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Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #150 on: April 24, 2012, 06:48:05 PM »

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I don't know if its been said. But I he has the potential to be Eric Gordon. That would be awesome is Avery turns out to be him

Gordon IMO is better than Westbrook or Rose
How?

http://bkref.com/tiny/jkALK

He's a more efficient scorer, but he's a worse rebounder (at SG which is doubly bad), doesn't create as well for others, and is far less durable.

He also has never been the go to go offensively so I wouldn't be shocked to see his efficiency drop if he has to shoot more.

I don't agree at all. Gordon was the go to scorer when he was on the Clippers, and Rose is the less durabble out of all of them

Derrick Rose and Westbrook do not shoot as well as Gordon. Unlike both of them, Gordon can score in a multitude of ways. It compares to Lebron and Carmelo. Lebron is taltented athletically, faster and can jump higher. But Carmelo can score in the post, 3 point shot, cutting, pull up, transistion, etc.
Plus Gordon is a better defender than both of them. But I give you this, Rose and Westbrok beat Gordon in sportscenter highlights

Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #151 on: April 25, 2012, 10:07:01 AM »

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It compares to Lebron and Carmelo. Lebron is taltented athletically, faster and can jump higher. But Carmelo can score in the post, 3 point shot, cutting, pull up, transistion, etc.

I see this sentiment often, that Carmelo is a much more complete scorer than Lebron.  It doesn't fly.  Anything that Carmelo can do on offense, Lebron can as well and mostly better.  Lebron actually has a better career percentage from three on more attempts (33.1% on 4 attempts compared to 32.3% on 2.6 attempts).  He's better in transition, gets to the line more (although he shoots a worse percentage) and even prior to this year,  his points per possession in the post were great, it was just that he didn't spend much time in there.

Lebron's career TS% and eFG also blow Carmelo away. 

Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #152 on: April 25, 2012, 10:14:33 AM »

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He also has never been the go to go offensively so I wouldn't be shocked to see his efficiency drop if he has to shoot more.

The only time he was able to control the ball a lot as a Clipper was last season when Baron Davis was out.  I'm not sure what the precise numbers were but he was outstanding, something like 25 points a game, with good percentages, got to the line a lot and dished out 5 assists or so.  Frankly, before that showing, I didn't think he had enough shot creating ability to play at that level.

He's similar to Harden, although not as good of a ballhandler and decisionmaker which shows up in his higher turnover rate.  His game is built on efficiency principles: shoot a lot of threes and free throws and less mid-range jumpers.

Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #153 on: April 25, 2012, 11:37:03 AM »

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So, to sum up, all we've established so far in this 11 page thread is this: it is very hard to think of a player comparable to Avery Bradley.

Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #154 on: April 25, 2012, 12:02:37 PM »

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I don't know if its been said. But I he has the potential to be Eric Gordon. That would be awesome is Avery turns out to be him

Gordon IMO is better than Westbrook or Rose
How?

http://bkref.com/tiny/jkALK

He's a more efficient scorer, but he's a worse rebounder (at SG which is doubly bad), doesn't create as well for others, and is far less durable.

He also has never been the go to go offensively so I wouldn't be shocked to see his efficiency drop if he has to shoot more.

I don't agree at all. Gordon was the go to scorer when he was on the Clippers, and Rose is the less durabble out of all of them
Eric Gordon has missed more game this year than Rose, and more games over the course of his career by far. Not only that but he's consistently had injury issues each year of his career. The idea that Rose is less durable than Eric Gordon has no basis in fact.

Eric Gordon has never been the go to guy, he's always been second or third. Davis, Williams, Griffin, or Kaman had equal or greater responsibilities to Gordon during the Gordon's highest usage season (last year).

Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #155 on: April 26, 2012, 10:42:07 AM »

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Maybe Dare I Say,

Dennis Johnson???

Or am I smoking green weed.



You're not smoking anything...

Definitely not a horrendous comparison. Their games aren't worlds apart.


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Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #156 on: April 26, 2012, 11:10:35 AM »

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It compares to Lebron and Carmelo. Lebron is taltented athletically, faster and can jump higher. But Carmelo can score in the post, 3 point shot, cutting, pull up, transistion, etc.

I see this sentiment often, that Carmelo is a much more complete scorer than Lebron.  It doesn't fly.  Anything that Carmelo can do on offense, Lebron can as well and mostly better.  Lebron actually has a better career percentage from three on more attempts (33.1% on 4 attempts compared to 32.3% on 2.6 attempts).  He's better in transition, gets to the line more (although he shoots a worse percentage) and even prior to this year,  his points per possession in the post were great, it was just that he didn't spend much time in there.

Lebron's career TS% and eFG also blow Carmelo away. 
Lebron is better from 3 and a better finisher. Melo compensates for poor finishing by getting quick rebounds and follows on bad finishes.

This lowers Melo's FG% but pads his rebounds. It is ugly, but effective.

Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #157 on: April 26, 2012, 11:18:21 AM »

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If he keeps hitting the three...

Aaron Afflalo, with potential to be better?

Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #158 on: April 26, 2012, 11:34:53 AM »

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Don't see what's so wrong with Rose/Westbrook comparison. Combo guards with mediocre ballhandling, mediocre passing, extremely athletic. Rose and Westbrook are ahead of Bradley obviously but they  are all scoring pg's and Bradley is ahead of them on defense.

If you refuse to compare him to anyone that's fine. If you don't think he will live up to the legend of Westbrook than just say he will be a poor mans Westbrook with better defense. Don't deny that he plays the same way as him though. Not to mention he was compared to Westbrook in college except, "with offense"

You think Derrick Rose is a mediocre ballhandler??!?!?


As far as pg's go I don't think Rose or Westbrook are good ball handlers. Maybe mediocre is a little strong but I def don't think ball-handling is one of there strengths (again for a pg)

Well, first you called them "combo" guards and now you're emphasizing that they're PGs. Is Bradley a PG then too?

Rose gets to the rim at will with the ball in his hands. He might be the most difficult cover in the league at that position. Being able to maintain a dribble while moving and changing directions like that is extremely difficult, and Rose does it as well as anyone in the league.

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Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #159 on: April 26, 2012, 11:44:26 AM »

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If he keeps hitting the three...

Aaron Afflalo, with potential to be better?

I see very few similarities between those two. 

I'm sticking with Hersey Hawkins if he continues to shoot the ball well.
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Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #160 on: April 26, 2012, 01:26:39 PM »

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If he keeps hitting the three...

Aaron Afflalo, with potential to be better?

I see very few similarities between those two. 

I'm sticking with Hersey Hawkins if he continues to shoot the ball well.

He'll need to shoot a LOT better to justify the Hawkins comparison.

This reminds me, a long time ago I was at a Hornets game, when Hawkins and Dell Curry were on the team. During the shoot around the two of them started a 3 point contest. It was amazing. They basically hit every single shot out to around 25 feet. By the end they had backed it up almost to half court, and they were still pretty much hitting 2 out of 3. Curry in particular was just effortlessly draining shot after shot from 35 feet.

We lose perspective on just how awesome these guys are. If you give someone like Hawkins time to set and shoot, uncovered, they can hit from anywhere.

Re: Avery Bradley will be the next Russell Westbrook
« Reply #161 on: April 26, 2012, 01:31:47 PM »

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Did you ever see Barros shoot?  Dude could nail them.