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if Lebron signs with the NYK this summer, will the C's be more or less attractive to 2012 free agents?

less attractive, dont want to be in th same division as Lebron
2 (10.5%)
more attractive, wants to join the C's to become a part of the new Bos vs NY rivalry
2 (10.5%)
has no effect on the C's chances of landing a big UFA in 2012
15 (78.9%)

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Offline PosImpos

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ALright. Lets agree to remove BBD from our future. He is not a go-to-PF or anyone to build around. Rondo is great. Perk is good at C.

Melo would be the no1 option. Follow him with a scoring active PF like Ersan Ilysova or Anthony Randolph. Add a pure shooter like Anthony Morrow or Kyle Korver and we got a squad to contend with. Aging/aged vets like Mike Miller and Brad Miller could be fillers that year to complete to team at another Celtic Championship run

but who rebounds on this team?

Anthony Randolph is a very good rebounder, and Perk is not a bad rebounder either.  That's a fine rebounding duo up front.
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Just the though of durant in a C's uni makes me drool...

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Just the though of durant in a C's uni makes me drool...

Keep dreaming.  He'll sign an extension with OKC this summer.
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I like your way of thinking in possibly bringing Melo to Boston in the future.He will be around 27yrs.old in 2012 i think.I feel he is the second best sf in the league now,at times he has been the best.

Melo is one of few players that has gone toe to toe with Lebron and outplayed him on his homecourt this season(Quik.Arena).

Durant is already better than Melo and will only get better.

Melo isn't even a top 5 player in the league (though he's top 10)
Melo is probably #3 or 4scoring wise in the league?Before Melo was hurt,he was the leading candidtae for MVP this season.Durant is the better scorer but i don't feel Durant is a better all around player.Also,i never said Melo was a top(5)player in the league but i do feel he is #2 at his position.Durant winning a scoring title doesn't make him the better player.  

 George"Iceman"Gervin won scoring titles but he wasn't the best sf in the league at the time.

Out of curiosity what 5 players in the league are better than Melo and whose/what are the sources for your statement?

LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Kevin Durant
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul

That's my top 5.  

I base that off of my personal perception and available advanced metrics (PER, value added, estimated wins added).  The only debatable pick among those top 5, in my opinion, is Chris Paul.  I think he's become underrated because he was injured this year.  If you project his stats out over the course of 82 games, he'd be among the top 5 in VA and EWA, and he was the #1 PG in terms of PER despite playing 10-15 games coming back from injury.  Early in the year he was in the top 3 in the league in terms of PER (above 25).

Why no Kobe?  He's not nearly as efficient a player as he used to be; while he's still easily in the top 10 in the league, he's definitely not in the top 5 any longer.  He's maintained his reputation because of his past history and because he hits a lot clutch shots late in games - though he also takes a ton of shots late in games.
I don't know how Kobe got into this but i never felt he was in the top5 all season...i don't judge players on scoring alone.Gasol has been more efficient this season than Kobe.Defense is half of evaluating players and Durant hasn't reached that level to say he is a top(5)all around player yet.C.Paul has proven that he can be equally as good defensively in games if need be.Durant started to play better defense this season but not enough to put his all around game top(5).If you are basing most on scoring well we know he is the best.

Good point about the defense. Melo barely gets the edge as an overall player in my opinion.

Even though Kobe is falling a bit, the guy is still a beast. In a single game series I'd worry more about him than I would anyone besides James and Wade. He's still in my top 5. ...I smell a new thread coming...
I agree that in a 7game series Kobe would worry me more than Lebron&Wade but we were judging from the most recent regular season production.

example:Lets take the last game Melo,Durant,Kobe or any of the top players perform aganist Lebron(seeing that he is the best player)...Melo outplayed Lebron in Cleveland when they last met. Neither Kobe or Durant has had good games recently aganist Lebron.Melo played Lebron headsup and blocked his shot a couple times,made him work hard on the defensive end in crunch time.I think Melo scored in the 30's that night but his defense was more impressive which told me that he has developed more as a great overall player.Don't we judge players by how well they match up with the best players at their position?

I know Kobe is a 2g and Lebron is a sf but Lebron usually defends him .
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I don't think players think about "rivalries" when choosing a team.  My guess is most players believe rivalries are made by the players, not the cities.

I think these are the things they consider when choosing where to go:

1. Who can pay me the most (if its close, then they can look at other factors)
2a. Where do I want to live?
2c. How are the teammates...are they built to win?

3. How is the organization/historical impact?

Basically, if the C's have max cap space, and other teams don't, they will be in the running.  But depending on what other teams have cap space, they are going to have a tough time winning the battle for these guys.

Boston is not a super attractive city to NBA players (I would say they are towards the bottom of the middle of the pack, behind the bigger markets, and warm cities, but ahead of the tiny markets, and cold ones).

The organization is good, and the history is there...but I don't think many players put a ton of stock in that.  If everything was even between lets say, the C's and the Bobcats, then it might make a difference, but there is a rare situation where this will really have a bearing.

And the C's core, as it stands now, of Rondo, Perk, and Davis is not really the most attractive core out there.  Rondo could be a star, but he still has a bit to go, and none of those guys have a reputation as incredibly fun teammates. 

What Chris said.  I doubt it makes much of a difference one way or another.  Along with factors 1 & 2a, I'd add "which city / state has the lowest taxes?"  That's why the Florida and Texas teams often have a bit of an advantage.  Too bad New Hampshire can't get a team. ;)

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I don't think players think about "rivalries" when choosing a team.  My guess is most players believe rivalries are made by the players, not the cities.

I think these are the things they consider when choosing where to go:

1. Who can pay me the most (if its close, then they can look at other factors)
2a. Where do I want to live?
2c. How are the teammates...are they built to win?

3. How is the organization/historical impact?

Basically, if the C's have max cap space, and other teams don't, they will be in the running.  But depending on what other teams have cap space, they are going to have a tough time winning the battle for these guys.

Boston is not a super attractive city to NBA players (I would say they are towards the bottom of the middle of the pack, behind the bigger markets, and warm cities, but ahead of the tiny markets, and cold ones).

The organization is good, and the history is there...but I don't think many players put a ton of stock in that.  If everything was even between lets say, the C's and the Bobcats, then it might make a difference, but there is a rare situation where this will really have a bearing.

And the C's core, as it stands now, of Rondo, Perk, and Davis is not really the most attractive core out there.  Rondo could be a star, but he still has a bit to go, and none of those guys have a reputation as incredibly fun teammates. 

What Chris said.  I doubt it makes much of a difference one way or another.  Along with factors 1 & 2a, I'd add "which city / state has the lowest taxes?"  That's why the Florida and Texas teams often have a bit of an advantage.  Too bad New Hampshire can't get a team. ;)

While that might be somewhere on the list, I think for most NBA players that is way down there.  With the way most of them spend money, I have a feeling, they are not even aware of tax rates. 

I think when you are talking about max contracts, they want to get every penny they can as a status symbol within the league, however, I don't think the actual dollar amount is that important to most of them.