RA is better than all FA SG - Period

[rutzan]

Ray Allen
July 20, 1975
2011- 2012
FG - .458
3PT - .453
FT - .915
REB – 3.1
ASST – 2.4

Jason Terry
Sept 15, 1977
2011 - 2012
FG - .430
3PT - .378
FT - .883
REB – 2.4
ASST – 3.6

OJ Mayo
Nov 5, 1987
2011 – 2012
FG - .408
3PT - .364
FT - .773
REB – 3.2
ASST – 2.6

Nick Young
July 1, 1985
2011 – 2012
FG – .403
3PT – .365
FT – .852
REB – 2.1
ASST – 0.9

Jamal Crawford
March 20, 1980
FG - .384
3PT - .308
FT - .927
REB - 2.0
ASST - 3.2

regardless of age...RA is the best and it would be a steal to keep him...

and don't tell me these guys are world-beaters on the defensive end because they are not...

oh...did we forget to mention team chemistry, continuity and leadership...

oh...did we forget to mention the MLE...

this is not even a debate...go get him Danny!

[anthony83]

I've been saying this for 2 years, no discussion, just look at Miami, Ray remains a top in the league, the best shooting guard.

I think Ray Allen is undervalued, when Ray was going then we will realize and will miss him, nothing more.

[GrandTheftRondo]

I said this during the all-star break amidst all the trade rumors. Never understood who anyone thought we would be able to get that would be better or even equal to Ray Allen.

[wdleehi]

Agreed.

[chambers]

It's also about OJ's potential. He's been hindered coming off the bench on the Memphis squad and doesn't get the ball in his hands enough.
Ray can't run the floor with Rondo- and he certainly can't defend the elite NBA 2 guards for 35 minutes a game anymore, regardless of his injury situation.

The argument for Terry and Mayo is that they can both create their own shot, whereas Ray needs open looks and picks and curls. Basically Ray needs an extra 7-10 seconds of shot clock time to get one look.
I love Ray and he's hands down a hall of famer- Ray in his prime dumps all over all these guys, but Terry is always reliable in the playoffs, and still has his athleticism for the most part, whilst Mayo has the speed and athleticism or 'youth infusion' that this team needs off the bench moving forward.

[wdleehi]

It's also about OJ's potential. He's been hindered coming off the bench on the Memphis squad and doesn't get the ball in his hands enough.
Ray can't run the floor with Rondo- and he certainly can't defend the elite NBA 2 guards for 35 minutes a game anymore, regardless of his injury situation.

The argument for Terry and Mayo is that they can both create their own shot, whereas Ray needs open looks and picks and curls. Basically Ray needs an extra 7-10 seconds of shot clock time to get one look.
I love Ray and he's hands down a hall of famer- Ray in his prime dumps all over all these guys, but Terry is always reliable in the playoffs, and still has his athleticism for the most part, whilst Mayo has the speed and athleticism or 'youth infusion' that this team needs off the bench moving forward.

How is Mayo going to get the ball in his hands more often in Boston? 


He would be 4th in line behind Rondo, Pierce and KG. 



He is really good at the pick and roll, but do you see the Celtics taking the ball out of Rondo's or Pierce's hands for Mayo? 




Not to mention, his game is regressing. 

[Change]

I dread the day Ray leaves. The team as is has Spacing problem. Can't imagine what the offense will be like without Ray. I'll take Ray 25-30 minutes everyday.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

It's also about OJ's potential. He's been hindered coming off the bench on the Memphis squad and doesn't get the ball in his hands enough.
Ray can't run the floor with Rondo- and he certainly can't defend the elite NBA 2 guards for 35 minutes a game anymore, regardless of his injury situation.

The argument for Terry and Mayo is that they can both create their own shot, whereas Ray needs open looks and picks and curls. Basically Ray needs an extra 7-10 seconds of shot clock time to get one look.
I love Ray and he's hands down a hall of famer- Ray in his prime dumps all over all these guys, but Terry is always reliable in the playoffs, and still has his athleticism for the most part, whilst Mayo has the speed and athleticism or 'youth infusion' that this team needs off the bench moving forward.

How is Mayo going to get the ball in his hands more often in Boston? 


He would be 4th in line behind Rondo, Pierce and KG. 



He is really good at the pick and roll, but do you see the Celtics taking the ball out of Rondo's or Pierce's hands for Mayo? 




Not to mention, his game is regressing. 

LOL at the last remark, that something you say to a 36 year old guard.

[wdleehi]

It's also about OJ's potential. He's been hindered coming off the bench on the Memphis squad and doesn't get the ball in his hands enough.
Ray can't run the floor with Rondo- and he certainly can't defend the elite NBA 2 guards for 35 minutes a game anymore, regardless of his injury situation.

The argument for Terry and Mayo is that they can both create their own shot, whereas Ray needs open looks and picks and curls. Basically Ray needs an extra 7-10 seconds of shot clock time to get one look.
I love Ray and he's hands down a hall of famer- Ray in his prime dumps all over all these guys, but Terry is always reliable in the playoffs, and still has his athleticism for the most part, whilst Mayo has the speed and athleticism or 'youth infusion' that this team needs off the bench moving forward.

How is Mayo going to get the ball in his hands more often in Boston? 


He would be 4th in line behind Rondo, Pierce and KG. 



He is really good at the pick and roll, but do you see the Celtics taking the ball out of Rondo's or Pierce's hands for Mayo? 




Not to mention, his game is regressing. 

LOL at the last remark, that something you say to a 36 year old guard.

Which is why you stay away from giving the big contract to the young guy you say that about.

[gar]

Miami probably talking up the drive to get Allen just to push his price up for Boston and make us think that he is indispensable. What is clear is that if he goes to Miami he is going to get a lot of open looks.

We need to keep him from Miami as much as anything. If we can get Green and Sullinger/Bass established as scorers for the second unit he will be much more effective for us off the bench.

[j804]

I dread the day Ray leaves. The team as is has Spacing problem. Can't imagine what the offense will be like without Ray. I'll take Ray 25-30 minutes everyday.

Agreed and Ray could be in a month long slump but no matter what you HAVE to guard him

[MBunge]

The OJ Mayo of his first two years in the league would clearly be better than the Ray Allen we get next season.  I don't think either Young, Terry or Crawford can possibly be better choices that Ray, so let's just focus on Mayo.

Mayo isn't nearly as good a shooter as Ray, but the main advantage to bringing him in is that he would force Boston to change its offense.  We wouldn't be running Mayo off multiple screens to get open.  He'd play a lot more like Bradley, with the addition of being a much better one-on-one scorer.

And for all the things Ray adds to the team, the main advantage to keeping him is he'll sign for 2 or 3 years while Mayo Young or even Crawford would demand a 5 year deal.  That would allow Ainge to clear the decks again for a quick rebuild, something a longer and more expensive contract for Mayo would hamper.

Mike

[j804]

Ray will also as he put it before have a new set of wheels. 

[JOMVP]

I dont agree with this anymore. Ray might be the best shooting out of those options at this point, sure, he knocks down three's at a still impressive rate. People are missing out on the fact that Ray takes 18 seconds to get open, most of the time that still doesnt lead to a good look. He can't drive or create his own shot anymore. He is a horrible ball handler, and doesnt finish around the rim well.

If Paul Pierce was still that guy who could just drive at will, then Ray's role is still fine, but with Pierce slowing down we need another guy out on the floor with him that can make their own shot, drive to the basket, and knock down shots as well.

Lou Williams or OJ Mayo at the right price is the right guy for this team now.