What is LeBron James?

[Django]

LeBron James is like the guy in school with the highest IQ by far, but still cheats and takes shortcuts to become valedictorian . 
Joining his individual biggest conference rival permanently tarnished James in my eyes. This is from someone who was lucky enough to watch LeBron from the second he became a pro (Boston summer league) and has seen him over a dozen times in person).  He's got the most physical gifts any NBA player has ever had, but couldn't achieve the ultimate goal in his sport until he conspired with Wade and Bosh at the Olympics to create the easiest path to that goal.  That's why I can't respect him.     

And Pierce was asking for a trade unless the Celtics put star players around him. Kobe was asking for a trade unless they traded for another star (He wanted Jason Kidd who took the Nets to back to back Finals appearances)

Its easy to say....They conspired this back in 08. But do we REALLY KNOW? These guys played multiple all star games as well, stay connected throughout the season....why couldnt they have done it then?

Honestly the whole conspiracy stuff is just a little over done.

Yes it was disappointing that LeBron joined Wade.......Because it hurt our chances to win a championship! Thats it.

People mention on here all the time....

Wouldnt it have been great if KG joined Pierce while they were  in their prime? People are just upset cause they actually did it. (Well....Wade is on the downside)

Imagine if LeBron/Bosh joined the Bulls...which was a distinct possibility and an even better fit.

It would have been even tougher for the next few years (assuming Rose never injures his knee). A healthy Rose is better than DWADE now. Thibs is a better coach that Spo. The Bulls would have a legit dynasty set up. While the Heat are just a possibility but nothing for sure.

Be glad he did join a non 2nd round making (since 06), injury riddled, slowing down DWADE than joining a young up an comer in DROSE.

You mention Wade as his biggest individual rival. Wade couldnt get out of the 1st round of the playoffs since 06 until LeBron showed up (and Bosh).

[Django]

Nice.

For me, LeBron is the best all around talent the NBA has ever seen but the worst mentally tough superstar.

Besides 3 games against the Mavs...

And game 5 against us, how is he the "Worst Mentally Tough Superstar? "

His teams were always overwhelmed by other teams that had other stars. Was he mentally weak against us in 08? Was he mentally weak against us 2011 and 2012?

I swear the media has us all confused. Im not saying he's the Mentally Toughest out there.....but weakest? C'mon now.

Yea. That KG guy should have never came to Boston. They had Pierce and just traded for Ray Allen. KG shouldnt join up with those guys. He should have got traded to a team with less star players.

Yes the Cavs had the best regular season record. You know who had it the last two years?? The Bulls...how'd that work out for them? Or the Spurs in the west...how'd that work out for them?

The 08 Celtics are the last team to dominate the regular season and then win the championship. Hell, our C's have practically took the regular season off for a season or two just to be ready for the playoffs.

Shaq and the Lakers did it all the time.....Even at KG's expense one time. Regular season record means nothing.

He had to join force with two superstars to get a chip. For me that means he has weak mental toughness. He can't will himself to win unless he has superstar help. His Cleveland teams had the best record in the NBA and couldn't get over the hump. He's the best player in the world and he needed superstar level help to win? That's just me.

[chambers]

Nice.

For me, LeBron is the best all around talent the NBA has ever seen but the worst mentally tough superstar.

Besides 3 games against the Mavs...

And game 5 against us, how is he the "Worst Mentally Tough Superstar? "

His teams were always overwhelmed by other teams that had other stars. Was he mentally weak against us in 08? Was he mentally weak against us 2011 and 2012?

I swear the media has us all confused. Im not saying he's the Mentally Toughest out there.....but weakest? C'mon now.

He had to join force with two superstars to get a chip. For me that means he has weak mental toughness. He can't will himself to win unless he has superstar help. His Cleveland teams had the best record in the NBA and couldn't get over the hump. He's the best player in the world and he needed superstar level help to win? That's just me.

Doesn't make sense, especially from a Celtics fan's point of view. Look at our big 3. Pierce and KG were still in their prime. Pierce was MVP of the finals for gods sake, KG, Ray and Pierce were all All Stars.

Jordan had Pippen. Malone had Stockton. Duncan had Parker, Ginobli, Robinson.

The list goes on.
Wade had Shaq, Kobe had Shaq, Shaq had Wade, Kobe, Lebron...

Easy to point fingers but the reality is we created this monster. It's 2 great players and one good fringe All Star in Bosh. The rest are great role players.
That's about it.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Nice.

For me, LeBron is the best all around talent the NBA has ever seen but the worst mentally tough superstar.

Besides 3 games against the Mavs...

And game 5 against us, how is he the "Worst Mentally Tough Superstar? "

His teams were always overwhelmed by other teams that had other stars. Was he mentally weak against us in 08? Was he mentally weak against us 2011 and 2012?

I swear the media has us all confused. Im not saying he's the Mentally Toughest out there.....but weakest? C'mon now.

He had to join force with two superstars to get a chip. For me that means he has weak mental toughness. He can't will himself to win unless he has superstar help. His Cleveland teams had the best record in the NBA and couldn't get over the hump. He's the best player in the world and he needed superstar level help to win? That's just me.

Doesn't make sense, especially from a Celtics fan's point of view. Look at our big 3. Pierce and KG were still in their prime. Pierce was MVP of the finals for gods sake, KG, Ray and Pierce were all All Stars.

Jordan had Pippen. Malone had Stockton. Duncan had Parker, Ginobli, Robinson.

The list goes on.
Wade had Shaq, Kobe had Shaq, Shaq had Wade, Kobe, Lebron...

Easy to point fingers but the reality is we created this monster. It's 2 great players and one good fringe All Star in Bosh. The rest are great role players.
That's about it.

Yeah but those names you mentioned didn't come in as FA together on one team. Our big three came at the expense of Jeff Green, who we have back, Big Al, who's very solid and a lot more players. It's not like they talked and joined together.

But I get your point though...

[chambers]

Nice.

For me, LeBron is the best all around talent the NBA has ever seen but the worst mentally tough superstar.

Besides 3 games against the Mavs...

And game 5 against us, how is he the "Worst Mentally Tough Superstar? "

His teams were always overwhelmed by other teams that had other stars. Was he mentally weak against us in 08? Was he mentally weak against us 2011 and 2012?

I swear the media has us all confused. Im not saying he's the Mentally Toughest out there.....but weakest? C'mon now.

He had to join force with two superstars to get a chip. For me that means he has weak mental toughness. He can't will himself to win unless he has superstar help. His Cleveland teams had the best record in the NBA and couldn't get over the hump. He's the best player in the world and he needed superstar level help to win? That's just me.

Doesn't make sense, especially from a Celtics fan's point of view. Look at our big 3. Pierce and KG were still in their prime. Pierce was MVP of the finals for gods sake, KG, Ray and Pierce were all All Stars.

Jordan had Pippen. Malone had Stockton. Duncan had Parker, Ginobli, Robinson.

The list goes on.
Wade had Shaq, Kobe had Shaq, Shaq had Wade, Kobe, Lebron...

Easy to point fingers but the reality is we created this monster. It's 2 great players and one good fringe All Star in Bosh. The rest are great role players.
That's about it.

Yeah but those names you mentioned didn't come in as FA together on one team. Our big three came at the expense of Jeff Green, who we have back, Big Al, who's very solid and a lot more players. It's not like they talked and joined together.

But I get your point though...

They weren't free agents, but KG refused to come until Ray Allen signed up. Pierce wanted to be traded and then they brought KG and Ray. They needed each other to win. No one calls out KG or Ray or Pierce...
They came together because they wanted to, it just happened via trade. Danny was smart enough to entice them to play together, just as Riley was smart enough to entice the Miami duo/trio to join up.
I hate the way Lebron left Cleveland, without assets, it was immature and perhaps childish- but he hated Dan Gilbert for one reason or another and wanted to stick it to him I guess.
he served Cleveland for 8 years and went where he wanted to go.

[SHAQATTACK]

He is a LAKER playing on the EAST COAST.

[celticsleyte]

How would the world feel about Lebron if he went back to Cleveland as a free agent while he is still in his prime?

[Django]

How would the world feel about Lebron if he went back to Cleveland as a free agent while he is still in his prime?

Its actually scary.

They are on the verge of trading for Bynum. You add him with Kyrie Irving, Waiters, Thompson? Thats some talent..

LeBron makes them great in 2014 if he signs there.

However, the Cavs may be so good....they might not even want him back. (Cavs fans and management)

[Moranis]

How would the world feel about Lebron if he went back to Cleveland as a free agent while he is still in his prime?

Its actually scary.

They are on the verge of trading for Bynum. You add him with Kyrie Irving, Waiters, Thompson? Thats some talent..

LeBron makes them great in 2014 if he signs there.

However, the Cavs may be so good....they might not even want him back. (Cavs fans and management)

Don't be silly.  If the best player in the world wants to play for you you do whatever you can to bring him aboard.  Even if that same player snubbed your publicly in the past.

[CFAN38]

To me Lebron James is the physically ideal basketball player. Where his physical abilities are the greatest ever , his skill set is at an allstar level and his mental toughness is average. His pure physical ability just puts him at a different level.

Watching USA vs Brazil the other night I found myself thinking that Brazil was going to keep it a game because of the physical nature of international ball and USA cold shooting. When Lebron subed in drove the middle of the lane and just about ran over Nene I realized how fare above other athletes he is.