Renouncing Our Free Agents

[stylo617617]

Can we bring players our players back after we renounce them?

if so dosent it make sence to renounce them all & bring them back then? that way we can bring some other players from the outside to help us retool

it sounds like danny wont do that , meaning yeah we'll have KG,Green & maybe bass back but thats pretty much our offseason we wont be in play for guys like asik,mayo,beasley & other intesting young pieces without the flexibilty of renouncing our free agents not saying i think we'll get ALL THREE of those guys maybe at least one you know? i really thought 1 more scorer just one more wouldve helped us get past the heat

[JSD]

Why renounce a player just to re-sign him without Bird-Rights? I don't understand your logic.

[Fafnir]

Why renounce a player just to re-sign him without Bird-Rights? I don't understand your logic.

Depending on the timing of certain trades or other signings it could happen, though I doubt it.

[stylo617617]

well my logic is we'll have alot of cap space anyway the only players we REALLY want back is KG & Jeff cant we just sign them with our cap space & sign 1 other  GOOD piece & THEN sign the complimentary players with the 2.5 mill exception & the vet min after that?
if we use bird rights our cap holds will take away almost all our cap & we'll be in the same boat next year no impact players & on top of that almost all the good veteran FA's are going to the thunder or heat anyway we have no advantages to offer BUT our cap space

i like bass but i wouldnt wanna sign him long term he's as good as his jumpshot on any given night rather have jeff play the 4 & sign a bench wing player to replace ray allen or a center like asik to replace perk since i read kg dosent wanna play the 5 anymore
but thats me i may have a misuderstanding of cap hold,space etc its all confusing im better off just seeing what happens lol
 

[LooseCannon]

If you renounce a player, you can still sign that player using cap space or whatever exception you have available, including the veteran's minimum exception.

Renouncing everyone and using cap space means you lose the full MLE and the biannual exception, so it only makes sense to renounce players if you are going to sign a player to a contract larger than the MLE.  If, for example, you re-sign KG and renounce everyone else so you have just enough room to sign one free agent, you are effectively trading whoever you could have brought back among Bass, Green, and Allen (and Krstic, I suppose) plus whatever you could have gotten for $5m/year with the MLE for that one player.

[snively]

If you renounce a player, you can still sign that player using cap space or whatever exception you have available, including the veteran's minimum exception.

Renouncing everyone and using cap space means you lose the full MLE and the biannual exception, so it only makes sense to renounce players if you are going to sign a player to a contract larger than the MLE.  If, for example, you re-sign KG and renounce everyone else so you have just enough room to sign one free agent, you are effectively trading whoever you could have brought back among Bass, Green, and Allen (and Krstic, I suppose) plus whatever you could have gotten for $5m/year with the MLE for that one player.

Or if you want to trade for a player using cap space.

[LooseCannon]

Yes, or that.  But then, it would probably become an effective trade of Bass/Green/Allen plus at least one trade asset such as a draft pick or JaJuan Johnson for whatever you get in return.

[mctyson]

Can we bring players our players back after we renounce them?

It makes it incredibly difficult to build a roster this way.  If we renounce all our players, we free up maybe $25M in cap space.  If we spend any of that on other teams free agents, we then only have whatever cap space remains left over plus our exceptions to sign our guys.

Bird Rights can almost be thought of as semi-restricting a free agent, in the sense that you can offer just as much money to your player as any other team because you can exceed the cap.  It's like a matching offer.

[droopdog7]

I know people keep trying to find ways to circumvent the salary cap (and cap holds) but basically, if you can thought of it, you can bet that the NBA has already thought of it (and closed it).

So basically, we'll see how much actual cap space we have once we (and KG) decides the direction we want to take.  In the end, signing KG and Green probably won't leave a lot of money left over.  So we'll have to ask ourseleves whether we want to use whatever is left to sign someone who currently is not on our team (only by renouncing everyone else or if they sign elsewhere) OR just resign as many holdovers as possible using Bird rights).