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Re: What would the NBA look like with no salary cap?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2011, 10:04:53 PM »

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Re: What would the NBA look like with no salary cap?
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2011, 10:12:46 PM »

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Re: What would the NBA look like with no salary cap?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2011, 07:14:30 AM »

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The NBA with no salary cap would look a lot like European soccer leagues and, to a lesser extent, Euro basketball leagues as well.

The big market teams would be on top ad infinitum.  The smaller teams would have no hope of keeping superstars past their rookie contracts, signing any big free agents, or competing for anything much more than a playoff spot.  Maybe if some super rich owner really liked a particular city, and was willing to invest their own money (at a loss), an occasional small city would have success.  Otherwise it would be rare.

Personally, I have no problem with that.  If the owners don't want to share their money with each other, that's their problem.  They shouldn't be artifically limiting player salaries.  It's just wrong.

America is weird.  We belive in a free-market, but, want our sports to be socialistic, where all teams/cities have a chance to compete but at the expense of workers (players) earning a fair market value for their labor.  These are illegal labor practices absent collective bargaining.  Personally, I find it sickening.

It seems to me individual teams are either competing businesses or part of one business entity (league).  They can't be both.  If sports leagues want a level playing field for all teams, then that is a more of a single entity league (the MLS is like this).  In that case, all league revenues should be shared equally among all teams.  If the leagues want their teams to be competeing businesses, then they need to accept certain teams will always be disadvantaged.

If you set a salary cap at a level low enough for the lower revenue generating teams to compete and make money, the larger revenue generating teams will then be limited in what they can spend.  This ends up resulting in money that the larger revenue generating teams would have otherwise spent on player salaries instead going straight back into the owners pockets.  That is wrong and what player in their right mind would ever agree to those kind labor terms.

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Re: What would the NBA look like with no salary cap?
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2011, 09:48:28 AM »

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It wouldn't look much different really.  I mean since 79-80, only 9 teams have won a NBA title and half of those are from the Lakers and Bulls.

I mean it isn't like Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, and Rose are all going to want to play on the same team even if they could.  There aren't enough basketballs to go around in that situation, but 5-10 teams will always have the best talent, which just isn't different then now.
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Re: What would the NBA look like with no salary cap?
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Everyone would want to play in LA and the Lakers would have like 30 championships by now. In other words, ugly. Really, really ugly.

Re: What would the NBA look like with no salary cap?
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2011, 11:03:47 AM »

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Mark Cuban would sign every player in the league to maximum 10 year contracts. It would probably look a lot like baseball, or European soccer, the same teams competing every year. It would all come down to markets that could support spending, and those would simply be the larger markets. A place like OKC would be devastated, they have a rabid fanbase (that stole a franchise), but when it came down to dollars they could never fund a contender, there just wouldn't be enough revenue.

Having said that, it works in other sports, I mean it's great when small markets win, and it's good for true fans everywhere that just want to see the best team win, but it's very bad for the league. When San Antonio wins, the NBA loses, why else would they fix series for LA to win  ;), it means more money. This is why they are so desperate for NY to be competitive, when the big markets win the league wins.

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2011, 12:23:00 PM »

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Would there be no union either?  If there was no union would there be a draft?  Imagine no draft too?  My head is going to explode!
It's freakin basketball anarchy!!!!!!!!!!!

Now picture no contracts either.  It's a game-by-game basis.

Tony Allen is getting about 61k a game (about 5m a year), has a few of good games in row putting up 20ppg, 5rpg, 5apg, 50% from the floor.  Sacramento needs some scoring from the 2, so they offer him 122k to play for them tomorrow.  He stinks, puts up like 2ppg, on 15% shooting, with 4 turnovers per game for like 2 games, and Sacramento decides they don't want him back anymore.  Now he has to decide between a 20k offer to play for Minnesota in 2 days, or go back to Memphis for 12k on the same day.  When you’re playing good everybody in the league wants to sign you, when you’re playing bad nobody wants to sign you.  Now if players are slacking on the court, it's really going to hurt them, so they have to come to play every game.

What keeps some player stability is knowing that they produce best playing with familiar guys and knowing the team’s plays.  Rondo knows he’ll produce best playing with Ray, Paul, and KG who he’s played with for years.  Big Baby thinks he should have a bigger role, he can try the market, go play with another team for a few games, see his value drop when he doesn’t produce as a starter, realize the grass really isn’t greener over there, and come back to the C’s for bench player money all within a couple of weeks.

Guys like Eddy Curry aren't getting paid because they haven't produced in years.

No players complaining about being underpaid, no fans complaining players about players being overpaid to be on the injured list or sit on the end of the bench or be out of shape (because if any of this happens that aren’t getting paid.  Although there would probably be some league wide insurance policy for injured players, but paid by the league or union and not by the teams).

A young guy with a lot of energy trying to make a name for himself, could split games between 2 or 3 teams.  Picture a hungry and healthy Leon Powe, maybe plays 10 minutes with the Celtics today but they have 3 days off in a row, to get some more time he goes and plays a game with the Knicks, then comes back to the Celtics for their next game.  Want to play a lot of games, you can.  Want to play less (old veterans who have established themselves) , maybe don’t want to play a back-to-back, then you can choose not to play.

Talk about the ultimate free market.  The league would just be like a giant pick up game.  Kind of cool to think about (although I know there are a ton of flaws/holes to be patched).

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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2011, 01:49:07 PM »

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Add a union,revenue(profit)sharing it probably could work.Having the highest payrolls doesn't gaurantee anything...mlb's 2010 SF Giants proved that. .

Re: What would the NBA look like with no salary cap?
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2011, 02:16:54 PM »

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I disagree with the baseball analogy, and I definitely disagree with the comment that the Giants proved it can work (for basketball).

The Giants proved something that has been known for quite some time - Having some good pitchers get hot can be enough to carry you through the playoffs.

Basketball is very different.  Baseball teams that lose Free Agents get compensated with high draft picks.  Baseball teams also have a very deep minor league system, which allows for young guys to mature & become capable of playing in the majors.

W/o a salary cap (in basketball) the top teams would indeed consistenly compete and the poor teams would stay bad.  Moreover, the poor teams would eventually go broke since most of their revenue would come when the good teams would be in town.  The league would likely contract by 8 teams.

Lastly, I disagree about the post on the first page discussing how the salary cap is socialism and not good.  The cap & rules can actually be viewed from a capitilistic point of view.  It is through these rules, caps, and revenue sharing that the league is able to generate a large revenue through competitiveness.  Football is indeed the poster child for this.  W/o the cap & revenue sharing, football would be very lopsided and ultimately suffer monetarily.  

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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2011, 12:33:37 AM »

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The Lakers would just give all their players 6yr 20mil contracts when they expire, and then add a new max contract every year.
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Chaos.

The Lakers would just give all their players 6yr 20mil contracts when they expire, and then add a new max contract every year.

Mark Cuban would disagree.
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Re: What would the NBA look like with no salary cap?
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2011, 10:40:21 AM »

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I'm not for a no salary cap
But can someone explain why baseball has been so successful without a salary cap?
I don't follow baseball that much, so I'm confused