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Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2012, 05:57:19 PM »

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Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2012, 06:04:48 PM »

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We have one and for the future and his name is Stiesma. Have you not watched the 2nd half of the season?

I know he is not as effective in the playoffs, bc this is his first, plus he is prob not 100 percent and has a nagging small injury.

I agree that Steimsma should be a long term member of the celtics. However I don't think he is an effective enough man defender to be a 30+min starting caliber guy.

the reality is , you can't have an all star at every position. For some position it is ok to have a guy like Stiesma, Hollins to share minutes on top of sharing minutes with wilcox and kg to make out the centre role.

The way the celtics team that is built for the future, it will be a very bad mix to bring in a Al Jefferson, Al Horfod, Roy Hibbert type of centres. And guys like Chandler and Noah are way too expensive. We need guys who can run, block shots, play defense and do the little things. And these guys will do these things. Best thing is we will be a hard team to drive against almost all game, since these two love to block shots. On bonus they will sign cheap. Its more than sufficient.

Its the pf and SF for the future i worry about. Not sold on Jeff Green and there is really nobody as of now to replace KG.



Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2012, 07:00:15 PM »

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We have one and for the future and his name is Stiesma. Have you not watched the 2nd half of the season?

I know he is not as effective in the playoffs, bc this is his first, plus he is prob not 100 percent and has a nagging small injury.

I agree that Steimsma should be a long term member of the celtics. However I don't think he is an effective enough man defender to be a 30+min starting caliber guy.

the reality is , you can't have an all star at every position. For some position it is ok to have a guy like Stiesma, Hollins to share minutes on top of sharing minutes with wilcox and kg to make out the centre role.

The way the celtics team that is built for the future, it will be a very bad mix to bring in a Al Jefferson, Al Horfod, Roy Hibbert type of centres. And guys like Chandler and Noah are way too expensive. We need guys who can run, block shots, play defense and do the little things. And these guys will do these things. Best thing is we will be a hard team to drive against almost all game, since these two love to block shots. On bonus they will sign cheap. Its more than sufficient.

Its the pf and SF for the future i worry about. Not sold on Jeff Green and there is really nobody as of now to replace KG.



I do not at all agree that Steamer has earned a long-term spot on this team.

He has been an absolute nonentity in the playoffs, and his minutes should be going to Hollins.

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Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2012, 07:35:21 PM »

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We have one and for the future and his name is Stiesma. Have you not watched the 2nd half of the season?

I know he is not as effective in the playoffs, bc this is his first, plus he is prob not 100 percent and has a nagging small injury.

I agree that Steimsma should be a long term member of the celtics. However I don't think he is an effective enough man defender to be a 30+min starting caliber guy.

the reality is , you can't have an all star at every position. For some position it is ok to have a guy like Stiesma, Hollins to share minutes on top of sharing minutes with wilcox and kg to make out the centre role.

The way the celtics team that is built for the future, it will be a very bad mix to bring in a Al Jefferson, Al Horfod, Roy Hibbert type of centres. And guys like Chandler and Noah are way too expensive. We need guys who can run, block shots, play defense and do the little things. And these guys will do these things. Best thing is we will be a hard team to drive against almost all game, since these two love to block shots. On bonus they will sign cheap. Its more than sufficient.

Its the pf and SF for the future i worry about. Not sold on Jeff Green and there is really nobody as of now to replace KG.



I do not at all agree that Steamer has earned a long-term spot on this team.

He has been an absolute nonentity in the playoffs, and his minutes should be going to Hollins.

Ready to move on from Steamer.

Like i stated its like his first year in the league , plus he is prob not 100 percent healthy.

So you will give up on him then? that is crazy

Its true , he is not a bonafide starter, but we don't need one.  If you can get me a 6'11 + guy, that can at least do what Stiesma can, plus score consistently then i'm sold. I forget to add , that is going to cost alot of bucks btw


Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2012, 08:16:59 PM »

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We have one and for the future and his name is Stiesma. Have you not watched the 2nd half of the season?

I know he is not as effective in the playoffs, bc this is his first, plus he is prob not 100 percent and has a nagging small injury.

I agree that Steimsma should be a long term member of the celtics. However I don't think he is an effective enough man defender to be a 30+min starting caliber guy.

the reality is , you can't have an all star at every position. For some position it is ok to have a guy like Stiesma, Hollins to share minutes on top of sharing minutes with wilcox and kg to make out the centre role.

The way the celtics team that is built for the future, it will be a very bad mix to bring in a Al Jefferson, Al Horfod, Roy Hibbert type of centres. And guys like Chandler and Noah are way too expensive. We need guys who can run, block shots, play defense and do the little things. And these guys will do these things. Best thing is we will be a hard team to drive against almost all game, since these two love to block shots. On bonus they will sign cheap. Its more than sufficient.

Its the pf and SF for the future i worry about. Not sold on Jeff Green and there is really nobody as of now to replace KG.



I do not at all agree that Steamer has earned a long-term spot on this team.

He has been an absolute nonentity in the playoffs, and his minutes should be going to Hollins.

Ready to move on from Steamer.
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Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2012, 08:23:06 PM »

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Looking at the list at hoopsworld, most of the PF's that I would like the C's should have are Restricted FA's but I hope they'd go  and at least give a look for these names.

Jason Thompson
Marreese Speights
Anthony Randolph
Darrel Arthur
JJ Hickson


Darrell Arthur would be a steal if you can get him for cheap because of his injury. He'd be a perfect replacement for Bass.
Speights and Jason Thompson will probably get more than they deserve, but Anthony Randolph or Beasley (is he a FA this summer?) don't play a lot for the Wolves, and I love to have them in Green.

About the draft, Royce White will be a 3/4 in the league, and I can't see Ainge drafting Melo or Ezeli with his first round picks. My guess is he drafts a big forward (Quincy Miller/Royce White/Terrence Jones...ok pipedream) and a guard with the other first rounder. Then he finds yet another undersized PF in the 2nd round.

No to Humphries at more than 4-5 million a year. He looks good in Sportscenter, but he's not that good.

Kaman for 1 year could be a great fit, if the veterans (hopefully) come back for another run. He's not a great defender, but if he wants to, he can do good things. If he doesn't pan out, you can pack him at the trade deadline.

Wilcox and Stiemmsma deserve a roster spot for limited money, health could do wonders on both. And either Hollins or Sean Williams could be end-of-the-bench options if the Celtics can't find better players.


Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2012, 10:30:47 PM »

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Stiesma was great tonight. He is just going to improve

Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2012, 11:33:09 PM »

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Looking at the list at hoopsworld, most of the PF's that I would like the C's should have are Restricted FA's but I hope they'd go  and at least give a look for these names.

Jason Thompson
Marreese Speights
Anthony Randolph
Darrel Arthur
JJ Hickson


Darrell Arthur would be a steal if you can get him for cheap because of his injury. He'd be a perfect replacement for Bass.
Speights and Jason Thompson will probably get more than they deserve, but Anthony Randolph or Beasley (is he a FA this summer?) don't play a lot for the Wolves, and I love to have them in Green.

About the draft, Royce White will be a 3/4 in the league, and I can't see Ainge drafting Melo or Ezeli with his first round picks. My guess is he drafts a big forward (Quincy Miller/Royce White/Terrence Jones...ok pipedream) and a guard with the other first rounder. Then he finds yet another undersized PF in the 2nd round.

No to Humphries at more than 4-5 million a year. He looks good in Sportscenter, but he's not that good.

Kaman for 1 year could be a great fit, if the veterans (hopefully) come back for another run. He's not a great defender, but if he wants to, he can do good things. If he doesn't pan out, you can pack him at the trade deadline.

Wilcox and Stiemmsma deserve a roster spot for limited money, health could do wonders on both. And either Hollins or Sean Williams could be end-of-the-bench options if the Celtics can't find better players.



Royce White is not going to be a 3/4.  He's a 4/5 all the way. 
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PG: Chauncey Billups/Deron Williams
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SF: Jimmy Butler/Danny Granger/Danilo Gallinari
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Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2012, 12:27:53 AM »

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Wilcox and Stiemmsma deserve a roster spot for limited money, health could do wonders on both. And either Hollins or Sean Williams could be end-of-the-bench options if the Celtics can't find better players.



I like this team again next year quite a bit with the additions/returns of a healthy Wilcox and JGreen.

Starting 5:

Rondo
Pierce
JGreen
Wilcox
KG

...with a wing draft pick, Bradley as bench combo-guard, Steimsma, and JJJ getting minutes (he needs to be ready).

This team can win another couple of years while young players develop some more.  No worries, folks.

Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2012, 05:40:54 AM »

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If we are giving it another shot we need to make sure the older celts play with some athletes.  The mix of youth and experience has improved our ability to play with younger athletic teams more this year.   (Bass, Bradley, Pietrus, steimsma) players like Sheed, and JO were a poor match.

I hope KG re-ups for around 10.
Green signs 1 year for 5-6

Then the Celtics go after Asik.  He is one of THE best rebounders in the league and a great defensive big.  He would buy into the Celtics system and take a lot of pressure of KG.

I think also if Ray is going to be costly (more than 3-4 mil) I would rather just resign Pietrus for 3 million.   He buys in and seems keen to be here.

C: KG
PF: Bass
SF: Pierce
SG: Bradley
PG: Rondo

Bench
Asik, Green, JJ, Moore, New draft Picks, Pietrus?


If we wanted to play big just flip flop Bass and Asik and possibly flip flop bradley with green.   That would create long team with excellent defense.  I think Green will be much better defensively with a full training camp.

Defensive Unit

C: Asik
PF: KG
SF: Green
SG: Pierce/Bradley
PG: RONDO

Re: Lets look for a PF/C
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2012, 06:07:45 AM »

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Let's get through this season first ... we have no idea at this point what our injuries will look like or who may step up and earn more trade value before all is said and done. It's great to keep our eyes open, but we can't realistically put any solid plans together before the season is over.
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