Danny, please maximize this teams chance this year!

[PosImpos]

the trade is more an attempt to win-now, yes, but we also get two starter-quality role players on reasonable deals that we could keep or move. 

gortat and dudley are useful in that they won't win a team any games on their own, but they are quality pieces on a team with talent. 

we also could probably squeeze PHX for their 1st rounder, which is likely to be a mid to late lotto pick. 

Rajon Rondo is more valuable than all of those assets you refer to as he's a high level young player on affordable deal. Those sort of players are hard to find.

Your idea doesn't tie up cap space or leave us with any bad players/contracts to shed like most win now moves. But it doesn't leave us better off than we would be with Rondo.

The idea that Rondo's too good for us to get draft picks to put a contender around him is silly. There are other ways of acquiring players than just high lottery picks. Better to try and build around Rondo first, rather than give him up and hope you get kind ping pong balls.

i think we just have a different philosophy as far as rebuilding goes.

[Fafnir]

the trade is more an attempt to win-now, yes, but we also get two starter-quality role players on reasonable deals that we could keep or move.  

gortat and dudley are useful in that they won't win a team any games on their own, but they are quality pieces on a team with talent.  

we also could probably squeeze PHX for their 1st rounder, which is likely to be a mid to late lotto pick.  

Rajon Rondo is more valuable than all of those assets you refer to as he's a high level young player on affordable deal. Those sort of players are hard to find.

Your idea doesn't tie up cap space or leave us with any bad players/contracts to shed like most win now moves. But it doesn't leave us better off than we would be with Rondo.

The idea that Rondo's too good for us to get draft picks to put a contender around him is silly. There are other ways of acquiring players than just high lottery picks. Better to try and build around Rondo first, rather than give him up and hope you get kind ping pong balls.

i think we just have a different philosophy as far as rebuilding goes.

Yeah you'd take certain losing for uncertain draft picks over a 27 year old all-star. He's not to old for DA to take a few more years to build a roster around him and still be a very valuable player.

If you have a prospect in the draft you think is an MVP level guy, then go ahead and move him. DA tried to get that done in the Portland trade of PP for the CP3 pick and Nick van Excel. But that's a very different sort of trade than the type that's proposed  right now without the draft order being known.

If you have a top 10 pick and it turned out to be a player as good as Rondo you should be estatic about it. Sometimes drafts produce better than that if you have the right pick in the right year, but its not a given.

[LB3533]

If Green is a no-go this year, I'm gonna keep pushing this trade:


Rondo + Bass + JO + BOS 2012 1st Round Pick

for

Nash + Dudley + Gortat


Makes sense for both teams.  We could even sweeten it by throwing in Avery Bradley and taking back Shannon Brown.

Win now, rebuild after this season is over, and we'd have two quality young players on reasonable contracts moving forward (easy to trade or keep).

This trade is genius and puts us in a much better position to win the title, this year.

Nash > Rondo

Bass = Dudley (but I like Dudley's game better)

Gortat > Bass

We give up a 1st rounder, but we receive a greater chance at winning #18.

[vinnie]

If Jeff Green is out, they have basically no shot at a championship. I put their chances at 100-to-1 prior to this Green thing going down. Unfortunately, there really isn't anything Danny can do to "maximize" the chances this year. It is going to be a difficult season, especially if their 6th man is gone. But, they will make the playoffs and perhaps win a first round series.

[Celtics4ever]

Nash is pretty old don't you think?  Yeah he is good but how many years does he have left?   Not many I wager so I for one do not like this trade.  The rebuild would have very little assests and be slow and agonizing with this trade.

[PosImpos]

Nash is pretty old don't you think?  Yeah he is good but how many years does he have left?   Not many I wager so I for one do not like this trade.  The rebuild would have very little assests and be slow and agonizing with this trade.

rebuilding is slow and agonizing regardless, but being a bottom 5 team with a shot at #1 is likely less slow and agonizing than being a bottom 15 team picking around 11 or 12 every year.


my philosophy is if you don't have a young superstar to build around and you aren't contending you're probably just going to be in NBA purgatory for multiple years.  NBA purgatory is not a good place to be.  i'd rather get a top 5 lottery pick than be a 7th or 8th seed every time (unless the team is young and on its way to a top seed in a couple years).

the only way to success on that route is to draft really, really well over a number of years and hope to find the right opportunity to trade for a few stars that are nearing the end of their prime (i.e. what DA did and what Daryl Morey has been trying unsuccessfully to do for the past few years).

[tyrone biggums]

If Green is a no-go this year, I'm gonna keep pushing this trade:


Rondo + Bass + JO + BOS 2012 1st Round Pick

for

Nash + Dudley + Gortat


Makes sense for both teams.  We could even sweeten it by throwing in Avery Bradley and taking back Shannon Brown.

Win now, rebuild after this season is over, and we'd have two quality young players on reasonable contracts moving forward (easy to trade or keep).

Can Bass get traded? I mean I thought there was a 30 day window on these things. But I think it would be an okay move for the middle of the season anyways.

[Smokeeye123]

Ainge has done all he can to maximize the C's chances of winning this year...We almost got Chris Paul/David West.

I really like Ainge as a GM. He is does any move, ANY move, if he thinks it makes the team better. I say within the next 5 years we have another solid championship competing lineup.

[wdleehi]

I am not a big fan of the Rondo for Nash trade. 

I am a big fan of Gortat.


I fear the switch from Nash to Rondo will kill the Celtics in the playoffs against players like Rose and Williams (if they get Howard in time to make a run) 

Those players will get their numbers against either PG, but Rondo will make them work harder.  Rondo will also be able to better stay in front of them (when not going for the steal) thus putting less pressure (and foul trouble) on a thin front court (in terms of depth)

Ainge has done all he can to maximize the C's chances of winning this year...We almost got Chris Paul/David West.

I really like Ainge as a GM. He is does any move, ANY move, if he thinks it makes the team better. I say within the next 5 years we have another solid championship competing lineup.

I do believe Ainge is exploring these moves to improve the teams chances this season.  These particular moves also preserve the future. 

Unfortunately, I think moves like this are drying up. 


The moves I want to see are the moves that build around the 4 stars on this team without worrying so much about the future.