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The "rebuild" plan
« on: January 15, 2012, 12:33:37 PM »

Offline winsomme

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I have seen lots of pleads for "rebuilding" but I have seen few plans that make sense to me.

I would love to target DH and DWill in the offseason but unloading KG, Ray, etc doesn't seem like it would make the Cs a more attractive destination.

I also have been intrigued by somehow trading Rondo and picks for DWill and then using him as a way to ultimately grab KLove. but again I would think Ray and KG would be nice pieces to add around them for relatively short money.

anyway, the main question I have is who are the players around the league that are worth the big money because you could build a legit contender around them. Some are good enough that you could think of building off of them as an individual piece others IMO need a second co-building piece along with them. all in all, it doesn't seem like there are that many out there..

Kobe (still a main building block to a Title IMO)
LeBron (questions about mental toughness but still a top 5 player)
Wade (already a winner)
DRose (the new class of franchise players)
Durant (same)
Dirk (easily could be added to make a winner)
DWill (same)
Dwight (clearly the #1 target to build a winner right now)
Carmelo (time will tell)
CP3 (same)
Blake Griffen
Amare (both him and Blake might be that co-building piece type of player)
KLove (not sure how many pieces need to be around him for the team to be a legit contender)

other than these guys (leaving out the Cs), I'm not sure who I would be excited to try and build a franchise around. I made this list quickly so I may have left some out.

who else would be exciting to build a team around?

Re: The "rebuild" plan
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 12:38:42 PM »

Offline pearljammer10

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Duncan probably isnt on that list anymore but you could make a pursuasive argument... Duncan has the winners mentality and the it factor that it takes to win games. If you built a team around him with 4 young talents, he wouldnt be able to carry it himself, but his presence alone would make that a playoff team easily.

Re: The "rebuild" plan
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 01:01:59 PM »

Offline Celtics18

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Rondo.
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: The "rebuild" plan
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 02:41:21 PM »

Offline Marcus13

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best case scenario?  Let everyone go who's contract is up and sign Eric Gordon and Kevin Love.

The likelihood of that happening is very low, but is indeed POSSIBLE

Re: The "rebuild" plan
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 05:14:11 PM »

Offline slamtheking

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Rebuild plan that's reasonable and makes the most sense:

Move KG, Ray and JO to contenders looking for that last piece of the puzzle.  Preferably in separate deals to maximize the returns.  Since they're all expiring deals, it's not like the C's could move them for shorter deals or good young players on good contracts. 

The likeliest scenario is Danny trades each of those 3 for players with less-than-desirable contracts that run 1 year longer and get back a draft pick for taking the contract off the other team's hands.  No GM will likely give up a 1st rounder, even a late one, for these 3 without the C's also taking some bad contract with it.

The FA's available this coming offseason aren't terribly inspiring.  We have a terrific PG so Deron isn't as big a prize.  Dwight isn't coming here.  All other UFA's are mediocre or past their primes.  There's some good RFA's but no way their current teams don't match any offers.

It's the summer of 2013 where there's a much deeper crop of UFA"s and RFA's that Danny could use to pair with Rondo for a good run.  Think of picking up James Harden and Blake Griffin that year.  Both OKC and the Clips have at least a pair of high-salary players that they'll have to figure out what to do with in order to afford retainining those 2.  (granted Clips would have to be idiots to let Griffin go but Harden is a very real possibility).

Consider a foundation of Rondo, Green (resigned), Bass (resigned), PP (coming to the end of his contract and hopefully still a bench contributor), JJJ (who's hopefully been given the time to develop), Moore (same as JJJ --> this kid looks like he could very well provide more than what Dooling provides),
2 1st rounders in this year's deep draft (C's and Clips),
their own decent 2nd rounder from this coming draft (and possibly Milwaukee's 2nd rounder too),
their own 1st round from the next draft as well and 2 2nd that year (C's and Minny's).
Add in whatever picks they can grab from dealing Ray, KG and JO and that's a lot of assets to either rebuild with or to use in trades to get established all-stars.

just my 2 cents

Re: The "rebuild" plan
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 06:45:02 PM »

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If I were Danny Ainge, this would be my rebuild plan...

I woul keep the team as is for the rest of the season. Come draft time, depending on where we land, I would either keep both our picks, or trade up to get in to the 11-16 range. If we kept both our picks, I would take a 2 guard (Jeremy Lamb, Brad Beal, Austin Rivers) and a Center (Patric Young, Meyers Leonard).

Come free agency I would go after Dwight of course, Eric Gordon, Kevin Love. If one of those somehow works out, great, if not, wait for 2013 free agency. I would not go after borderline all stars to stay relevant. I would stick with our new rookies and definetly resign Jeff Green and, if Ray is willing to take a hometown discount, him as well. Come 2013, I would certainly go after the big names in a big way.

With the success of Indiana, Denver, Portland, and Philly, it is becoming apparent that you don't need 2+ superstars to beat the heat or OKC. You need a team with 5 good starters, and a lot of depth. I think Danny can and should do this.

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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 06:49:07 PM »

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rebuild plan:

-- get really bad.

-- compile as many draft picks as possible, aim for the high lottery.

-- hope to God you get a superstar in the draft.

-- if / when you finally do, go about building your team around that player, catering to their strengths and weaknesses.

-- hope you can compete for and win a title during that player's prime years.

-- when that run is over, rinse and repeat.



that's how rebuilding works in the NBA, unless you are a big market / warm weather city, in which case you can hope to entice big name free agents.
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Re: The "rebuild" plan
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 06:49:49 PM »

Offline ianboyextreme

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If I were Danny Ainge, this would be my rebuild plan...

I woul keep the team as is for the rest of the season. Come draft time, depending on where we land, I would either keep both our picks, or trade up to get in to the 11-16 range. If we kept both our picks, I would take a 2 guard (Jeremy Lamb, Brad Beal, Austin Rivers) and a Center (Patric Young, Meyers Leonard).

Come free agency I would go after Dwight of course, Eric Gordon, Kevin Love. If one of those somehow works out, great, if not, wait for 2013 free agency. I would not go after borderline all stars to stay relevant. I would stick with our new rookies and definetly resign Jeff Green and, if Ray is willing to take a hometown discount, him as well. Come 2013, I would certainly go after the big names in a big way.

With the success of Indiana, Denver, Portland, and Philly, it is becoming apparent that you don't need 2+ superstars to beat the heat or OKC. You need a team with 5 good starters, and a lot of depth. I think Danny can and should do this.
I def like the idea of aquiring more draft picks.

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 06:53:10 PM »

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rebuild plan:

-- get really bad.

-- compile as many draft picks as possible, aim for the high lottery.

-- hope to God you get a superstar in the draft.

-- if / when you finally do, go about building your team around that player, catering to their strengths and weaknesses.

-- hope you can compete for and win a title during that player's prime years.

-- when that run is over, rinse and repeat.



that's how rebuilding works in the NBA, unless you are a big market / warm weather city, in which case you can hope to entice big name free agents.

Hope you get a superstar like Paul Pierce or Dirk Nowitzki (who would always have been considered second level superstars until their teams won titles) or Rajon Rondo and build a team around that player. 
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson