what's the deal with Chris Wilcox?

[pearljammer10]

He was hurt, the Steimsma stepped in and provided good minutes so hes taking up the few minutes for that spot at the moment... It appeared Wilcox was pretty winded coming in. There was something about him saying that he's never been on a team that works so hard and practices were really kicking his butt. So maybe that has something to do with things. Otherwise, Bass is just playing better at the moment and is taking the bigs minutes in the rotation.

[Inside-Out]

He was hurt, the Steimsma stepped in and provided good minutes so hes taking up the few minutes for that spot at the moment... It appeared Wilcox was pretty winded coming in. There was something about him saying that he's never been on a team that works so hard and practices were really kicking his butt. So maybe that has something to do with things. Otherwise, Bass is just playing better at the moment and is taking the bigs minutes in the rotation.

We'll see what that comes up to in about a month or so.  Can he develop the conditioning and discipline to contribute to a winning team?

It'd be the first time.

[gar]

i have an under the radar trade that should work perfectly for the celtics....trade jajuan johnson (unfortunately), e. moore, and chris wilcox to cleveland for anderson varejao. you can start varejao and have o'neal come off the bench, your starting line-up would be rondo,allen,pierce,kg,varejao which is killer..they would run the floor way better and kg would have someone who is actually capable and healthy enough to help with the defensive schemes and someone else who gets under everyones skin. it's a perfect fit. then the bench would be dooling,peitrus,daniels,bass, and o'neal...perfect starting line-up and perfect reserve rotation.

Great for the C's not sure what is in it for Cleveland. Varejao is pivotal for their team for rebounding and defense.

[Sketch5]

i have an under the radar trade that should work perfectly for the celtics....trade jajuan johnson (unfortunately), e. moore, and chris wilcox to cleveland for anderson varejao. you can start varejao and have o'neal come off the bench, your starting line-up would be rondo,allen,pierce,kg,varejao which is killer..they would run the floor way better and kg would have someone who is actually capable and healthy enough to help with the defensive schemes and someone else who gets under everyones skin. it's a perfect fit. then the bench would be dooling,peitrus,daniels,bass, and o'neal...perfect starting line-up and perfect reserve rotation.

Great for the C's not sure what is in it for Cleveland. Varejao is pivotal for their team for rebounding and defense.

I think you would have to throw in a pick with that one to. to up it throw in JO and get Jameson. Cleveland is rebuilding, they might go for it in a  month... Probably not, but would be nice.

[Change]

what were people's expectations? Wilcox spend all of his career on lottery teams

[snively]

Wilcox is a journeyman center/PF who has never done much in this league. The last two years, there were many games he never got off the bench for the woeful Pistons. We are getting the real Chris Wilcox. Sorry, he just isn't that good.

It's true that Wilcox is a journeyman.  It's not true that we're getting the "real" Wilcox.

Wilcox's career per 36 averages (which he mimicked almost identically last year in Detroit) are 15 pts and 9 boards on .560 TS%.  Thus far this year we're getting 5 pts and 9 boards on .400 TS%.

The big difference is FGAs.  He's gotten them everywhere else he's played (career average of 12 per 36).  Here he's getting 5. 

Our bench guards cannot get their bigs the ball, especially a pick and roll, post-up big like Wilcox. 

I think it's fair to say that Wilcox isn't (and never had been) very good, AND our bench guards aren't very good at setting anybody up.  It's not an either/or situation; it's both.

I think it's more accurate to say that Wilcox is better than he's shown and the bench guards' play-making deficiencies are some of the reasons why (being out of shape and adjusting to new teammates the others).

[kozlodoev]

I think it's more accurate to say that Wilcox is better than he's shown and the bench guards' play-making deficiencies are some of the reasons why (being out of shape and adjusting to new teammates the others).

He was expected to play defense and rebound, which doesn't depend much on the playmakers. He hasn't provided much of either.

[Fafnir]

I think it's more accurate to say that Wilcox is better than he's shown and the bench guards' play-making deficiencies are some of the reasons why (being out of shape and adjusting to new teammates the others).

He was expected to play defense and rebound, which doesn't depend much on the playmakers. He hasn't provided much of either.

To rebound and finish on offense was my expectation, he's always been a sketchy defender.

Hopefully he'll turn it around.

[vinnie]

Wilcox is a journeyman center/PF who has never done much in this league. The last two years, there were many games he never got off the bench for the woeful Pistons. We are getting the real Chris Wilcox. Sorry, he just isn't that good.

It's true that Wilcox is a journeyman.  It's not true that we're getting the "real" Wilcox.

Wilcox's career per 36 averages (which he mimicked almost identically last year in Detroit) are 15 pts and 9 boards on .560 TS%.  Thus far this year we're getting 5 pts and 9 boards on .400 TS%.

The big difference is FGAs.  He's gotten them everywhere else he's played (career average of 12 per 36).  Here he's getting 5. 

Our bench guards cannot get their bigs the ball, especially a pick and roll, post-up big like Wilcox. 

I think it's fair to say that Wilcox isn't (and never had been) very good, AND our bench guards aren't very good at setting anybody up.  It's not an either/or situation; it's both.

I think it's more accurate to say that Wilcox is better than he's shown and the bench guards' play-making deficiencies are some of the reasons why (being out of shape and adjusting to new teammates the others).

Why is it more accurate to say this?

[snively]

Wilcox is a journeyman center/PF who has never done much in this league. The last two years, there were many games he never got off the bench for the woeful Pistons. We are getting the real Chris Wilcox. Sorry, he just isn't that good.

It's true that Wilcox is a journeyman.  It's not true that we're getting the "real" Wilcox.

Wilcox's career per 36 averages (which he mimicked almost identically last year in Detroit) are 15 pts and 9 boards on .560 TS%.  Thus far this year we're getting 5 pts and 9 boards on .400 TS%.

The big difference is FGAs.  He's gotten them everywhere else he's played (career average of 12 per 36).  Here he's getting 5. 

Our bench guards cannot get their bigs the ball, especially a pick and roll, post-up big like Wilcox. 

I think it's fair to say that Wilcox isn't (and never had been) very good, AND our bench guards aren't very good at setting anybody up.  It's not an either/or situation; it's both.

I think it's more accurate to say that Wilcox is better than he's shown and the bench guards' play-making deficiencies are some of the reasons why (being out of shape and adjusting to new teammates the others).

Why is it more accurate to say this?

I don't see why this is so hard to understand.  He's averaging 10ppg per 36 less than he has for his career (and less than he did last year).

The Wilcox we're seeing (offensively) is not the player he's been for his entire career.

[snively]

I think it's more accurate to say that Wilcox is better than he's shown and the bench guards' play-making deficiencies are some of the reasons why (being out of shape and adjusting to new teammates the others).

He was expected to play defense and rebound, which doesn't depend much on the playmakers. He hasn't provided much of either.

Doc stated upon his signing that they liked the idea of him running the floor with Rondo.  No one signs Wilcox for his defense.  He's an interior scoring specialist with solid rebounding ability.

[vinnie]

Wilcox is a journeyman center/PF who has never done much in this league. The last two years, there were many games he never got off the bench for the woeful Pistons. We are getting the real Chris Wilcox. Sorry, he just isn't that good.

It's true that Wilcox is a journeyman.  It's not true that we're getting the "real" Wilcox.

Wilcox's career per 36 averages (which he mimicked almost identically last year in Detroit) are 15 pts and 9 boards on .560 TS%.  Thus far this year we're getting 5 pts and 9 boards on .400 TS%.

The big difference is FGAs.  He's gotten them everywhere else he's played (career average of 12 per 36).  Here he's getting 5. 

Our bench guards cannot get their bigs the ball, especially a pick and roll, post-up big like Wilcox. 

I think it's fair to say that Wilcox isn't (and never had been) very good, AND our bench guards aren't very good at setting anybody up.  It's not an either/or situation; it's both.

I think it's more accurate to say that Wilcox is better than he's shown and the bench guards' play-making deficiencies are some of the reasons why (being out of shape and adjusting to new teammates the others).

Why is it more accurate to say this?

I don't see why this is so hard to understand.  He's averaging 10ppg per 36 less than he has for his career (and less than he did last year).

The Wilcox we're seeing (offensively) is not the player he's been for his entire career.

I am still trying to understand why he spent so many games on the bench in Detroit. Although after watching him, I think I know why.

[kozlodoev]

I think it's more accurate to say that Wilcox is better than he's shown and the bench guards' play-making deficiencies are some of the reasons why (being out of shape and adjusting to new teammates the others).

He was expected to play defense and rebound, which doesn't depend much on the playmakers. He hasn't provided much of either.

Doc stated upon his signing that they liked the idea of him running the floor with Rondo.  No one signs Wilcox for his defense.  He's an interior scoring specialist with solid rebounding ability.

Maybe, but everyone on the Celtics is expected to defend.

[Who]

Wilcox isn't that bad of a defender at the four. He is awful at the five though.