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With the news that CP3 wants to leave.....
« on: July 21, 2010, 09:11:29 PM »

Offline Mad Hatter

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i hope that Dell Demps (the new GM) and Monty Williams (the new coach) have a plan in store to keep Paul in N.O. i know they're high on Darren Collison, and he had a great rookie season, but
the NBA is a business and Collison may be trade bait to get help for CP3.

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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2010, 09:25:18 PM »

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i hope that Dell Demps (the new GM) and Monty Williams (the new coach) have a plan in store to keep Paul in N.O. i know they're high on Darren Collison, and he had a great rookie season, but
the NBA is a business and Collison may be trade bait to get help for CP3.

Or CP3 could be traded to get some healthier players to help Collison...

But yes, trading Collison with a bad contract or two would make more sense.

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2010, 09:30:32 PM »

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I actually like Collison as a player; a little wild with the turnovers but his upside is without question something NO should at least consider.

And for CP3, NO Hornets isn't going anywhere in the West anyway as their one run in 2008 followed with a 1st round exit in 2009 and injury plagued 2010. Either way I truely feel the Hornets can get good complementary players for CP3 and build a team around Collison and D-West and have a similar impact that OKC and Portland have out west. But that's my opinion.
Let's Go Celtics!!

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2010, 09:52:41 PM »

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I actually like Collison as a player; a little wild with the turnovers but his upside is without question something NO should at least consider.

And for CP3, NO Hornets isn't going anywhere in the West anyway as their one run in 2008 followed with a 1st round exit in 2009 and injury plagued 2010. Either way I truely feel the Hornets can get good complementary players for CP3 and build a team around Collison and D-West and have a similar impact that OKC and Portland have out west. But that's my opinion.

Nice Opinon, TP

Cp3 leaving New Orleans would be a dam shame. My early memories off him involved all the charitable work he was doing for the city. The city embraced him & the Hornets from day1. Hopefully the organization put contender around Cp3, and I guarantee you the city will re-embrace the team again. Erase memory of that debacle in 2009 (58point loss to the nuggets).

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2010, 10:07:13 PM »

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Wow... With Peja coming off the books soon, a nice young trade asset to mix in with some short term contracts, and they'd have a good contending foundation with him at the point. Too bad they brought in Okafor, otherwise they would have been in a good position to allow CP to recruit next offseason.

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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2010, 10:58:20 PM »

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Just an example of how the whole Miami thing is making other star players antsy to do the same or be in the same position.

Soon something that everyone is toting as blasphemy will become the norm.

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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2010, 11:09:31 PM »

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Just an example of how the whole Miami thing is making other star players antsy to do the same or be in the same position.

Soon something that everyone is toting as blasphemy will become the norm.

The Miami thing didn't start it.

The Boston 3 Party started it!

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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2010, 11:52:19 PM »

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Just an example of how the whole Miami thing is making other star players antsy to do the same or be in the same position.

Soon something that everyone is toting as blasphemy will become the norm.

The Miami thing didn't start it.

The Boston 3 Party started it!

I think its kind of stupid, really. If all the superstars are gonna get together and leave like 2/3 of the league without an elite player we might as well collapse the league back to 8 teams and give each team 2-3 superstars. Otherwise you just have a bunch of dead weight for a league, and the regular season becomes utterly meaningless. That trend has already begun -- Boston assembles its Big Three, Miami gets its trio together... now CP3, Amare and Melo? Boston didn't give a crap about the regular season and saved all its energy for the playoffs...that's the beginning of a trend...both of these developing realities are scary business.
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.

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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2010, 11:57:24 PM »

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I hope he goes to the knicks... I wanna see him and Amare team up together, that'd be a fun team to watch.

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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2010, 12:02:57 AM »

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Just an example of how the whole Miami thing is making other star players antsy to do the same or be in the same position.

Soon something that everyone is toting as blasphemy will become the norm.

The Miami thing didn't start it.

The Boston 3 Party started it!

I think its kind of stupid, really. If all the superstars are gonna get together and leave like 2/3 of the league without an elite player we might as well collapse the league back to 8 teams and give each team 2-3 superstars. Otherwise you just have a bunch of dead weight for a league, and the regular season becomes utterly meaningless. That trend has already begun -- Boston assembles its Big Three, Miami gets its trio together... now CP3, Amare and Melo? Boston didn't give a crap about the regular season and saved all its energy for the playoffs...that's the beginning of a trend...both of these developing realities are scary business.
amen brother

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2010, 09:41:59 AM »

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I could see CP3 going to the Knicks for Eddy Curry's expiring contract, Wilson Chandler and Gallinari.  It's not a very deal for the Hornets but they just lost a lot of leverage overnight with the trade demand, so they'll have to take what they can get.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2azhg7c

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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2010, 10:16:23 AM »

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Just an example of how the whole Miami thing is making other star players antsy to do the same or be in the same position.

Soon something that everyone is toting as blasphemy will become the norm.

The Miami thing didn't start it.

The Boston 3 Party started it!

I think its kind of stupid, really. If all the superstars are gonna get together and leave like 2/3 of the league without an elite player we might as well collapse the league back to 8 teams and give each team 2-3 superstars. Otherwise you just have a bunch of dead weight for a league, and the regular season becomes utterly meaningless. That trend has already begun -- Boston assembles its Big Three, Miami gets its trio together... now CP3, Amare and Melo? Boston didn't give a crap about the regular season and saved all its energy for the playoffs...that's the beginning of a trend...both of these developing realities are scary business.

It will be interesting to see if the new collective bargaining agreement addresses this problem/trend.  One idea would be to limit 1 maximum contract per team; and to have a second level for players who are really good, but not worthy of a max deal. This would spread the wealth around a bit more on salary, and at the same time try to limit the conglomeration of super-stars on just a few teams.

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2010, 10:28:06 AM »

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The owner should pack up and move to Seattle. Then trade CP3, Okafor, and Dave West for Rondo, Perkins, Baby, and Sheeds contract.
The beatings will continue until morale improves

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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2010, 10:35:00 AM »

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Just an example of how the whole Miami thing is making other star players antsy to do the same or be in the same position.

Soon something that everyone is toting as blasphemy will become the norm.

The Miami thing didn't start it.

The Boston 3 Party started it!

I think its kind of stupid, really. If all the superstars are gonna get together and leave like 2/3 of the league without an elite player we might as well collapse the league back to 8 teams and give each team 2-3 superstars. Otherwise you just have a bunch of dead weight for a league, and the regular season becomes utterly meaningless. That trend has already begun -- Boston assembles its Big Three, Miami gets its trio together... now CP3, Amare and Melo? Boston didn't give a crap about the regular season and saved all its energy for the playoffs...that's the beginning of a trend...both of these developing realities are scary business.

It will be interesting to see if the new collective bargaining agreement addresses this problem/trend.  One idea would be to limit 1 maximum contract per team; and to have a second level for players who are really good, but not worthy of a max deal. This would spread the wealth around a bit more on salary, and at the same time try to limit the conglomeration of super-stars on just a few teams.

The idea that stars collecting on a handful of teams being bad for the league and competitiveness is not true.  The idea that it's new, or that the C's Big 3 started it, shows ingorance of our own franchise history.

My friends, in over a half-century, the majority of championships were won by two teams.  If the Pistons and Bulls are added in, it's close to 70ish% of titles won by 4 teams.  Today, there are 30 teams with cap and trade rules that attempt to create balance, yet still the Celtics and Lakers meet in the finals in 2 of the last 3 years, and the Pistons were in the ECF for most of the last decade.  Look at the HOF:  what teams did most of the NBA inductees play for?

The NBA has never truly been a balanced, competitive league.  It probably never will.  Recent developments are nothing really new, it just came together in a new way.  Now, rather than Red making crazy deals (like trading the Ice Capades?) to accumulate top talent, like with much else in the NBA, the balance of power has shifted completely from owners to players, and now the players have gone the extra step, not just making the guaranteed money while owners have risk (and less than half the BBRI), but now players get to make roster decisions, too.  THAT shift will be what drives the next CBA:  power (and, of course, money, but I think money will be easier to agree on than many think).  Small market teams have more to fear from losing players (or the ability to get/keep players) than from paying salaries, even guaranteed ones.  Look how long Cleveland has to wait for their (low) picks received from Miami.  They got royally shafted because they players are in control of the franchise, not the owners.

Look for the owner of the Hornets to get some calls/pressure from other owners if CP3 goes (more) public and this gets stinky.  A line will be drawn heading into this season (ahead of the new contract).