Better at 21: Avery Bradley or Rajon Rondo ?

[GrandTheftRondo]

This thread is hilarious.

[snively]

Rondo has the edge, but I think Bradley is a better defender and a better shooter.  Bradley has improved his offensive skills much faster than Rondo.  Rondo is still an inconsistent offensive player and he is in his 5th year (or is it 6th?).

It's easy to improve when you set the bar so low.  Bradley may have been the worst offensive player in the league last year.  He's improved to well-below-average but serviceable offensively.

Couldn't that be said for RR, I mean you gotta basically beg RR to take a jumper (shoot) and he is 26 now!! RR isn't bad at shooting jumpers but you wanna cry b/c he doesn't shoot! I mean he got 15 last night (I think 1pt from the line) and all were less than 3ft layups! How was RR shooting at 21 (which is what this is about)?

What this is about was who was a better prospect at 21, not who was a better shooter.  Gabe Pruitt was a better shooter @ 21.  Didn't make him a better prospect.

Rondo did set the bar low for his jump-shooting, but he set the bar much higher in many other areas.  He was a capable player in his first year.

Bradley was a nightmarishly bad player, not just jump-shooter, in his first year.

[Evantime34]

At 21, Rondo was the much better rebounder, slasher, passer and playmaker, and a similarly disruptive defender (not so much with his man D as with his ability to get steals and deflection in the team defense).

Bradley is the better man defender, and looks to be a little better as a mid-range jump-shooter.

Rondo was a better prospect at the same age.  Showed all-star potential contingent on his development as a jump-shooter and his maturation as a play-maker.  Bradley's potential seems to be more in line with the Derek Fisher/Tony Allen standard of high-level roleplayer.

I'd say Bradley is a better man and help defender. Even though Rondo does get steals he gambles too much and often swipes at the ball instead of moving his feet.

Bradley's jumper is much better, it looks better and goes in more. When Rondo was 21 he didn't even try to shoot that jumper  in games.

I think Bradley's ceiling is higher than Tony Allen (better jumper less bonehead plays), Derick Fisher (much better athleticism). If you look at his improvement from last year to this it is a good indicator of his work ethic and ability to improve. Not sure I can think of a good comp right now but I think it's much higher than that level.

You can't just focus on Bradley's positives when projecting his development.  Bradley's jumper looks a little better than TA's did, and he's sticking to his limits a little better, but TA was a more versatile defender, a much better rebounder and a much better slasher.  Bradley's jumper needs to be much better than TA's to have a comparable impact.

When tony allen was 21 he was still in college, so comparing a college player in ta to a second year youngin in bradley isn't exactly fair.

[clover]

At 21, Rondo was the much better rebounder, slasher, passer and playmaker, and a similarly disruptive defender (not so much with his man D as with his ability to get steals and deflection in the team defense).

Bradley is the better man defender, and looks to be a little better as a mid-range jump-shooter.

Rondo was a better prospect at the same age.  Showed all-star potential contingent on his development as a jump-shooter and his maturation as a play-maker.  Bradley's potential seems to be more in line with the Derek Fisher/Tony Allen standard of high-level roleplayer.

I'd say Bradley is a better man and help defender. Even though Rondo does get steals he gambles too much and often swipes at the ball instead of moving his feet.

Bradley's jumper is much better, it looks better and goes in more. When Rondo was 21 he didn't even try to shoot that jumper  in games.

I think Bradley's ceiling is higher than Tony Allen (better jumper less bonehead plays), Derick Fisher (much better athleticism). If you look at his improvement from last year to this it is a good indicator of his work ethic and ability to improve. Not sure I can think of a good comp right now but I think it's much higher than that level.

Hey, who's to say Bradley's the better man! 

[hwangjini_1]

i have been a supporter of bradley for a while, but this thread is humorous.

no contest. rondo was better, is better, and will continue to be better as a pg.

i think bradley will be a serviceable, perhaps even good, nba guard. but i dont see him being an all star.

[snively]

At 21, Rondo was the much better rebounder, slasher, passer and playmaker, and a similarly disruptive defender (not so much with his man D as with his ability to get steals and deflection in the team defense).

Bradley is the better man defender, and looks to be a little better as a mid-range jump-shooter.

Rondo was a better prospect at the same age.  Showed all-star potential contingent on his development as a jump-shooter and his maturation as a play-maker.  Bradley's potential seems to be more in line with the Derek Fisher/Tony Allen standard of high-level roleplayer.

I'd say Bradley is a better man and help defender. Even though Rondo does get steals he gambles too much and often swipes at the ball instead of moving his feet.

Bradley's jumper is much better, it looks better and goes in more. When Rondo was 21 he didn't even try to shoot that jumper  in games.

I think Bradley's ceiling is higher than Tony Allen (better jumper less bonehead plays), Derick Fisher (much better athleticism). If you look at his improvement from last year to this it is a good indicator of his work ethic and ability to improve. Not sure I can think of a good comp right now but I think it's much higher than that level.

You can't just focus on Bradley's positives when projecting his development.  Bradley's jumper looks a little better than TA's did, and he's sticking to his limits a little better, but TA was a more versatile defender, a much better rebounder and a much better slasher.  Bradley's jumper needs to be much better than TA's to have a comparable impact.

When tony allen was 21 he was still in college, so comparing a college player in ta to a second year youngin in bradley isn't exactly fair.

TA in college was a better slasher than Bradley was.

[LooseCannon]

The thing with him is that his success depends on whether he can play the point or not.

I think his success may depend a lot on whether he can establish three-point range.  I think he can defend against SGs who have a few inches on him.

I still see Bradley as someone who has a chance of developing into sort of a poor man's Monta Ellis or Ben Gordon, someone who can score but unlike them won't take over the game on offense, with better shot selection and above-average defense despite being undersized for a shooting guard.

[jasail]

Bradley is a better on ball defender and a better shooter.  However, Rondo has one attribute that will set him apart from Bradley, no matter how well developed Bradley's skill set becomes and that is his BBIQ; it's what makes Rondo a floor general and the reason why 3 HOFers differ to him.

[BballTim]

Bradley is a better on ball defender and a better shooter.  However, Rondo has one attribute that will set him apart from Bradley, no matter how well developed Bradley's skill set becomes and that is his BBIQ; it's what makes Rondo a floor general and the reason why 3 HOFers differ to him.

  Bradley may or may not be a better on ball defender, Rondo was the better overall defender. He was also much more of an impact player on offense.

[Celtics4ever]

Rondo is and was better.     They play PG and the primary mission of a PG is to get the ball to others.   Rondo is heads and shoulders better than Avery at passing.   Avery is a good on the ball defender.  Rondo is too when he decides to do it.  Neither are great shooters.   

There is a spot for both of them here.   I would not mind seeing them play together.  Avery needs some work to play SG on his shot.   But I think he could defend most SG despite his height.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

THAT has to be a joke...Rondo is incredibly better that bradley. Bradley is coming around as a player...but no way near rondo.

[cman88]

Bradley is a comboguard...more SG than PG..I think he will come around in scoring and be a nice backup PG/sg spark off the bench...but I dont think he can become the player rondo is(just playmaking wise IMO)

bradley seems timid offensively but he definitely is starting to find a nice jumper, and has the speed to drive past his man to the basket(but hasnt so far too much)