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Cautiously, pessimistically optimistic
« on: March 16, 2012, 01:46:14 PM »

Offline rocknrollforyoursoul

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It's been nearly a full day since the trade deadline; in that time, I've devoured the CB forums, reading nearly every post of every thread on the matter, all while holding off on commenting as I tried to stay cool and look at things with a clear head.

As you may have guessed, my initial reaction was unpleasant; I simply was stunned that the Cs did zilch, particularly as I watched our sworn enemies out West quietly get better. I was underwhelmed when I first heard the J.J. Hickson rumor, but in hindsight I thought it would be nice to get him, in light of losing JO and Wilcox, if he could be had for something cheap like Daniels and Dooling. I don't know what happened with that rumor—were the Kings asking for too much?—but I was surprised that we didn't turn some of our nothings into something.

At any rate, I think I'm seeing things at least a little more objectively 24 hours later, hard though it's been to work through my disappointment, and I do like some things about Danny's strategy. I like that he preserved our cap space, even though the upcoming field of free agents is wafer-thin on top talent—it seems that the cap space could be highly valuable in a trade, so that's cool. I also respect Danny's decision (thus far, at least) to not take on any terrible contracts that would weigh us down. I like that we didn't give up any of our young talent (again—not yet, at least); I like keeping Bradley, Moore, Stiemsma and JJ around to see how much they develop.

I still, however, have some issues, or maybe not issues but questions or concerns. I'm happy that Danny kept the core intact, but I believe that if we're going to give the Big 4 one last rodeo together—which is what Danny's doing—that we should give them as much help as possible; it seems that Danny wants to do that, but with no trades made, any help will have to come via buyouts, free agents, or D-Leaguers, and I'm skeptical that we can find any value in any of those places. Danny's buyout finds in recent years have been terrible, and the so-called "best big man in the D-League," Jeff Foote, was scooped up by another team last week. And of course, if anyone is currently a free agent, it's because they're borderline NBA talent. I realize we may not need a stud, but I would rather have had Hickson, I think, than Dan Gadzuric or D-League Player X. But maybe I'm wrong; maybe such a player would work out great and fill the need nicely. I guess I remain slightly hopeful for that.

It still boggles my mind that Danny couldn't find a cheap, serviceable big without hurting our cap space next season. I also wonder if he's a bit overprotective of that cap space; I agree that it's valuable, but if Danny had been able to land a decent big who had a year or two left on his contract at, say, 6-8 million per, would that have been such a bad thing? Would that really have "ruined" our cap situation and prevented us from rebuilding next season? Especially in light of Dwight Howard's removal from the free-agent scene?

I realize, though, that I'm not a GM, and that Danny knows a lot more about this stuff than I do, and that he probably investigated virtually every possible trade scenario. I also realize that he may truly have not been presented with a good deal, and that he could still pull a rabbit out of the hat somehow. I'm sentimental, so I understand and appreciate keeping the core together, and I realize that the team has been playing better lately (though "better" is a relative term; it would be hard to NOT be better than we were at the beginning of the season). Anyway, there's hope; they're only 1 1/2 games behind Philly for the division, and Philly is currently the fourth seed (though I'm not sure why, since they're a division leader; shouldn't they be third?), and KG's reemergence is a good sign. I'm still leery of Doc overplaying the Big 4, and our lack of size is a big concern for me, but on the whole, I guess I'm cautiously, pessimistically optimistic.
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Re: Cautiously, pessimistically optimistic
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 01:51:30 PM »

Offline MBunge

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It still boggles my mind that Danny couldn't find a cheap, serviceable big without hurting our cap space next season.

Look for further than the Camby to Houston deal.  What did Boston have to offer better than Thabeet and Flynn?  At least Flynn has proven himself as a guy who can play in the league, something we can't really say yet for JJJ or E'Twaun.  Would you have been happy if Ainge had given up a 1st round pick for Camby, just so we could go from a 90 to 1 shot for the title to 70 to 1?

Mike

Re: Cautiously, pessimistically optimistic
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 02:18:01 PM »

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It still boggles my mind that Danny couldn't find a cheap, serviceable big without hurting our cap space next season.

Look for further than the Camby to Houston deal.  What did Boston have to offer better than Thabeet and Flynn?  At least Flynn has proven himself as a guy who can play in the league, something we can't really say yet for JJJ or E'Twaun.  Would you have been happy if Ainge had given up a 1st round pick for Camby, just so we could go from a 90 to 1 shot for the title to 70 to 1?

Mike

You bring up a point I meant to address in my OP but forgot: the draft. Specifically, I wonder if this draft is being overhyped. By most accounts, it's supposed to be a "deep" draft, but what exactly does that mean? Does it mean that there will be borderline All-Stars in the 15-20 range? I realize that there are some good players who were taken low (such as Rondo at No. 21), but that's the exception, not the rule. Our first-round pick this past year, JJ, is barely getting off the bench, and we all know how Doc dislikes playing rookies (Dooling playing over Moore? C'mon). Of course, Danny may have plans for our upcoming first-rounders, such as packaging the two picks for a higher (maybe lotto?) pick. In that case, I'd be happy. It's just that I'm getting mixed messages from Danny: we're keeping the core intact and giving them one more chance to go for it, but we're not getting them any serious help. I mean, is Doc going to keep playing a three-man big rotation? Is he going to keep playing the Big 4 into the ground? And if Danny brings back Ray and KG next year, I can totally see Doc still starting them, along with Pierce, and keeping our "good" picks from a "deep" draft on the bench. Maybe I'm thinking too short term and not enough about the long term, but I really do like what the Lakers did: trading away first-round picks that were likely going to be no higher than the low 20s for a couple guys who could be key role players in a championship drive. I guess I'm of the opinion that if we're going to do one last hurrah with the Big 4, we should do it right, and I'm not sure we did.
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Re: Cautiously, pessimistically optimistic
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 02:27:18 PM »

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You bring up a point I meant to address in my OP but forgot: the draft. Specifically, I wonder if this draft is being overhyped. By most accounts, it's supposed to be a "deep" draft, but what exactly does that mean?

I've been wondering about this myself. I mean, I'm no expert in talent evaluation, but I really don't see why everyone is so excited about this upcoming draft. Yeah, there are some good looking players, but I really don't see anyone that will be an instant game changer, the way Kyrie Irving has in the supposed "weak" draft this past year. Nobody has impressed me from the college games I've watched.

Re: Cautiously, pessimistically optimistic
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 02:30:35 PM »

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It still boggles my mind that Danny couldn't find a cheap, serviceable big without hurting our cap space next season.

Look for further than the Camby to Houston deal.  What did Boston have to offer better than Thabeet and Flynn?  At least Flynn has proven himself as a guy who can play in the league, something we can't really say yet for JJJ or E'Twaun.  Would you have been happy if Ainge had given up a 1st round pick for Camby, just so we could go from a 90 to 1 shot for the title to 70 to 1?

Mike

Yeah, I agree. My initial reaction to Houston getting Camby was disappointment that Ainge couldn't have beaten that offer.

But, thinking more about it, Flynn and Thabeet are two young, former top 10 draft picks on reasonable contracts, and that 2nd rounder Portland got from Houston is also pretty good (Minnesota's 2012). So it would likely have cost a 1st and/or a young asset like JJJ or Bradley, and that's too steep a price to pay.

BTW, for a team that suddenly went into fire-sale/blow-up mode, Portland did pretty well. A lottery pick from Jersey, Flynn, Thabeet, and a 2nd for Camby and Wallace?

Didn't like the Nate firing, though.
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