 2

Verdict: I'll take that rotation against any team in the league for two main reasons.

A) I think Bradley can play "that good of defense" on DWade
B) The same for Pierce on Kobe or Joe Johnson if needed
C) Lee is also a good defender

Small Forward:
Pierce / Green / Lee / Marquis? / Joseph? / Pietrus?

Verdict: The "combination" of Pierce and Jeff Green at this position is as good as anything the league has to offer

Power forward:

Bass / Wilcox / Sully / Green / KG when needed
Enough said - I'm good going up against all comers with this versatility at the PF spot

Center:
KG / Collins / Melo / Wilcox / Sully
Again, enough said: I'm good taking on anyone with this group of players.


Summary: If we stay healthy and gel, I think we have as good a shot as anyone to win a title this season - easily.

The only question remaining for me now is:

Do we use our BAE on more depth behind Pierce and Green with a guy like Pietrus if he'd take it.

Or do we try and target another big like Darko if he'd take the BAE?

I don't think we need to be in any hurry because we're actually deep at every position.

Some people think we need another Vet point but Rondo will take 35 to 38 minutes a night, if one of Bradley, jet or Dooling can't effectively cover the other 10-13 minutes I'm missing something...

This should turn out to be an awesome season of great competition with some real heavy hitting teams - the Celtics being one of them.

Thoughts?
 
   

Re: Celtics by Position
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2012, 12:22:43 PM »

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Our front line will be in so much trouble when we play the Lakers. Gasol + Dwight? We did not have enough quality players in the bigs position last year and unless the rookies turn out to be difference makers, we did nothing to improve on that. We got burned by the likes of Varejao and Gortat. If we can't even contain them, how in the world are we supposed to compete with the likes of Bynum, Howard, and Gasol?
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Re: Celtics by Position
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2012, 12:24:37 PM »

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The only problem that I have with this roster is that we are in 2010 territory: one freak injury away from having no NBA players to competently back up Pierce. It is a sticky wicket.

Re: Celtics by Position
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2012, 12:33:22 PM »

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So, if I'm reading you right, the Celtics are league-best at PG, SG, SF, PF, and C?

#18, here we come!


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Re: Celtics by Position
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2012, 12:34:26 PM »

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So, if I'm reading you right, the Celtics are league-best at PG, SG, SF, PF, and C?

#18, here we come!
Lol. We can all use some optimism every now and then  :P
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Re: Celtics by Position
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2012, 12:35:22 PM »

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So, if I'm reading you right, the Celtics are league-best at PG, SG, SF, PF, and C?

#18, here we come!
Lol. We can all use some optimism every now and then  :P

Yeah, it's better than the "the season is over before it started" reaction.

No matter what, it will be a fun team to watch.


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Re: Celtics by Position
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2012, 01:28:29 PM »

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Fantasyland is a fun place to visit at times. This is one of those times. Say what you will, but Mitch Kupchak made a nice deal putting the best center and one of the best point guards (despite his advanced age) together with Kobe and Pau. If they stay healthy they will be extremely difficult to beat.

Re: Celtics by Position
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2012, 01:42:28 PM »

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Fantasyland is a fun place to visit at times. This is one of those times.

  Give him credit. It makes better reading than the "the Celts aren't contenders" fantasyland posts we've been inundated with for the past few years.

Re: Celtics by Position
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 02:22:49 PM »

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Sometimes I wonder if people actually read the post - or just gloss over it and then fire away at the poster.

I never once said we are the best in the league at every position, I didn't even scare that comment.

What I did say was "I am comfortable" going up against any team at any position with the team we currently have in Boston - especially if Jeff Green is 100% healthy this season.

We could have injuries because we're old - so could every other title contending team. Bosh and Bynum are glass, Howard is coming off back surgery, Wade off Knee surgery coming off Knee surgery, Kobe and LeBron have a lot of hard miles on them for their ages, Nash is 38 and Pau 33 and showing real signs of slippage, far more than Pierce and Garnett.

I truly do not consider my post fantasy land, at all. But around mid season of last year I also thought we had a real shot at getting to the finals largely because of how gritty our current team is.

We were completely beat up AND exhausted from lack of depth last year and were one game away form the finals.

We're adding Lee, Bradley, Jet, Jeff Green, Wilcox, Sully and Collins to that "crap of a Boston team we saw play against Miami a couple months ago.

Yeah, we have absolutely no shot this year - none. Why don't I just stick my head in the sand now and call it a day. I'm sure that's what KG, Pierce and Rondo are doing - 100%.

Wade was guarded by a 37 year old Ray Allen with completely banged up ankles last year. Will his effectiveness being altered at all by having Courtney Lee and Bradley hawking him for 48? I would say very much so.

Will LeBron being affected at all by having a healthy Pierce and Jeff Green hawking him. Yes, it will be a much more difficult road for him.

How will Bosh react to getting hammered by Collins and Sully when KG isn't in. He hates contact.

My point was that I am completely comfortable with matching up against any team in the league - and I am.

I think Pierce and Green is a solid match up with LeBron or Durant.

Collins and KG a good one two punch on Howard.

Lets' see how close to the rim Pau Gasol can push the 280 pound Sullinger - when KG isn't hounding him

Lets' see how Kobe deoes with a combo of Lee, Bradley and Pierce hounding him - Green at SF is Pierce is on him.

Or how Nash will do getting hounded by Rondo and Bradley for 38 minutes.
Much like last year I think people greatly underestimate the heart and toughness of this Celtics team.

Likewise, I think people might be greatly underestimating exactly how deadly Rondo is going to be with all the new weapons he is now going to have on the floor with him.

An argument can be made that Rondo has every bit as much impact on games as Howard or Kobe, LeBron or Wade, Duratn or Westbrook and certainly Andrew Bynum.

In fact outside of LeBron, I'd argue he is #2 on that list. Howard can disappear - Rondo rarely does.

It's not who has the best players - it's who has the best team. And we have assembled a very compelling team in Boston. That is no fantasy.

Nah, no head in the sand for me. Not at all.   
       

Re: Celtics by Position
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 02:51:20 PM »

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Obviously we do not have the best players at every position in the NBA.  I don't think that is what the OP intended to say.

What we (meaning Danny) have assembled is a very deep team that matches up favorably with any other team in the league.  Clearly, I'd take Dwight/Pau over KG/Bass but with the guys we have on our bench (Collins, Wilcox) I don't think we are severely outmatched.  We are built to be able to withstand minor injuries during the reg season so that we can keep Paul and KG fresh come May and June.

No team in the NBA terrifies me.  Looking on a position by position basis, our guys can match up with any other team in the league.  We won't be at a huge disadvantage at any point (even looking at our weakest position- PF/C- against the best frontcourt in the league doesn't give the Lakers an insurmountable advantage) and we can put other teams at huge disadvantages with our excellent back-court.  Being able to play Lee, Pierce, or JG at 3 and Bass, Sully, JG, and KG at the 4 will create mismatches all over the place.

Likewise, I think people might be greatly underestimating exactly how deadly Rondo is going to be with all the new weapons he is now going to have on the floor with him.   

I don't think anyone (at least, no Celtics fan) is underestimating that.  This will be the first of many MVP races where Rondo will be right in the thick of it.  I think 14-12-5 avgs from Rajon this year are easily within reach.
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Re: Celtics by Position
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 03:47:54 PM »

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TP "Professor of Rondology" - the exact interpretation of my post.

Based on our depth - I feel we have a very good fighter's chance against any team in the league. And one of the things I like most which you pointed out and which I tried to present in my OP, was that we literally have 3-4 solid options at every position.

You want muscle at center - Collins and Sully
You want speed at center - KG and Wilcox

You want size at PF - KG, Sully and Wilcox
You want speed at PF - Bass and Green   

You want scoring and toughness at SF - Pierce
You want size and speed at SF - Green

You want size at OG - Pierce
You want Defense - Lee and Bradley

You want size and defense at point - Bradley with his length

You want offense at point - Jet
You want play making havoc at point - Rondo

Again, we still have the BAE so we might be able to add even more depth at center, SF or Point - whoever is the best we can get for the money...

This is a tough, gritty, very versatile and veteran team with a proven track record of getting it done when it matters most.

I personally think we will steam roll Miami this year.

WE have to have luck with injuries to do so. But everyone has to have luck with injuries to have a legit shot at the title.

I wonder how far Miami would have gotten last season with the number of injuries we sustained to key players.

Does anyone think thye would have been in the finals without:

Mario Chalmers: Bradley
Haslem > Wilcox
Joel Anthony > O'Neil
Battier > Jeff Green

And with LeBron banged up as bad as Pierce was?... 

I have a lot of confidence in this team - especially as reloaded as it is.