Arroyo is Rondo light

[csfansince60s]

I guess there are two ways to look at this.

One way is that Arroyo isn't as good a distributor, ball-handler, on ball defender,penetrator than RR is. (How many people on the planet are?) One can also say, while I don't agree, nor do DWest's and Arroyo's lifetime stats, that DWest is a much better shooter than Arroyo.

The other way to look at it is that Arroyo is a far better shooter (esp.FTs 80% vs 50%, and jump shooter) than RR and that he is a far better ball-handler, distributor and penetrator than DWest who still goes to his left almost exclusively, which makes him much easier to defend in the half-court sets that are critical for playoff success.

DWest is a combo guard and Arroyo is a prototypical point guard, and hence a better point guard. Arroyo is not as dynamic as either RR or DWest, but his skills are much needed by this team.

I'd love to see both DWest and Arroyo on the court at the same time. I think Arroyo's steady handle and Delonte's energy will really compliment each other.

[Celtics18]

I guess there are two ways to look at this.

One way is that Arroyo isn't as good a distributor, ball-handler, on ball defender,penetrator than RR is. (How many people on the planet are?) One can also say, while I don't agree, nor do DWest's and Arroyo's lifetime stats, that DWest is a much better shooter than Arroyo.

The other way to look at it is that Arroyo is a far better shooter (esp.FTs 80% vs 50%, and jump shooter) than RR and that he is a far better ball-handler, distributor and penetrator than DWest who still goes to his left almost exclusively, which makes him much easier to defend in the half-court sets that are critical for playoff success.

DWest is a combo guard and Arroyo is a prototypical point guard, and hence a better point guard. Arroyo is not as dynamic as either RR or DWest, but his skills are much needed by this team.

I'd love to see both DWest and Arroyo on the court at the same time. I think Arroyo's steady handle and Delonte's energy will really compliment each other.

This I agree with.  Arroyo at the point with West at the two.  They might end up complementing each other so well that they'll spend a lot of time complimenting each other: "Nice shot, Delonte."  "Thanks, nice pass, Carlos."

[BudweiserCeltic]

Really, all this "he's a good shooter or not" is ultimately of not much significance considering that he'll only be taking about 2 or 3 for the most part, particularly when more offensive weapons start getting healthier.

[guava_wrench]

I am not a fan of how Arroyo runs the offense. He dribbles a lot and moves around without going anywhere and without setting anyone up. I like his ability to handle the press compared to House and he runs the offense better than Nate, but I haven't seen anything so impressive that I rate him higher than serviceable.

He seems to like pullup jumpers and doesn't seem to have a feel for his teammates the way Rondo does. Perhaps that is because he is new, but I think it is more a product of him being a different kind of player than Rondo (or Nash or CP3 or Calderon).

[droopdog7]

Really, all this "he's a good shooter or not" is ultimately of not much significance considering that he'll only be taking about 2 or 3 for the most part, particularly when more offensive weapons start getting healthier.

In the playoffs, other teams will try to force the ball to bad shooters.  Arroyo, since he is not the elite player that Rondo can be, will be forced to go to his weakness more than he will be comfortable with.

And while playing West and Arroyo together sounds like a good idea (as was said in another post), I don't really like it.  West has good size for a PG but as a SG, he has limitations, starting with his size.  This would also leave Arroyo on the court for big minutes where I still belive he will be exposed.

[Reyquila]

Most of you guys are under the impression that come playoff time, all our season long injured players will become uninjured and ready to play 3 or 4, 7 game series. West is a human being that cannot stay free of injuries; most of them bone related. It happens to be that some human beings have weak bone structures and will suffer inhjuries that most other human can escape from. The proof is in the pudding. JO ia an injury waiting to happen. It has happened to him just too many times; now we are conviced that come playoff time, he will be AOK-. Gime a break. Shak I beleive is saving himself for the playoffs. I dont beleive he is injured at all. Fine. Lets protect hi. Got no problem with that.
The problem with Shak is that with age, he has become an almost inmmovable object and because of his immobility, he is so prone to committ unnecesary fouls that he cannot stay in a game. He will help, certainly, but not for long.
 So, folks, I recommend that you get used to our present squad as is, cause our walking injured are so out of shape and old and injured and quasi-immobile that we are on our own. The team we have right now will take us to Banner 18 or run out of gas trying, but it is what we have now and tomorrow. Danny knows it; that why he made the moves he has concocted. He made those moves, not for the future, but for NOW. Peace.   

[tenn_smoothie]

i like the way Arroyo takes care of the ball - he does not appear to be as wreckless with the ball as Rondo is at times.

[Megatron]

Most of you guys are under the impression that come playoff time, all our season long injured players will become uninjured and ready to play 3 or 4, 7 game series. West is a human being that cannot stay free of injuries; most of them bone related. It happens to be that some human beings have weak bone structures and will suffer inhjuries that most other human can escape from. The proof is in the pudding. JO ia an injury waiting to happen. It has happened to him just too many times; now we are conviced that come playoff time, he will be AOK-. Gime a break. Shak I beleive is saving himself for the playoffs. I dont beleive he is injured at all. Fine. Lets protect hi. Got no problem with that.
The problem with Shak is that with age, he has become an almost inmmovable object and because of his immobility, he is so prone to committ unnecesary fouls that he cannot stay in a game. He will help, certainly, but not for long.
 So, folks, I recommend that you get used to our present squad as is, cause our walking injured are so out of shape and old and injured and quasi-immobile that we are on our own. The team we have right now will take us to Banner 18 or run out of gas trying, but it is what we have now and tomorrow. Danny knows it; that why he made the moves he has concocted. He made those moves, not for the future, but for NOW. Peace.   

Celtics say JO will be back before the playoffs to get into a rhytmn, Delonte and Shaq would both be playing right now if we were in the playoffs.

I dont know why you think all three will be injured during the playoffs. They have no history of missing playoff games due to injury.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Really, all this "he's a good shooter or not" is ultimately of not much significance considering that he'll only be taking about 2 or 3 for the most part, particularly when more offensive weapons start getting healthier.

In the playoffs, other teams will try to force the ball to bad shooters.  Arroyo, since he is not the elite player that Rondo can be, will be forced to go to his weakness more than he will be comfortable with.

And while playing West and Arroyo together sounds like a good idea (as was said in another post), I don't really like it.  West has good size for a PG but as a SG, he has limitations, starting with his size.  This would also leave Arroyo on the court for big minutes where I still belive he will be exposed.

You're extrapolating his poor shooting. He has some weak spots, particularly on the top of the key area. He's very good shooter from the sides from 10-15 feet or so.

Also, barring injuries and good play from him, Arroyo won't be in there big minutes, even if you play West and Arroyo together. The way I see it, West will be the first sub in regardless who is coming out. Arroyo would only come in to limit minutes to the next guy depending on how the game is going. Will probably see about 4-5 minutes in the first half, and depending on how the 2nd half is going he will see time or not.

And if for some reason, the game plan is to leave Arroyo open for him to miss shots, Doc will simply yank him from the floor. Problem solved. He's not a player we're relying on to leave him out there if he's hurting us.

For someone who is capable of getting hot who will only see limited minutes, I don't know if there's worthwhile risk to leave him constantly open and find a comfort zone.

[droopdog7]

Really, all this "he's a good shooter or not" is ultimately of not much significance considering that he'll only be taking about 2 or 3 for the most part, particularly when more offensive weapons start getting healthier.

In the playoffs, other teams will try to force the ball to bad shooters.  Arroyo, since he is not the elite player that Rondo can be, will be forced to go to his weakness more than he will be comfortable with.

And while playing West and Arroyo together sounds like a good idea (as was said in another post), I don't really like it.  West has good size for a PG but as a SG, he has limitations, starting with his size.  This would also leave Arroyo on the court for big minutes where I still belive he will be exposed.

You're extrapolating his poor shooting. He has some weak spots, particularly on the top of the key area. He's very good shooter from the sides from 10-15 feet or so.

Also, barring injuries and good play from him, Arroyo won't be in there big minutes, even if you play West and Arroyo together. The way I see it, West will be the first sub in regardless who is coming out. Arroyo would only come in to limit minutes to the next guy depending on how the game is going. Will probably see about 4-5 minutes in the first half, and depending on how the 2nd half is going he will see time or not.

And if for some reason, the game plan is to leave Arroyo open for him to miss shots, Doc will simply yank him from the floor. Problem solved. He's not a player we're relying on to leave him out there if he's hurting us.

For someone who is capable of getting hot who will only see limited minutes, I don't know if there's worthwhile risk to leave him constantly open and find a comfort zone.

Then we are that far apart.  I don't think Arroyo should play very much at all.  And I don't think he should take minutes away from West.  And we don't have to say if teams...   They will do what they can to force our weak links into more prominant positions.  That is a given.

[droopdog7]

Most of you guys are under the impression that come playoff time, all our season long injured players will become uninjured and ready to play 3 or 4, 7 game series. West is a human being that cannot stay free of injuries; most of them bone related. It happens to be that some human beings have weak bone structures and will suffer inhjuries that most other human can escape from. The proof is in the pudding. JO ia an injury waiting to happen. It has happened to him just too many times; now we are conviced that come playoff time, he will be AOK-. Gime a break. Shak I beleive is saving himself for the playoffs. I dont beleive he is injured at all. Fine. Lets protect hi. Got no problem with that.
The problem with Shak is that with age, he has become an almost inmmovable object and because of his immobility, he is so prone to committ unnecesary fouls that he cannot stay in a game. He will help, certainly, but not for long.
 So, folks, I recommend that you get used to our present squad as is, cause our walking injured are so out of shape and old and injured and quasi-immobile that we are on our own. The team we have right now will take us to Banner 18 or run out of gas trying, but it is what we have now and tomorrow. Danny knows it; that why he made the moves he has concocted. He made those moves, not for the future, but for NOW. Peace.   

You're right. I am making an assumption.  And if West is not available, then of course there will be no choice to make.  Like I said, Arroyo is fine as insurance and a third PG.  But if I were coaching, that is all he would be.  No way he would play ahead of West, assuming of course West is able to play.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Really, all this "he's a good shooter or not" is ultimately of not much significance considering that he'll only be taking about 2 or 3 for the most part, particularly when more offensive weapons start getting healthier.

In the playoffs, other teams will try to force the ball to bad shooters.  Arroyo, since he is not the elite player that Rondo can be, will be forced to go to his weakness more than he will be comfortable with.

And while playing West and Arroyo together sounds like a good idea (as was said in another post), I don't really like it.  West has good size for a PG but as a SG, he has limitations, starting with his size.  This would also leave Arroyo on the court for big minutes where I still belive he will be exposed.

You're extrapolating his poor shooting. He has some weak spots, particularly on the top of the key area. He's very good shooter from the sides from 10-15 feet or so.

Also, barring injuries and good play from him, Arroyo won't be in there big minutes, even if you play West and Arroyo together. The way I see it, West will be the first sub in regardless who is coming out. Arroyo would only come in to limit minutes to the next guy depending on how the game is going. Will probably see about 4-5 minutes in the first half, and depending on how the 2nd half is going he will see time or not.

And if for some reason, the game plan is to leave Arroyo open for him to miss shots, Doc will simply yank him from the floor. Problem solved. He's not a player we're relying on to leave him out there if he's hurting us.

For someone who is capable of getting hot who will only see limited minutes, I don't know if there's worthwhile risk to leave him constantly open and find a comfort zone.

Then we are that far apart.  I don't think Arroyo should play very much at all.  And I don't think he should take minutes away from West.  And we don't have to say if teams...   They will do what they can to force our weak links into more prominant positions.  That is a given.

You're not reading what I'm saying correctly. I haven't said a thing about taking minutes away from West. If anything Arroyo will take away minutes from Rondo and Allen depending on the situation. That's how I would use him. West depends on health, and of course, if he's playing like crap.