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Re: Wolves have been urging Mavs to part with Dampier's...
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2010, 04:44:43 PM »

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i saw on twitter the cavaliers are trying to trade for Al Jefferson with the trade exception they got from the heat..don't know if its real or not but it would be interesting
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Re: Wolves have been urging Mavs to part with Dampier's...
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2010, 04:54:56 PM »

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Cuban is a moron.  Everyone knows the Pau Gasol deal was an aberration. There were other GMs out there complaining that they would've given MUCH more for Pau (there was something fishy about that deal).  So, they really think they can get Chris Paul just for an expiring contract?  Al Jefferson at $14MM per is a good deal, especially for the Mavs, where money is no object.  The only problem is that Al and Dirk can't guard anyone.  Frankly, I can't see the Mavs ever winning with Dirk as their star, since he's such a defensive liability at both the 4 or the 5.  They need to just blow up their team and start over, but Cuban will never let them do that.  So, they'll be mired just above mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

How about this scenario.  We send Sheed and whatever to Dallas for Marion.  Now Dallas has 2 fairly large contracts both of which can be kind of written off (assuming Sheed retires at a reasonable buyout).  Now you go the New Orleans and say we want Chris Paul, we will throw in some young talent (along with the 2 special contracts) plus we can take back one or two of your really bad contracts.  Now they might be on to something.

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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2010, 05:02:12 PM »

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Yet another powerful but incomplete player to fit into Cuban's revolving jigsaw puzzle: seems like a perfect fit, not because he'd make them contenders but that he'd slide right into the grooves made by the last square peg jammed into the round hole.
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2010, 05:14:04 PM »

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Only reason it doesn't work for Dallas is because they have a lot of money invested in Jefferson's positions (Dirk and Haywood).

No way they are getting CP3 for Dampier + anything lol. They have absolutely no cheap assets.

I'd def take big Al back. He would improve on defense being around KG, JO, Perk, etc. Don't know if we make a play for him, but we should inquire.

Then get a wing who can knock down the open 3 (Eddie?). Re-sign TA and maybe Nate
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2010, 05:40:37 PM »

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expiring non-guaranteed contract and draft considerations for AL Jefferson.


"Sources told ESPNDallas.com that the Minnesota Timberwolves have been urging Dallas to part with Dampier's contract -- and draft considerations -- in exchange for Al Jefferson, who has three years left on his contract at $42 million. The Mavericks, sources said, keep telling the Wolves that they won't surrender Dampier's contract in a Jefferson deal because they have it earmarked for a Pau Gasol-type trade, such as the centerpiece of Dallas' longstanding pursuit of New Orleans point guard Chris Paul. ESPN.com"






If this is the case, I really don't see why the Celtics couldn't score Jefferson with the Wallace contract, Davis, Gaffney, and a future first. Or some package similar to that. Yeah, unfortunately, Jefferson doesn't fill a huge need right now with the JO signing. But we could start AL at center with KG at power forward. KG plays limited minutes these days, so AL would see a lot more time at power forward than center. Even though we need a wing, we also need a guy who can score on something other than jump shots--seriously.
I tend to think that getting Al Jefferson for nothing WOULD be the equivalent of the Pau Gasol trade.  Is there another 20/10 power forward available basically for free other than Al Jefferson?  (assuming that rumor is correct)  Don't forget, Pau was pretty much available for the taking and nobody jumped.  I haven't checked the stats but I don't think Pau was ever a 20/10 guy before the trade.


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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2010, 06:13:42 PM »

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I tend to think that getting Al Jefferson for nothing WOULD be the equivalent of the Pau Gasol trade.  Is there another 20/10 power forward available basically for free other than Al Jefferson?  (assuming that rumor is correct)  Don't forget, Pau was pretty much available for the taking and nobody jumped.  I haven't checked the stats but I don't think Pau was ever a 20/10 guy before the trade.
Al Jefferson is not as good as Pau Gasol. He has also not been a 20/10 player since the knee injury.

Still, getting him for picks (I don't imagine he'll be traded just for the exception), is a good deal.
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2010, 06:19:42 PM »

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I tend to think that getting Al Jefferson for nothing WOULD be the equivalent of the Pau Gasol trade.  Is there another 20/10 power forward available basically for free other than Al Jefferson?  (assuming that rumor is correct)  Don't forget, Pau was pretty much available for the taking and nobody jumped.  I haven't checked the stats but I don't think Pau was ever a 20/10 guy before the trade.
Al Jefferson is not as good as Pau Gasol. He has also not been a 20/10 player since the knee injury.

Still, getting him for picks (I don't imagine he'll be traded just for the exception), is a good deal.

Pau Gasol's stock in 2007 is not the same as it became in 2008. Obviously he was highly regarded and was a steal at first glance, but they still gave up something for him in his brother Marc.

Getting Al Jefferson for strictly cap relief and picks (late first round at best) is about as equal a bad trade as the Gasol.
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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2010, 06:23:52 PM »

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Getting Al Jefferson for strictly cap relief and picks (late first round at best) is about as equal a bad trade as the Gasol.
Given the state of the Cavs, their unprotected lottery pick might produce a player who's better than Jefferson.
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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2010, 11:13:24 PM »

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I tend to think that getting Al Jefferson for nothing WOULD be the equivalent of the Pau Gasol trade.  Is there another 20/10 power forward available basically for free other than Al Jefferson?  (assuming that rumor is correct)  Don't forget, Pau was pretty much available for the taking and nobody jumped.  I haven't checked the stats but I don't think Pau was ever a 20/10 guy before the trade.
Al Jefferson is not as good as Pau Gasol. He has also not been a 20/10 player since the knee injury.

Still, getting him for picks (I don't imagine he'll be traded just for the exception), is a good deal.
I still think Al has it in him.  I think he could be an excellent piece on a balanced team that just needs an inside scorer.  At the 5 he's a terrible defender, but at the 4 he's about average.  No worse than Bosh or Amare. 
I'd personally love to see him go to Orlando (if Boston can't steal him).  While the Heat would have an advantage at the wings they would have no answer down low for Al and Dwight.  Al needs a good center to play next to.

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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2010, 11:18:09 PM »

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I tend to think that getting Al Jefferson for nothing WOULD be the equivalent of the Pau Gasol trade.  Is there another 20/10 power forward available basically for free other than Al Jefferson?  (assuming that rumor is correct)  Don't forget, Pau was pretty much available for the taking and nobody jumped.  I haven't checked the stats but I don't think Pau was ever a 20/10 guy before the trade.
Al Jefferson is not as good as Pau Gasol. He has also not been a 20/10 player since the knee injury.

Still, getting him for picks (I don't imagine he'll be traded just for the exception), is a good deal.
I still think Al has it in him.  I think he could be an excellent piece on a balanced team that just needs an inside scorer.  At the 5 he's a terrible defender, but at the 4 he's about average.  No worse than Bosh or Amare. 
I'd personally love to see him go to Orlando (if Boston can't steal him).  While the Heat would have an advantage at the wings they would have no answer down low for Al and Dwight.  Al needs a good center to play next to.

No way! If we can't get him, then I would want to see him go to a west coast team like the mavs, spurs, or rockets so he can attack the lakers and they might finally have some sort of competition on their way to the finals. The last thing we need is to have another eastern conf team get even stronger and make our path more difficult. Send some talent out west for once.

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« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2010, 11:46:17 PM »

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im iffy becuase he is a good player and all but we desperatly need a wing a good one at that no  great ONE

BARBOSA or CHILDRESS or J.howard hell ill even settlte with r.fernandez but we can get him(rudy) without sheed's contract

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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2010, 12:10:09 AM »

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Jason Terry talking during the summer league game with NBAtv made it seem like Al to Dallas was happening.  Never mentioned Al by name, but kept on talking about Cuban wanted to add a low-post presence.
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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2010, 12:15:35 AM »

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Al Jefferson is not as good as Pau Gasol. He has also not been a 20/10 player since the knee injury.

Last year was his first since his knee injury.  Give the man some time - he'll be back to his All-star form this year.

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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2010, 09:46:33 AM »

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Yet another powerful but incomplete player to fit into Cuban's revolving jigsaw puzzle: seems like a perfect fit, not because he'd make them contenders but that he'd slide right into the grooves made by the last square peg jammed into the round hole.
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