Rumor: TWill to sign with Kings

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Perfect fit.  Another guy who doesn't know how to pass to compliment all the other volume shooters.  Who is running that team?

T-Will is actually a GOOD passer. I can make the case that he's much more of a willing passer than Jimmer is right now. He can find open teammates. He sometimes plays like a PG,  and he believes he is a PG.

[Moranis]

The Kings have actually made the right draft pick in virtually every draft, the players just aren't good enough.

The Kings may or may not draft well, but they make really stupid trades.  There is some question as to how much of the blame can be assigned to Geoff Petrie and how much of the Kings' problems have to do with bad ownership.

last few trades (acquired first)
Hickson for Casspi & protected 1st - seems like a good trade, especially at the time

Fredette & Salmons for Biyombo & Udrih - not a bad trade, but not great

Daniels & cash for 2017 2nd (needed dollars for salary cap)

Thornton & cash for Landry - good trade

Taylor & cash for 2011 2nd - no real impact either way, but they got cash

Jackson & 2011 2nd for Brockman - no real impact either way, but they got cash & a pick in the process

Dalembert for Nocioni & Hawes - improved team short term & got out of Nocioni, but Hawes is a solid young player

Landry, Dorsey, Hughes, cash for Martin, Armstrong, Rodriguez - Martin was keeping them from being really bad and they got some nice young pieces, but overall a poor trade

Armstrong & cash for 2016 cond. 2nd - no real impact either way, but they got cash

Rodriguez, Brockman, & cash for Pendergraph - great trade

Solomon & cash for 2014 cond. 2nd - no real impact either way, but they got cash

McCants & Booth for Williams & Brown - no real impact

Diogu & cash for Ruffin - good trade

Nocioni, Gooden, Ruffin, & Simmons for Miller & Salmons - ok trade

Cassell & cash for 2015 protected 2nd - good trade

Jackson, Green, protected 1st (casspi), cash for Artest, Singletary, Ewing Jr. - good trade for where team was at

That takes you through the free agency period of 2008 to the present (oldest first).  Overall Martin was the only really poor trade, most of the others had no real impact, but probably lean towards the good end of the spectrum.  The reality is, Sacramento is just stuck in no mans land.  They aren't good enough to make the playoffs, but they aren't bad enough to be really terrible and land the franchise player in the draft (and haven't hit in the lottery either).

[StartOrien]

But what does that show us Moranis? Petrie's done a terrific job at making a whole mess of moves that have had next to no impact on the team?

[StartOrien]

Also, this was a miserable trade:

Fredette & Salmons for Biyombo & Udrih - not a bad trade, but not great

Salmons - a ball stopper, who really doesn't fit the mold of what this team needs to build around Cousins & Evans - made 8.5 mil this year, 8 next, and 7.5 the season after (also a team option of 7 mil in 14/15' that won't be used), whereas Udrih is scheduled to make that amount with one less year (which hypothetically could go away because he does have a player option). The Kings are struggling to stay in Sacramento, but they decided to absorb an additional 8 million dollars on a player who doesn't fit their plans in the present or the future.

On top of that, isn't Biyombo the very type of player this team needs most? A super-athletic, defensive minded big to pair with Cousins for the foreseeable future. Offensively, put Cousins on the high block and let Biyombo pick up the garbage.

Instead, with Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins in place you add two shoot-first players in Ferdette and Salmons? And as Who pointed out, what's so shocking about this is the height of this team's success was built around incredible offensive ball movement. This team's an absolute mess.

[Moranis]

But what does that show us Moranis? Petrie's done a terrific job at making a whole mess of moves that have had next to no impact on the team?

No it means they don't have good enough players to trade.  Which was my point.

[Moranis]

Also, this was a miserable trade:

Fredette & Salmons for Biyombo & Udrih - not a bad trade, but not great

Salmons - a ball stopper, who really doesn't fit the mold of what this team needs to build around Cousins & Evans - made 8.5 mil this year, 8 next, and 7.5 the season after (also a team option of 7 mil in 14/15' that won't be used), whereas Udrih is scheduled to make that amount with one less year (which hypothetically could go away because he does have a player option). The Kings are struggling to stay in Sacramento, but they decided to absorb an additional 8 million dollars on a player who doesn't fit their plans in the present or the future.

On top of that, isn't Biyombo the very type of player this team needs most? A super-athletic, defensive minded big to pair with Cousins for the foreseeable future. Offensively, put Cousins on the high block and let Biyombo pick up the garbage.

Instead, with Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins in place you add two shoot-first players in Ferdette and Salmons? And as Who pointed out, what's so shocking about this is the height of this team's success was built around incredible offensive ball movement. This team's an absolute mess.

Jimmer and Biyombo are both nothing more than role players, but the Kings had a lot of young players down low (cousins, thompson, greene, hickson (no more obviously)) and not much outside of Evans and Thornton on the wing.  Trade makes sense in that regard, when you are talking about similar talent and it isn't like evans and thornton are shooters.  The Kings were lacking outside shooting.  Jimmer should bring that.

The reality is they don't have a franchise guy and frankly might not even have a solid #2 (evans, thornton, and cousins might get there, but they aren't there yet).  You can't win without a #1 and the Kings haven't been bad enough to get a #1 in the draft.  Maybe this year they will finally get that #1 player they need.

[StartOrien]

Jimmer and Biyombo are both nothing more than role players, but the Kings had a lot of young players down low (cousins, thompson, greene, hickson (no more obviously)) and not much outside of Evans and Thornton on the wing.  Trade makes sense in that regard, when you are talking about similar talent and it isn't like evans and thornton are shooters.  The Kings were lacking outside shooting.  Jimmer should bring that.

The reality is they don't have a franchise guy and frankly might not even have a solid #2 (evans, thornton, and cousins might get there, but they aren't there yet).  You can't win without a #1 and the Kings haven't been bad enough to get a #1 in the draft.  Maybe this year they will finally get that #1 player they need.

Completely disagree with you - while Jimmer's ceiling is probably a very good role player, along the lines of JJ Redick, Bismack Biyombo has the potential to be a Ben Wallace difference maker on the defensive side. And if he falls somewhere in between where he's  at and his ceiling, he's still a very good rotational player. You don't trade that player away just to add something as simple as outside shooting.

Hickson was clearly not the player they needed; I've said this before, I honestly think he might be the most incompetent defensive player I've ever seen play the power forward position. That's not the type of player you wan to couple with a subpar defensive player in DeMarcus Cousins (Who I absolutely believe is a franchise guy if he's used correctly. The offense needs to be run through him).

[StartOrien]

Even leaving Isiah Thomas out of the equation - because I don't think it's fair to assume that he'd project to be anywhere near as good as he is - there's just no way I can agree that a team built on Tyreke Evans, Demarcus Cousins is better served with Jimmer and JJ Hickson than Biyombo and Casspi.

[LooseCannon]

That takes you through the free agency period of 2008 to the present (oldest first).  Overall Martin was the only really poor trade, most of the others had no real impact, but probably lean towards the good end of the spectrum.  The reality is, Sacramento is just stuck in no mans land.  They aren't good enough to make the playoffs, but they aren't bad enough to be really terrible and land the franchise player in the draft (and haven't hit in the lottery either).

Your cut-off date causes you to just miss the fire sale trades of Mike Bibby and Ron Artest.  There's a lot out there to suggest that Geoff Petrie has been handicapped by the Maloofs' penny-pinching ways and that he could build a better team if the owners were willing/able to spend like they used to.

It's possible that good drafting has made the Kings too good to get that #1 player.  Maybe you agree with my contention that you usually have to be either incompetent or lucky to get those high lottery picks.