Can avery come back 100% the same this season?

[Who]

A dislocated shoulder really isn't something to be worried about long term.  I've had the surgery done myself, and with physical therapy, he should be back to 100%.

I'm skeptical we'll see 100% of what we saw last season, though.  I think Bradley was riding a huge hot streak; I'd be surprised if he can replicate 50% FG% / 40% 3PT% again.

id expect something closer to 43% fg%, 33% 3pt%  next year...

the thing is though playing with Pierce/kg/Rondo alot of players tend to up their FG% because of all the attention those guys get and the way they move the ball players tend to find themselves wide open.

I would expect Avery's FG% to be higher. He doesn't take many bad shots, only takes shots he is good at and creates a lot of layups (off cuts and in transition). I think he'll be up at least at 45% and has a good chance to be in that 47-48% range.

His corner three was looking a good shot for him too. Doesn't take many threes except from the corner. So I'd expect his 3FG% to be higher also. Say 36-37%. Something like that. I think he's got a decent chance of getting up into that 38-40% range too.

That is where I am expecting Avery's shooting percentages to be at next year. 

[tarheelsxxiii]

Roy, or others -
What do they actually do in surgery? It seems as though ligament damage would have long-term repercussions... loss of flexibility? strength? susceptibility to future injuries?

[lightspeed5]

I think he'll be fine as far as his health goes... I'm just not totally convinced he's going to be as good as most people on this forum think.  He had a nice streak... started a couple handfuls of games and everyone lost their minds.  It was mini Linsanity.  Lockout shortened season... teams weren't gameplanning.  He was something of an unknown.  Aggressive defender, but he's vastly undersized for a starting shooting guard and the jury is out on if he's a consistent shooter or not.

We'll see what happens.  Worst case scenario he's a strong defensive roleplayer off the bench that we can throw in there to cause troubles for other undersized guards.  I could see him starting... or I could see him 3rd string SG behind Lee and Terry.

terry isnt a shooting guard, so stop with that

[Fafnir]

I think he'll be fine as far as his health goes... I'm just not totally convinced he's going to be as good as most people on this forum think.  He had a nice streak... started a couple handfuls of games and everyone lost their minds.  It was mini Linsanity.  Lockout shortened season... teams weren't gameplanning.  He was something of an unknown.  Aggressive defender, but he's vastly undersized for a starting shooting guard and the jury is out on if he's a consistent shooter or not.

We'll see what happens.  Worst case scenario he's a strong defensive roleplayer off the bench that we can throw in there to cause troubles for other undersized guards.  I could see him starting... or I could see him 3rd string SG behind Lee and Terry.

terry isnt a shooting guard, so stop with that

He's played SG for the past 2 or 3 years for almost all of his minutes.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I think he'll be fine as far as his health goes... I'm just not totally convinced he's going to be as good as most people on this forum think.  He had a nice streak... started a couple handfuls of games and everyone lost their minds.  It was mini Linsanity.  Lockout shortened season... teams weren't gameplanning.  He was something of an unknown.  Aggressive defender, but he's vastly undersized for a starting shooting guard and the jury is out on if he's a consistent shooter or not.

We'll see what happens.  Worst case scenario he's a strong defensive roleplayer off the bench that we can throw in there to cause troubles for other undersized guards.  I could see him starting... or I could see him 3rd string SG behind Lee and Terry.

terry isnt a shooting guard, so stop with that

Right. Hence the term "combo guard" - the category we've placed some of the greatest players of all-time in...

And Avery has a leg up as a combo in adjustment to the NBA game - he can defend far bigger players at an elite level.

[lightspeed5]

I think he'll be fine as far as his health goes... I'm just not totally convinced he's going to be as good as most people on this forum think.  He had a nice streak... started a couple handfuls of games and everyone lost their minds.  It was mini Linsanity.  Lockout shortened season... teams weren't gameplanning.  He was something of an unknown.  Aggressive defender, but he's vastly undersized for a starting shooting guard and the jury is out on if he's a consistent shooter or not.

We'll see what happens.  Worst case scenario he's a strong defensive roleplayer off the bench that we can throw in there to cause troubles for other undersized guards.  I could see him starting... or I could see him 3rd string SG behind Lee and Terry.

terry isnt a shooting guard, so stop with that

He's played SG for the past 2 or 3 years for almost all of his minutes.

theres no sg clog. avery starts and terry and lee come off the bench at the same time. not hard.

[BballTim]

I think he'll be fine as far as his health goes... I'm just not totally convinced he's going to be as good as most people on this forum think.  He had a nice streak... started a couple handfuls of games and everyone lost their minds.  It was mini Linsanity.  Lockout shortened season... teams weren't gameplanning.  He was something of an unknown.  Aggressive defender, but he's vastly undersized for a starting shooting guard and the jury is out on if he's a consistent shooter or not.

  It's true that the jury's still out on whether he'll be a consistent shooter or not, but he's a young player who improved and whose confidence grew over the course of the season. Players like that maintaining that level of play are far from unusual.

We'll see what happens.  Worst case scenario he's a strong defensive roleplayer off the bench that we can throw in there to cause troubles for other undersized guards.  I could see him starting... or I could see him 3rd string SG behind Lee and Terry.

  If you're going to say things like "everyone lost their minds" or "mini Linsanity" to describe your fellow posters you could at least, well, disagree with them. You have plenty of posts about ridiculous people are for expecting Bradley to play next year like he played at the end of last year, and end a fair amount of those posts with a variation of "but I have no idea what will happen, they may very well be right". Pick a side.

[MJohnnyboy]

I do believe that with Avery Bradley at 100%, he will be the team's starting shooting guard. He is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league whose offense was starting to blossom last season. He has shown he can hit open jumpers and make good cuts to the basket (and considering Rondos the one running the offense, that'll make scoring all the easier for Bradley). He was one of the biggest reasons why we had the best starting five in overall efficiency in 2012 (No one could score on us last season with him at the 2). We also saw how Bradley plays much better with the starters than with the bench, so putting him in a bench role would not be fitting for him. Overall, Bradley is who I want as our starting 2.

HAVING SAID THAT, the Jason Terry & Courtney Lee acquisitions, plus the re-signing of Keyon Dooling, makes Bradley's absence all the easier to swallow. The Celtics can comfortably take their time with Bradley's return to the team because those three can take his minutes and fill in for him well. Make no mistake, Bradley should be our 2, but we don't need to rush him back. I think the Celtics will let Bradley recover for however long he needs to, and not need to rush him back.

[cman88]

I dont get why everyone suddely expects Bradley to forget how to shoot...scouts said he had one of the purest jumpshots in the draft...its all confidence. Even before Bradley emerged offensively Doc said that in Practices he had a pretty jumper.

that being said, Terry is a combo guard...doc has already said he plans to play Terry with Bradley/Lee at the same time.

[csfansince60s]

He still has to hold his ground and fight through moving bodies on defense best believe he's going to get screened the s*** out of too on both shoulders when he's draped all over a guy. 

I say give him all the time he needs even if he returns sometime midsesason we really need him for the playoffs and if there's set backs he could be in and out. It all depends how quick a healer he is.
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j804, Agree completely.

While I think that physically he can come back 100% (he has youth on his side), the real issue is can he stay at 100%.

If I recall correctly at least one if not both shoulder injuries occurred as AB was running into/fighting thru screens, which along with his speed and lateral quickness is what makes him a great defender.

He's gotta learn how to deflect/avoid that contact better while still being the honey badger (is that what we called him?)

[guava_wrench]

I think he will be fine physically, but zero basketball activity for a few months could mean some poor shooting early on.

What kind of physical activity can someone in his condition do to keep in shape? Stationary bike?

[LarBrd33]

I think he'll be fine as far as his health goes... I'm just not totally convinced he's going to be as good as most people on this forum think.  He had a nice streak... started a couple handfuls of games and everyone lost their minds.  It was mini Linsanity.  Lockout shortened season... teams weren't gameplanning.  He was something of an unknown.  Aggressive defender, but he's vastly undersized for a starting shooting guard and the jury is out on if he's a consistent shooter or not.

  It's true that the jury's still out on whether he'll be a consistent shooter or not, but he's a young player who improved and whose confidence grew over the course of the season. Players like that maintaining that level of play are far from unusual.

We'll see what happens.  Worst case scenario he's a strong defensive roleplayer off the bench that we can throw in there to cause troubles for other undersized guards.  I could see him starting... or I could see him 3rd string SG behind Lee and Terry.

  If you're going to say things like "everyone lost their minds" or "mini Linsanity" to describe your fellow posters you could at least, well, disagree with them. You have plenty of posts about ridiculous people are for expecting Bradley to play next year like he played at the end of last year, and end a fair amount of those posts with a variation of "but I have no idea what will happen, they may very well be right". Pick a side.

I think it's clear I disagree with the majority of this forum in how I saw Avery Bradley's 2011-12 performance.  That doesn't mean I can predict the future.  I just didn't get carried away with some streaky shooting during the tail end of a lockout shortened season. 

I wouldn't be totally shocked to see Bradley end up being a solid starting guard (since the vast majority of this forum believes he will)... I also wouldn't be shocked to see him end up 3rd string shooting guard behind Terry and Lee.   Also wouldn't be shocked to see Boston start Jeff Green at SF in the near future and throw the entire roster out of whack.  Who knows at this point.

I was impressed with Avery Bradley's play from 3/25 until the end of the regular season (4/26) ...   That's a solid month of basketball right there.  Not enough to get carried away with.  I've seen these kind of streaks before and I've been burned by getting my hopes up.  Right now, I still see Bradley as a young roleplaying undersized defender.  Hope he proves me wrong and you right.     

[BballTim]

I think he'll be fine as far as his health goes... I'm just not totally convinced he's going to be as good as most people on this forum think.  He had a nice streak... started a couple handfuls of games and everyone lost their minds.  It was mini Linsanity.  Lockout shortened season... teams weren't gameplanning.  He was something of an unknown.  Aggressive defender, but he's vastly undersized for a starting shooting guard and the jury is out on if he's a consistent shooter or not.

  It's true that the jury's still out on whether he'll be a consistent shooter or not, but he's a young player who improved and whose confidence grew over the course of the season. Players like that maintaining that level of play are far from unusual.

We'll see what happens.  Worst case scenario he's a strong defensive roleplayer off the bench that we can throw in there to cause troubles for other undersized guards.  I could see him starting... or I could see him 3rd string SG behind Lee and Terry.

  If you're going to say things like "everyone lost their minds" or "mini Linsanity" to describe your fellow posters you could at least, well, disagree with them. You have plenty of posts about ridiculous people are for expecting Bradley to play next year like he played at the end of last year, and end a fair amount of those posts with a variation of "but I have no idea what will happen, they may very well be right". Pick a side.

I think it's clear I disagree with the majority of this forum in how I saw Avery Bradley's 2011-12 performance.  That doesn't mean I can predict the future.  I just didn't get carried away with some streaky shooting during the tail end of a lockout shortened season. 

  When you say you disagree with the majority of this forum in how I saw Avery Bradley's 2011-12 performance, do you mean that you don't think that he played well, or that you don't think that the team played well with him starting in the backcourt? All I really see you disagreeing with is whether he'll continue to play at that level, and even then you're not disagreeing with anyone because you don't claim to have any idea how well he'll do going forward.

[Roy H.]

Roy, or others -
What do they actually do in surgery? It seems as though ligament damage would have long-term repercussions... loss of flexibility? strength? susceptibility to future injuries?

I don't know the specifics on Avery's dislocation, but essentially, a shoulder dislocates because the tendons / ligaments around the joint become loose, and can't support the shoulder joint.  So, they stitch the torn connective tissue back together and basically wind it up.

With me, pain went away after...  I don't know, a week maybe?  I was in a sling for a total of 6 weeks, I think.  In terms of flexibility, I'm 100% back to where I was, although a slight loss is a possible side effect.  My strength hasn't returned, but that's mostly because I made almost no effort to re-strengthen the joint through PT and weight training.  Supposedly, post-surgery the joint should be as good as new in terms of susceptibility to future injuries.

[LooseCannon]

If I were gameplanning against Avery Bradley, my goal would be to make him hit the floor as much as possible to see how his shoulders hold up when he braces for impact.