Doc's 9 man rotation

[bostonpatriot]

Gotta upgrade the Dooling and Bass roles to be a contender.  Bass is fine as a 7th man, but not as a starter, 5th best guy on a contender.  Dooling isn't good enough to be in a serious playoff rotation at this point.

I'd love to see a JO/Dooling/pick for Odom/Beaubois deal.

 

Me too, but I'm fairly sure Dallas would get better offers for that package.

[jdz101]

Bass can make his jumpers but he usually does need someone to get him those looks and bradley isnt accomplished enough yet to do that.

It would be great to get a guy like beaze who can create his own shot so the second unit can have some scoring punch. At the moment there is just nothing there.

Whenever dooling takes a shot i get the same sick feeling as I got when the fat mamba pulled up for one last year. You hope its going in but you know it probably wont.

[MBunge]

It doesn't matter what the rotation is if the bench production and minutes are going to be so slim.  Which raises the question, why is the bench so bad?  Keyon, Wilcox and Pietrus aren't ancient vets on their last legs.  They're all legitimate NBA rotation players and while Keyon's numbers are down from last year and his career averages, Pietrus and Wilcox are pretty much the same as they've always been.  And Bradley's improved enough that he'd get some minutes on most NBA teams.  Yet, they were completely blown off the court by the Knicks' bench.  Why?

Mike

[Evantime34]

It doesn't matter what the rotation is if the bench production and minutes are going to be so slim.  Which raises the question, why is the bench so bad?  Keyon, Wilcox and Pietrus aren't ancient vets on their last legs.  They're all legitimate NBA rotation players and while Keyon's numbers are down from last year and his career averages, Pietrus and Wilcox are pretty much the same as they've always been.  And Bradley's improved enough that he'd get some minutes on most NBA teams.  Yet, they were completely blown off the court by the Knicks' bench.  Why?

Mike

I think it's due to a lack of a go to scorer off the bench. That's where this team misses Jeff Green the most and why I think they will get someone like Beasley.

[snively]

Anyone else a little scared that this 9-man rotation will involve a lot of super small ball with Pierce or Pietrus at the 4?

With KG's minutes restriction (around 30mpg), that leaves about 66 mpg at the big spots.  I can see Bass getting 32-36 of those, but I have a hard time seeing Doc trusting Wilcox for more than about 24.  That would suggest 6-10 minutes of super small ball a game, which I don't think we have the personnel to make functional (the Bradley-Dooling-Ray-Pietrus 1-4 combo is historically horrific on the boards and not exceptionally adept off the dribble). 

[Evantime34]

Anyone else a little scared that this 9-man rotation will involve a lot of super small ball with Pierce or Pietrus at the 4?

With KG's minutes restriction (around 30mpg), that leaves about 66 mpg at the big spots.  I can see Bass getting 32-36 of those, but I have a hard time seeing Doc trusting Wilcox for more than about 24.  That would suggest 6-10 minutes of super small ball a game, which I don't think we have the personnel to make functional (the Bradley-Dooling-Ray-Pietrus 1-4 combo is historically horrific on the boards and not exceptionally adept off the dribble). 

I will be extremely worried if this is the situation on March 16th. Right now I am under the assumption that they will add someone in this respect. If we don't then I do not feel good about this team. I expect either JO to come back or someone coming in to replace him.

[nickagneta]

Anyone else a little scared that this 9-man rotation will involve a lot of super small ball with Pierce or Pietrus at the 4?

With KG's minutes restriction (around 30mpg), that leaves about 66 mpg at the big spots.  I can see Bass getting 32-36 of those, but I have a hard time seeing Doc trusting Wilcox for more than about 24.  That would suggest 6-10 minutes of super small ball a game, which I don't think we have the personnel to make functional (the Bradley-Dooling-Ray-Pietrus 1-4 combo is historically horrific on the boards and not exceptionally adept off the dribble). 

I think to alleviate this what we are going to see is Stiemnma coming in every other game or in games where Doc feels the competition is less or in back to back situations where the bigs aren't fresh or are hurting. In this manner Doc can afford to throw Stiemer out there without sacrificing to much of a quality letdown and so make up those 6-10 minutes on average. In doing this Doc will use his three man big lineup exclusively against better teams while keeping his players at the minutes he wants them at on average throughout the rest of the year.

Check Stiemer's game logs. This is pretty much the way he has been used to this point since JO has gone down.

[snively]

Anyone else a little scared that this 9-man rotation will involve a lot of super small ball with Pierce or Pietrus at the 4?

With KG's minutes restriction (around 30mpg), that leaves about 66 mpg at the big spots.  I can see Bass getting 32-36 of those, but I have a hard time seeing Doc trusting Wilcox for more than about 24.  That would suggest 6-10 minutes of super small ball a game, which I don't think we have the personnel to make functional (the Bradley-Dooling-Ray-Pietrus 1-4 combo is historically horrific on the boards and not exceptionally adept off the dribble). 

I think to alleviate this what we are going to see is Stiemnma coming in every other game or in games where Doc feels the competition is less or in back to back situations where the bigs aren't fresh or are hurting. In this manner Doc can afford to throw Stiemer out there without sacrificing to much of a quality letdown and so make up those 6-10 minutes on average. In doing this Doc will use his three man big lineup exclusively against better teams while keeping his players at the minutes he wants them at on average throughout the rest of the year.

Check Stiemer's game logs. This is pretty much the way he has been used to this point since JO has gone down.

But if you go to basketballvalue and check the most frequently utilized line-ups, two Pierce @ PF line-ups chart an appearance before any line-up with Stiemsma.

When push comes to shove, I think Doc will go super-small-ball instead of playing Stiemsma.

Not that I disagree with him too much.  Stiemsma hasn't shown himself to be a dependable contributor. 

Personally I wish Doc would be more patient with Wilcox and play him more minutes instead of going small-ball.

[erisred]

Gotta upgrade the Dooling and Bass roles to be a contender.  Bass is fine as a 7th man, but not as a starter, 5th best guy on a contender.  Dooling isn't good enough to be in a serious playoff rotation at this point.

This I agree with. 

Bass is good, but on a real contender that's 6th or 7th man good, not starter.  I'm afraid I just don't see Dooling as good enough to make the 9 man rotation.  IMO, the C's desperately need 1 more big and 1 more guard. A healthy JO could be the big, but IMO, he isn't not going to be healthy...period.

I'd love to see a JO/Dooling/pick for Odom/Beaubois deal.

As much as I don't like Odom (and that is a lot), I could get behind this trade....ah heck! No, I couldn't! I would hate Lamar Odom on the C's.  However,  I think, a serviceable big and a guard is what the C's need to pick up.