Some needed consolation and reasonable analysis

[GranTur]

I keep hearing NBA and Celtics fans alike say the Celtics are now worse...here's how I break it down (please read the whole post):

LOSSES (arguably)
Nate - inconsistent, huge defensive liability
Perkins - injured and unwilling to take 7 mill per year/4 years as a purely defensive player
Marquis - out for the season anyway (surgery-bound)
Gody - excels at nothing, defensive liability, undersized

KEY LOSS
Erden as fifth big and insurance for Shaq.

However, between Krstic, JO, and possibly Troy Murphy, we should be able to fill the fourth and fifth big man spot for this lineup.

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OVERALL ANALYSIS

Perkins is our fourth most valuable big. The Celtics needed an athletic back-up SF much more than a fourth big.

Not to mention the two picks the Celtics got. There is a lot of uncertainty with the new CBA. Ainge is a master in the draft. These two facts alone make those picks very valuable.

Perkins had shown us his full potential, had two bum knees, a shoulder problem, and the desire to make more than $7 million per year.

No offense to Perkins, but you cannot win a championship unless Perkins is your 5th-7th best player. Can you really pay that person more than $7 million?

[The DarkPassenger]

I keep hearing NBA and Celtics fans alike say the Celtics are now worse...here's how I break it down (please read the whole post):

LOSSES (arguably)
Nate - inconsistent, huge defensive liability
Perkins - injured and unwilling to take 7 mill per year/4 years as a purely defensive player
Marquis - out for the season anyway (surgery-bound)
Gody - excels at nothing, defensive liability, undersized

KEY LOSS
Erden as fifth big and insurance for Shaq.

However, between Krstic, JO, and possibly Troy Murphy, we should be able to fill the fourth and fifth big man spot for this lineup.

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OVERALL ANALYSIS

Perkins is our fourth most valuable big. The Celtics needed an athletic back-up SF much more than a fourth big.

Not to mention the two picks the Celtics got. There is a lot of uncertainty with the new CBA. Ainge is a master in the draft. These two facts alone make those picks very valuable.

Perkins had shown us his full potential, had two bum knees, a shoulder problem, and the desire to make more than $7 million per year.

No offense to Perkins, but you cannot win a championship unless Perkins is your 5th-7th best player. Can you really pay that person more than $7 million?

great analysis man really, agree with everything except Gody cause he can shoot and can rebound. Also Ainge is good at drafting but that is only a plus if you actually keep your players that you draft.

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[GranTur]

great analysis man really, agree with everything except Gody cause he can shoot and can rebound. Also Ainge is good at drafting but that is only a plus if you actually keep your players that you draft.

He might have some jump shot potential, but his rebounding only comes from having more effort than the people he plays against, which will NOT be an advantage in any playoff setting.

He gets boxed out so much, even on the defensive boards. I just don't see him ever being anything more than a third-string PF.

[Fan from VT]

great analysis man really, agree with everything except Gody cause he can shoot and can rebound. Also Ainge is good at drafting but that is only a plus if you actually keep your players that you draft.

He might have some jump shot potential, but his rebounding only comes from having more effort than the people he plays against, which will NOT be an advantage in any playoff setting.

He gets boxed out so much, even on the defensive boards. I just don't see him ever being anything more than a third-string PF.

Danny's been no great shakes drafting lately. Bradley is unimpressive, and the Giddens pick was awful at the time, and even worse in retrospect because many here were clamoring for Deandre Jordan at the time. In general, I think he is good, but not a guarantee.

Also, as many have pointed out, Perk was NEVER offered 7 mil per year, as this was IMPOSSIBLE under the current CBA. the rumor was 4 yrs 28, but it was really only 4 yrs 23. A lot different. Less than the MLE. And if he was healthy, he would have been the co-2nd most valuable big, tied with Shaq behind KG.

[jpd985]

great analysis man really, agree with everything except Gody cause he can shoot and can rebound. Also Ainge is good at drafting but that is only a plus if you actually keep your players that you draft.

He might have some jump shot potential, but his rebounding only comes from having more effort than the people he plays against, which will NOT be an advantage in any playoff setting.

He gets boxed out so much, even on the defensive boards. I just don't see him ever being anything more than a third-string PF.

Danny's been no great shakes drafting lately. Bradley is unimpressive, and the Giddens pick was awful at the time, and even worse in retrospect because many here were clamoring for Deandre Jordan at the time. In general, I think he is good, but not a guarantee.

Also, as many have pointed out, Perk was NEVER offered 7 mil per year, as this was IMPOSSIBLE under the current CBA. the rumor was 4 yrs 28, but it was really only 4 yrs 23. A lot different. Less than the MLE. And if he was healthy, he would have been the co-2nd most valuable big, tied with Shaq behind KG.

It is too soon to say Bradley is unimpressive. He was injured to start the season and missed training camp. He already has NBA defense.

[Roy H.]

Perk wasn't our "fourth big", he was our starting center.  Also, he never turned down $28 million over four years.  Rather, it was $23.4 million, which is well below market value for a starting center.  The Celtics couldn't offer him more now due to cap rules, but would have been able to do so in the summer.

I mean, sure, your analysis makes sense if you're going to falsify facts (the contract thing, "two bum knees", etc.), but Perk was a leader on this team, both as the center of the defense and in the locker room.  I think he's a lot more valuable than you're letting on.

[SCBirdman]

Bottom line, Danny is betting on Shaq and JO being healthy and viable come playoff time. We need solid production from them to hang Banner 18.

[CoachBo]

Totally disagree, Roy - one surgically repaired knee, the other injured. And didn't he ask for eight figures?

Not interested at that price with those legs and that skillset.

[Roy H.]

Totally disagree, Roy - one surgically repaired knee, the other injured. And didn't he ask for eight figures?

Not interested at that price with those legs and that skillset.

Where did you hear his contract demands, other than speculation?  The *only* thing we know is that he rejected the low-ball, CBA-mandated sub-$6 million per season deal the team offered.

Is a minor tweak to the knee now a "bum" knee?  I'd say every player in the NBA probably has at least one "bum" knee, then.  Or a "bum" shoulder, or ankle, or something.  Come on now, these are common injuries that everyone has from time to time.  The surgically repaired knee is legit, but let's not exaggerate things to make our points appear stronger.  Especially, of course, when Danny's strategy is to rely upon Shaq and J.O. as a large part of our center rotation going forward.

[CoachBo]

He has no lift, Roy. And his lateral mobility is poor. The timing of the second knee injury is troubling. All of those factors make a substantial financial investment by the club questionable, in my mind. Apparently in Ainge's, too, based on his comments today.

Perhaps that improves. It's going to have to, or Perk's career is in jeopardy.

Again, if he's healthy and willing to be paid like a center with limited offensive skills, this trade doesn't happen. He isn't in either case.

As you well know, I'm no Ainge apologist. I've ripped him before and I'll rip him again. Just think he sold high - way high - on Perkins.

[snowball]

Bottom line, Danny is betting on Shaq and JO being healthy and viable come playoff time. We need solid production from them to hang Banner 18.

this is it.

also, Danny actualy sees a future for J.O. in Boston.
just listen to Danny, "He's Only 31".