Next year's cap?

[droopdog7]

So it seems we will go in one of directions next year.  Resign the likes of KG, Green, Wilcox, Steisma, etc. or just let everyone walk and sign whomever to one-year deals (to get above the minimum) and tank the season.  I suppose there is a third option which is to let everyone walk and try to sign good players with cap space.  But I am not sure there are good players that will be worth signing for long term deals next year.

So here is a basic question.  If we go the first route (signing KG, etc.), would there be any money at all to sign other reinforcments?  Of course it depends on who we decide to sign and for how much, but I am guessing that even signing KG (for say 10 mil) and Green and Wilcox (for say 8 mil), that there won't be much if any money left over for anyone else.

[LarBrd33]

No.  If we bring everyone back there pretty much isn't any money left to sign reinforcements.  We'll be over the cap.  Maybe signing someone with the MLE is possible.  We also have those two draft picks. 

[snively]

If Bass opts out and we renounce our bird rights, we figure to have ~$25 mil in cap room, to sign our own free agents or external ones.

If, as you proposed, we resigned KG, Green and Wilcox for a combined $18 mil, that would mean we'd have about $7 mil left over, plus the $2.5 mil exception once we hit the cap (the one the Clippers used to sign K-Mart). 

[pennant_fever]

In the wake of Jackie MacMullan's saying that Garnett definitely wants to return to the C's and won't play elsewhere, does ANYONE think there's a chance he takes a substantially lower contract number in order to attract a free agent?

Suppose Garnett wanted to come back and take one more run at a title. If he took, say, $4 million, and Green, Bass, and Wilcox came back for $12 million total, could any good players be attracted by $9 million and that roster?

[Celtics18]

In the wake of Jackie MacMullan's saying that Garnett definitely wants to return to the C's and won't play elsewhere, does ANYONE think there's a chance he takes a substantially lower contract number in order to attract a free agent?

Suppose Garnett wanted to come back and take one more run at a title. If he took, say, $4 million, and Green, Bass, and Wilcox came back for $12 million total, could any good players be attracted by $9 million and that roster?

I don't think you can offer Kevin Garnett $4 million to return.  If he would take $10 million, that would be a significant home town discount.

[LarBrd33]

In the wake of Jackie MacMullan's saying that Garnett definitely wants to return to the C's and won't play elsewhere, does ANYONE think there's a chance he takes a substantially lower contract number in order to attract a free agent?

Suppose Garnett wanted to come back and take one more run at a title. If he took, say, $4 million, and Green, Bass, and Wilcox came back for $12 million total, could any good players be attracted by $9 million and that roster?

I don't think you can offer Kevin Garnett $4 million to return.  If he would take $10 million, that would be a significant home town discount.

I agree.  They should just leave it up to KG.  Ask him how much he wants.  No sense in toying with him.  He's basically the 2nd best unrestricted free agent in the free agent class behind Deron Wiliams.  If he wants 10 mil... give him 10 mil.  If he doesn't care about money and just wants to win... let him name his own number and explain what we will do with the extra cash.

But assuming he takes 10 mil +... we are unlikely to have any cap room.  Jeff Green takes 7-8 mil... Bass is taking at least 4 mil (if he picks up his player option)... If we're looking at something like 5 mil in cap space, we might as well just bring back Ray as well.

[rondohondo]

In the wake of Jackie MacMullan's saying that Garnett definitely wants to return to the C's and won't play elsewhere, does ANYONE think there's a chance he takes a substantially lower contract number in order to attract a free agent?

Suppose Garnett wanted to come back and take one more run at a title. If he took, say, $4 million, and Green, Bass, and Wilcox came back for $12 million total, could any good players be attracted by $9 million and that roster?

I don't think you can offer Kevin Garnett $4 million to return.  If he would take $10 million, that would be a significant home town discount.

If KG wants another shot at a title he better take a big pay cut to around 7 or 8 mil per year. He has seen Sheed and Shaq take big pay cuts to come to Boston late in their career to win a championship, maybe that rubbed off on him .

Otherwise there really is no way to significantly improve the roster by bringing back Ray and Green and being able to add a big man like Humpheries,Kaman or Illyasova

KG has made 300 mil in his career , does he really need another huge pay day ? The guy wants another championship and will take a significant pay cut to around 7 mil a year IMO

[Mr October]

In the wake of Jackie MacMullan's saying that Garnett definitely wants to return to the C's and won't play elsewhere, does ANYONE think there's a chance he takes a substantially lower contract number in order to attract a free agent?

Suppose Garnett wanted to come back and take one more run at a title. If he took, say, $4 million, and Green, Bass, and Wilcox came back for $12 million total, could any good players be attracted by $9 million and that roster?

I don't think you can offer Kevin Garnett $4 million to return.  If he would take $10 million, that would be a significant home town discount.

If KG wants another shot at a title he better take a big pay cut to around 7 or 8 mil per year. He has seen Sheed and Shaq take big pay cuts to come to Boston late in their career to win a championship, maybe that rubbed off on him .

Otherwise there really is no way to significantly improve the roster by bringing back Ray and Green and being able to add a big man like Humpheries,Kaman or Illyasova

KG has made 300 mil in his career , does he really need another huge pay day ? The guy wants another championship and will take a significant pay cut to around 7 mil a year IMO

Rasheed's value was only the MLE at the time he was signed. SHaq's was probably the MLE even though he came to Boston for the minimum.

KG is still a top 5 center, top 8 PF in the NBA. He is easily worth 15 or 16 million for 1 year in the open market.

I think LarBrd33 is right. Ask KG what he wants at the start of negotiations. If he volunteers a discount that would be awesome. You don't want to insult him by offering a role player contract.

In all business, money/paycheck equals respect on some level or another.

[LooseCannon]

If the Celtics renounce enough contracts to sign a free agent with cap space, then they will have to renounce the mid-level exception and will gain the new "room" exception that will let them sign a player for 2 years starting at around $2.5m.  If the Celtics bring back KG and several players, then they get the full MLE if they stay under the luxury tax threshold.

The Celtics have enough that if they keep everyone useful and have a draft pick who is good enough and plays enough to be named to the NBA All-Rookie team and they are one of the teams with the most productive usage of the MLE, there is reason to believe they can be a legitimate contender.

[eugen]

If KG anf RY will reduce the salary 30%, Cs are able to land a 5th big player in particular a big center( Howard, Bynum, Varejao)

[droopdog7]

If the Celtics renounce enough contracts to sign a free agent with cap space, then they will have to renounce the mid-level exception and will gain the new "room" exception that will let them sign a player for 2 years starting at around $2.5m.  If the Celtics bring back KG and several players, then they get the full MLE if they stay under the luxury tax threshold.

The Celtics have enough that if they keep everyone useful and have a draft pick who is good enough and plays enough to be named to the NBA All-Rookie team and they are one of the teams with the most productive usage of the MLE, there is reason to believe they can be a legitimate contender.

Hadn't thought of that, mostly because I don't know the rules.  But if we're only going to have around 5 mil but no exception, then it would make sense to get to the cap then use the exception (assuming that is how it works).

[celty86]

If we bring KG back at the 5 we need a better rebounding 4 than Bass. I don't know if Ilyasova is the guy but we need someone.

[CelticSooner]

Man it would be nice if KG took a big discount so the C's could truly fill the bench out and get a legit starting 4. Someone like Josh Smith. I do wonder how he would do under KG and Doc.

[stylo617617]

my plan would be

take the 25 plus mill in cap

trade for josh smith offer our picks & future picks

sign jeff green & oj mayo & resign KG(2.5 exception)

then resign guys like dooling (maybe even delonte again?) & marquis for depth

plan b is identical as plan a except if we cant trade for josh smith sign beasley & jeff (both can play the 4 & 3) sign mayo resign ry & kg

rondo/west/dooling
bradley/mayo/etuan
paul/beasley/marquis
jeff/JJJ/wilcox
KG/steisma/free agent big


i would love ray back but we shouldve traded for mayo for scoring as a lineup with rondo/bradley & kg will always get the needed stops
 plus i think ray is as good as MIA's next year

[Terry3]

well