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Rondo's numbers have increased as the big three age
« on: April 25, 2011, 07:43:04 AM »

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Re: Rondo's numbers have increased as the big three age
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 09:08:56 AM »

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His scoring and rebounds have gone down from last season.

Re: Rondo's numbers have increased as the big three age
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2011, 10:03:08 AM »

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Rondo's turnovers and assists have gone up, and only this year his FTA have gone down.

Factor in his FGA have gone up each season...he is having the ball in his hands a lot more.


Re: Rondo's numbers have increased as the big three age
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2011, 11:05:05 AM »

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 Its because as the big 3 get older they cant make their own shot as good as they used to. they look to rondo to find them for easy jumpers so the ball is in his hands more often :)

Re: Rondo's numbers have increased as the big three age
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 11:16:30 AM »

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Actually, his points, rebounds, and shooting percentages are all down from his career highs this year.

His assists are higher, but that's because he's often been overpassing (even when he has a layup he'll pass). The increase in turnovers supports that conclusion.

Rondo this year is, by almost every measure, worse than the Rondo of last year.

Sorry for the harsh reality check.

Re: Rondo's numbers have increased as the big three age
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 11:32:01 AM »

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Actually, his points, rebounds, and shooting percentages are all down from his career highs this year.

His assists are higher, but that's because he's often been overpassing (even when he has a layup he'll pass). The increase in turnovers supports that conclusion.

Rondo this year is, by almost every measure, worse than the Rondo of last year.

Sorry for the harsh reality check.

  That's fairly nonsensical for a reality check. His assists are up by quite a bit and his assist/bad pass ratio is better than last years. He's not overpassing and he's far from the only player that passes up the occasional layup. His defense is also better, at least statistically. And his rebounding is down by 4% or so. Most of the "declines" are year to year noise. His points are legitimately down, but his assists are up and he's producing a larger percentage of the offense than he has in the past.


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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 11:49:16 AM »

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Actually, his points, rebounds, and shooting percentages are all down from his career highs this year.

His assists are higher, but that's because he's often been overpassing (even when he has a layup he'll pass). The increase in turnovers supports that conclusion.

Rondo this year is, by almost every measure, worse than the Rondo of last year.

Sorry for the harsh reality check.

  That's fairly nonsensical for a reality check. His assists are up by quite a bit and his assist/bad pass ratio is better than last years. He's not overpassing and he's far from the only player that passes up the occasional layup. His defense is also better, at least statistically. And his rebounding is down by 4% or so. Most of the "declines" are year to year noise. His points are legitimately down, but his assists are up and he's producing a larger percentage of the offense than he has in the past.


How exactly do you know what changes are statistical "noise" and which aren't? lol. That's impossible to say.  His assists are up by 1.5, and I DO think that increase is largely due to the overpassing that he did early in the league to rack up the numbers he was getting at season start. Plus the increase in assists was accompanied by a similar increase in TOs, so the benefit is negligible.  The biggest statistical difference is the drop in scoring (and subsequent drop in both fg% and ft%). His defense isn't statistically better either, as his defensive rebounding and steals are also both down from last year lol.

Re: Rondo's numbers have increased as the big three age
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2011, 12:16:04 PM »

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His assists are higher, but that's because he's often been overpassing (even when he has a layup he'll pass).



He's always done this.

Re: Rondo's numbers have increased as the big three age
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 12:33:50 PM »

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Actually, his points, rebounds, and shooting percentages are all down from his career highs this year.

His assists are higher, but that's because he's often been overpassing (even when he has a layup he'll pass). The increase in turnovers supports that conclusion.

Rondo this year is, by almost every measure, worse than the Rondo of last year.

Sorry for the harsh reality check.

  That's fairly nonsensical for a reality check. His assists are up by quite a bit and his assist/bad pass ratio is better than last years. He's not overpassing and he's far from the only player that passes up the occasional layup. His defense is also better, at least statistically. And his rebounding is down by 4% or so. Most of the "declines" are year to year noise. His points are legitimately down, but his assists are up and he's producing a larger percentage of the offense than he has in the past.


How exactly do you know what changes are statistical "noise" and which aren't? lol. That's impossible to say.

  Haha. My interpretation of what is "noise" would be a variation that's similar to or smaller than the typical ups and downs a normal player has from year to year. You think that a difference in rebounding of 4% is too large to be considered noise? I don't know if your "lol" is meant for my post or your reply.

  His assists are up by 1.5, and I DO think that increase is largely due to the overpassing that he did early in the league to rack up the numbers he was getting at season start. Plus the increase in assists was accompanied by a similar increase in TOs, so the benefit is negligible.

  Did you notice that the Celts were at or near the top in percent of assisted baskets all year, and did you know that the team was leading the league by a good margin in eFG% and TS% when Rondo was racking up those numbers? And, no, the benefit isn't "negligible". The more Rondo has the ball and racks up assists the better off the team is. Rondo's assist numbers and turnover numbers both increase, you're right there. But what you're missing is that Rondo's assist/turnover ratio is about 3.2/1, while the ratio for the rest of the team is about 1.2/1. Rondo controlling and passing the ball keeps our shooting percentages high and our turnover rate lower than it otherwise would be.

  The biggest statistical difference is the drop in scoring (and subsequent drop in both fg% and ft%). His defense isn't statistically better either, as his defensive rebounding and steals are also both down from last year lol.

  Yes, his shooting percentage dropped, and a large part of that drop was that he was taking more jump shots and fewer layups, which is probably what Doc wanted. And, ok, his defensive rebounding and steals are also both down from last year. His defensive rating is better, his defensive win shares per minute is better, and opposing point guards shoot a lower efg% against him, take fewer foul shots, score fewer points, get fewer points per possession, have a lower assist/turnover ratio and a lower PER against Rondo this year. Lol.

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2011, 12:35:52 PM »

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The Big 3 have also become increasingly efficient jumpshooters as they've gotten older.
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