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Re: Ainge's Strategy going forward
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2012, 08:34:13 AM »

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Well one idea to lure Dwight is to move KG for Smith. In turn we take on Smith + Marvin Williams contract and then amnesty Williams. He's only $7.5 per but it's three years.
If Danny wants to make a legit run at Dwight Howard this is a great way to do it. We could even instead take on Joe Johnson and ask Atlanta for a 2014 first round pick+Smith+Johnson so they can begin their own rebuild. We would have to move Pierce for a pick or a young piece too.
Try a year with

Rondo
Johnson
Jeff Green
Josh Smith
Dwight Howard.

plus our two first rounders
+Atlantas first rounder.
Rondo could be turned into Deron Williams too in a perfect world- to give us another outside threat for Dwight to dump to.

It's like the version of the Atlanta Hawks that they've always wanted.

Don't really have to keep Johnson, amnesty him if we must, but he could fit well in Doc's system taking over for Pierce. (bit younger, more athletic).
Waive him at the end of the season if it's not working out.
We still have our young picks and a veteran team that can definitely go head to head with Chicago and MIA.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2012, 08:41:29 AM by chambers »
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Re: Ainge's Strategy going forward
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2012, 09:09:53 AM »

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Well one idea to lure Dwight is to move KG for Smith. In turn we take on Smith + Marvin Williams contract and then amnesty Williams. He's only $7.5 per but it's three years.
If Danny wants to make a legit run at Dwight Howard this is a great way to do it. We could even instead take on Joe Johnson and ask Atlanta for a 2014 first round pick+Smith+Johnson so they can begin their own rebuild. We would have to move Pierce for a pick or a young piece too.
Try a year with

Rondo
Johnson
Jeff Green
Josh Smith
Dwight Howard.

plus our two first rounders
+Atlantas first rounder.
Rondo could be turned into Deron Williams too in a perfect world- to give us another outside threat for Dwight to dump to.

It's like the version of the Atlanta Hawks that they've always wanted.

Don't really have to keep Johnson, amnesty him if we must, but he could fit well in Doc's system taking over for Pierce. (bit younger, more athletic).
Waive him at the end of the season if it's not working out.
We still have our young picks and a veteran team that can definitely go head to head with Chicago and MIA.


I don't think you can amnesty players you've traded for this season.

Re: Ainge's Strategy going forward
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2012, 09:31:17 AM »

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Well one idea to lure Dwight is to move KG for Smith. In turn we take on Smith + Marvin Williams contract and then amnesty Williams. He's only $7.5 per but it's three years.
If Danny wants to make a legit run at Dwight Howard this is a great way to do it. We could even instead take on Joe Johnson and ask Atlanta for a 2014 first round pick+Smith+Johnson so they can begin their own rebuild. We would have to move Pierce for a pick or a young piece too.
Try a year with

Rondo
Johnson
Jeff Green
Josh Smith
Dwight Howard.

plus our two first rounders
+Atlantas first rounder.
Rondo could be turned into Deron Williams too in a perfect world- to give us another outside threat for Dwight to dump to.

It's like the version of the Atlanta Hawks that they've always wanted.

Don't really have to keep Johnson, amnesty him if we must, but he could fit well in Doc's system taking over for Pierce. (bit younger, more athletic).
Waive him at the end of the season if it's not working out.
We still have our young picks and a veteran team that can definitely go head to head with Chicago and MIA.


I don't think you can amnesty players you've traded for this season.

You are correct. So we would keep Williams for one year then erase him, or do the same with Johnson.
I like taking on Johnson because he is a definite scoring threat for a year to see how things work out. Waive him if things don't work out.

Just an idea if we really want Howard to consider coming over.
In this scenario we could even move Johnson+picks for another nice piece or a top 15 pick potentially after his first year.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Ainge's Strategy going forward
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2012, 09:42:52 AM »

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Well one idea to lure Dwight is to move KG for Smith. In turn we take on Smith + Marvin Williams contract and then amnesty Williams. He's only $7.5 per but it's three years.
If Danny wants to make a legit run at Dwight Howard this is a great way to do it. We could even instead take on Joe Johnson and ask Atlanta for a 2014 first round pick+Smith+Johnson so they can begin their own rebuild. We would have to move Pierce for a pick or a young piece too.
Try a year with

Rondo
Johnson
Jeff Green
Josh Smith
Dwight Howard.

plus our two first rounders
+Atlantas first rounder.
Rondo could be turned into Deron Williams too in a perfect world- to give us another outside threat for Dwight to dump to.

It's like the version of the Atlanta Hawks that they've always wanted.

Don't really have to keep Johnson, amnesty him if we must, but he could fit well in Doc's system taking over for Pierce. (bit younger, more athletic).
Waive him at the end of the season if it's not working out.
We still have our young picks and a veteran team that can definitely go head to head with Chicago and MIA.


I don't think you can amnesty players you've traded for this season.

You are correct. So we would keep Williams for one year then erase him, or do the same with Johnson.
I like taking on Johnson because he is a definite scoring threat for a year to see how things work out. Waive him if things don't work out.

Just an idea if we really want Howard to consider coming over.
In this scenario we could even move Johnson+picks for another nice piece or a top 15 pick potentially after his first year.

I believe you can only amnesty players that were already signed before the new cba and only teams who had them under contract at the time the new CBA was signed can amnesty that player. So anyone who signed a new contract or was traded to a new team this year and in the future can not be amnestied .      
« Last Edit: March 04, 2012, 10:06:58 AM by rondohondo »

Re: Ainge's Strategy going forward
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2012, 09:45:41 AM »

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Well one idea to lure Dwight is to move KG for Smith. In turn we take on Smith + Marvin Williams contract and then amnesty Williams. He's only $7.5 per but it's three years.
If Danny wants to make a legit run at Dwight Howard this is a great way to do it. We could even instead take on Joe Johnson and ask Atlanta for a 2014 first round pick+Smith+Johnson so they can begin their own rebuild. We would have to move Pierce for a pick or a young piece too.
Try a year with

Rondo
Johnson
Jeff Green
Josh Smith
Dwight Howard.

plus our two first rounders
+Atlantas first rounder.
Rondo could be turned into Deron Williams too in a perfect world- to give us another outside threat for Dwight to dump to.

It's like the version of the Atlanta Hawks that they've always wanted.

Don't really have to keep Johnson, amnesty him if we must, but he could fit well in Doc's system taking over for Pierce. (bit younger, more athletic).
Waive him at the end of the season if it's not working out.
We still have our young picks and a veteran team that can definitely go head to head with Chicago and MIA.


I don't think you can amnesty players you've traded for this season.

You are correct. So we would keep Williams for one year then erase him, or do the same with Johnson.
I like taking on Johnson because he is a definite scoring threat for a year to see how things work out. Waive him if things don't work out.

Just an idea if we really want Howard to consider coming over.
In this scenario we could even move Johnson+picks for another nice piece or a top 15 pick potentially after his first year.

I believe you can only amnesty players that were already signed before new new cba and only teams who had them under contract at the time the new CBA was signed can amnesty that player. So anyone who signed a new contract or was traded to a new team this year and in the future can not be amnestied .     

rondhondo is correct.  amnesty is only for players who were on your team under contract at the time of the signing of the new CBA.
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Re: Ainge's Strategy going forward
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 09:57:09 AM »

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Well one idea to lure Dwight is to move KG for Smith. In turn we take on Smith + Marvin Williams contract and then amnesty Williams. He's only $7.5 per but it's three years.
If Danny wants to make a legit run at Dwight Howard this is a great way to do it. We could even instead take on Joe Johnson and ask Atlanta for a 2014 first round pick+Smith+Johnson so they can begin their own rebuild. We would have to move Pierce for a pick or a young piece too.
Try a year with

Rondo
Johnson
Jeff Green
Josh Smith
Dwight Howard.

plus our two first rounders
+Atlantas first rounder.
Rondo could be turned into Deron Williams too in a perfect world- to give us another outside threat for Dwight to dump to.

It's like the version of the Atlanta Hawks that they've always wanted.

Don't really have to keep Johnson, amnesty him if we must, but he could fit well in Doc's system taking over for Pierce. (bit younger, more athletic).
Waive him at the end of the season if it's not working out.
We still have our young picks and a veteran team that can definitely go head to head with Chicago and MIA.


I don't think you can amnesty players you've traded for this season.

You are correct. So we would keep Williams for one year then erase him, or do the same with Johnson.
I like taking on Johnson because he is a definite scoring threat for a year to see how things work out. Waive him if things don't work out.

Just an idea if we really want Howard to consider coming over.
In this scenario we could even move Johnson+picks for another nice piece or a top 15 pick potentially after his first year.

I believe you can only amnesty players that were already signed before new new cba and only teams who had them under contract at the time the new CBA was signed can amnesty that player. So anyone who signed a new contract or was traded to a new team this year and in the future can not be amnestied .     

rondhondo is correct.  amnesty is only for players who were on your team under contract at the time of the signing of the new CBA.

Wow I had no idea. I thought it was a smart way for teams to take on salary and use it to maneuver trades. There goes that dream then....
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Ainge's Strategy going forward
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2012, 12:36:49 PM »

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if you look at the players Ainge is looking at: beasley, Josh Smith

and they are players who can run the break and are athletic.

if ainge can somehow acquire 1 of the 2(or even josh smith) that puts us in a better position to pitch to free agents to come to boston...with Josh smith/Rondo you have 2 allstar calibar players


Rondo, Bradley, Beasley, Smith, JJJ, maybe Green

I'd be happy if that's what we had to start with going into next season.  That might even be somewhat enticing to Dwight Howard.

it would be a better package than the Nets could put together IMO..they basically can offer him williams and thats about it


Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, Marshon Brooks, Anthony Morrow, top 5 draft pick (plus another first)

I'd rather go to Brooklyn.  Not only is Williams the best player of those two teams, they still have Lopez and Humphries to take some pressure off down low (Petro as well) and whomever they land with their top five pick. 
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Re: Ainge's Strategy going forward
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2012, 12:45:51 PM »

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I think these next few games before the deadline are going to determine what Danny does at the deadline.  We have 7 games before March 15th and here is who we play:

 Sun 04    vs New York (18-18)      
 Tue 06    vs Houston (21-16)           
 Wed 07    @ Philadelphia (22-15)        
 Fri 09    vs Portland (18-19)          
 Sun 11    @ LA Lakers (22-14)           
 Mon 12    @ LA Clippers (21-13)            
 Wed 14    @ Golden State (14-19)           


That is as tough a stretch of games this team will face the rest of the season.  The only two team we clearly have a record advantage over (GS) we play in the middle of an 8 game road swing.

In my opinion, they have to go 3-1 against NY/Hou/Philly/Port.  2-2 at worst.  If they go into that road stretch losing 3 of 4, I think Danny will pull the trigger on either Ray or KG (or both.)

It will be interesting if the Celtics get on a run though, and say go 5-2 over this stretch.  Does that make your players even more valuable on the market, or is that evidence this team is coming together and will be a threat in the playoffs?