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Re: Time to re-build
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2010, 10:55:21 PM »

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With Perkins recent "bored" comments, now I see why Ainge tried to trade him for Memphis's pick last summer despite potentially screwing up this seasons "Championship Potential"

Oh c'mon... Perk was just saying what EVERYONE has been thinking.

By all account he's a hardworker and DA shopping him was a business thing - he was at his highest peak coming off of the playoffs (like Rondo), it's Ainge's job to see if anyone is willing to over-offer while you can sell him high.
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Re: Time to re-build
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2010, 01:47:00 AM »

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Well yes.  There's no rebuilding to be done until draft night in June. They could have jump started the process by trading Ray but they elected not to do so.

As Chris said, rebuilding is a delicate process.  But it also has to be a completely unsentimental process and there is no room for procrastination.


I agree with all of this.  And I personally believe that the lack of a Ray trade had nothing to do with sentimentality.  I just do not think there was a deal out there that made sense for the team in both the long and short-term, that also fit into the finances.

I think Danny worked hard to try to turn Ray into a younger building block.  However, I just am not sure they had the assets to combine with Ray to make it happen.

Patience has proven a virtue to Ainge in the past, and I think this will be another case.  I think he is willing to use Pierce or Garnett's contract in the next two seasons, if the right trade presents itself.  I just think he is waiting for the right deal...but he needs to add a few more assets to be able to make that happen.

Agreed.

Patience and asset hoarding are Ainge's preferred means of rebuilding.  He's not the type of GM who will prioritize cap-clearing salary dumps.  He wants to stockpile young assets to develop and eventually pair with expiring contracts to land established stars.

He's also shown a willingness to be competitive in the short-term even without realistic title aspirations, as his courtship of Karl Malone and acquisitions of Gary Payton and Antoine Walker show. 

My guess is that he will work to add young assets to the team while lending secondary attention to the team's immediate title chances.  I strongly doubt he will try to move KG for an expiring contract.

I predict he will try to resign Ray Allen for 2 years to solidify the wing spot.  If Pierce wants to opt out, I believe he would also offer him a 2 year deal. 

I believe Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis will be shopped heavily in the offseason, perhaps in tandem to land a more flexible rotation big on a 2 year deal (Boris Diaw, Nene, Mehmet Okur, David West).  I don't think he doesn't like either player, but I strongly doubt he wants to commit to either player long-term (when their contracts would likely tank their trade value) and shipping them out in the offseason, before losing them for nothing, makes a lot of sense.

I believe Ainge will try to spend the MLE on a younger player, as opposed to spending big on vets and scrounging the bargain bin for busts like POB.  Amir Johnson would seem an ideal choice (low-profile, highly regarded by Ainge coming out of the draft).  Dorell Wright is another player that would seem to fit the potential late-bloomer profile that Ainge seems to seek out (Telfair, Ricky Davis, Chris Mihm, POB).

If such a plan were to go through, we'd likely persist as a 45-55 win team until KG/Sheed's expiration, at which point we'd have 25 year old Rondo, 3 late first round picks (2010, 2011, 2012), and a young player at the MLE, to start from scratch with.  Sign a few promising young players with the cap space, get a high draft pick and you've got a potentially nice foundation.

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Re: Time to re-build
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2010, 09:16:50 AM »

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Imagine if we get Cousins from the draft,resign Ray to a 2 year contract and get something like a 2 year,20 million deal for Pierce with a third year player option of something like,6-7 million so he can retire a Celtic.Then,in 2012 or 13,we pick up KD as a FA and use an MLE or LLE to pick up a bunch average players like TA or someone,package 'em off for Evan Turner or James Anderson with Nate,and pick up a high draft pick on the way,for 2014 maybe.
Rondo Perkins and KD will be just entering their prime, and Cousins and Turner/Anderson and the draft pick will be set up for the future.

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Re: Time to re-build
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2010, 09:58:31 AM »

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We got KG, Allen and Pierce together to win us A CHAMPIONSHIP, which they did so mission "New big 3" was accomplished, but we are far from being a championship team and right now look like a team that could get bounced in the first round, I think now it's time to try and start over keeping our young guns (Rondo, Perkins) and whatnot around.

I understand I just sound like a sad C's fan (which I am), but I really think it's the right thing to do.

I think this summer, if we can't land a max free agent we should try to shop Paul Pierce (IF we don't win a championship this June.)

Despite his age, I still think Pierce has trade value and can land us a couple of decent players. Then if we can use the mid-level excpetion on another decent free agent, resign Marquis, let Ray walk, maybe pick up another big man, we'd be okay.

Then whenver we can spend the big money and go crazy, try to land either Mello or Durant whenevery they're available.

Actually, doing something as radical as trading Pierce would make me want to keep Ray Allen (for a reasonable price only).  I'd want to see what he can do offensively with a bit more freedom (not sharing with Pierce).  You could bring him off the bench and he'd be great with whichever younger players we grabbed....

Re: Time to re-build
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2010, 10:09:36 AM »

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Imagine if we get Cousins from the draft,resign Ray to a 2 year contract and get something like a 2 year,20 million deal for Pierce with a third year player option of something like,6-7 million so he can retire a Celtic.Then,in 2012 or 13,we pick up KD as a FA and use an MLE or LLE to pick up a bunch average players like TA or someone,package 'em off for Evan Turner or James Anderson with Nate,and pick up a high draft pick on the way,for 2014 maybe.
Rondo Perkins and KD will be just entering their prime, and Cousins and Turner/Anderson and the draft pick will be set up for the future.

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I can't tell if you are kidding or not.  If you're not, I admire your optimism, but I don't know where to start explaining how none of that is going to happen.

Re: Time to re-build
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2010, 07:13:08 PM »

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Basically from a draft perspective, if we keep #20 or whatever, the question becomes HOW do you draft ... at #20 you have to make choices on the probability vs ceiling dimensions.  Danny has done a good job in his draft strategy mixing up probability vs ceiling.  You need to do both in order to have some productivity out of mediocre draft positions. 

Ceiling = Al Jefferson, Gerald Green ... guys with very high upsides, but legitimate gambles, betting on your development staff and betting on the kid not being an idiot

Probability = Tony Allen ... good news is you get role players, but a team full of role players = the Indiana Pacers

This might be the year to take a homerun swing again ... Ebanks from WV is my preference for a gamble, Ekpe Udoh from Baylor, Eric Bledsoe from Kentucky, Quincy Pondexter from Washington are others ... serious talents with real all star ability but serious makeup questions ...

Re: Time to re-build
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2010, 09:01:11 PM »

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I am not too concerned about the future as we got "The Big Three" on big contracts and when they come off our books there opens up a cap space for someone new to replace them.

This summer is the first contract up through Ray Allen and I can see us seriously be in for the running to acquire Chris Bosh with that cap space we get. Also, Rasheed´s contract is up (4m if I recall) which could be used to get Nate Robinson on a longer contract to secure the PG spot for the next few years.

I want to see Paul Pierce retire in Green and also, I want to see KG finish his career with us too so the addition of Chris Bosh will add more power and help to the big guys which we sorely miss.
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Re: Time to re-build
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2010, 10:04:31 PM »

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I am not too concerned about the future as we got "The Big Three" on big contracts and when they come off our books there opens up a cap space for someone new to replace them.

This summer is the first contract up through Ray Allen and I can see us seriously be in for the running to acquire Chris Bosh with that cap space we get. Also, Rasheed´s contract is up (4m if I recall) which could be used to get Nate Robinson on a longer contract to secure the PG spot for the next few years.

I want to see Paul Pierce retire in Green and also, I want to see KG finish his career with us too so the addition of Chris Bosh will add more power and help to the big guys which we sorely miss.

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Re: Time to re-build
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2010, 10:37:11 PM »

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I am not too concerned about the future as we got "The Big Three" on big contracts and when they come off our books there opens up a cap space for someone new to replace them.

This summer is the first contract up through Ray Allen and I can see us seriously be in for the running to acquire Chris Bosh with that cap space we get. Also, Rasheed´s contract is up (4m if I recall) which could be used to get Nate Robinson on a longer contract to secure the PG spot for the next few years.

I want to see Paul Pierce retire in Green and also, I want to see KG finish his career with us too so the addition of Chris Bosh will add more power and help to the big guys which we sorely miss.
Try again.  We get no cap space from Ray's expiring deal.  We're still over the cap with just the handful of players we still have under contract which would also include Sheed. 

I highly recommend you read the documentation on this site put together by Roy Hobbes that explains the team's current salary structure and the how the salary rules are applied in the league.   It's very well written and explained.  It'll save you from making comments such as the ones in your post.

In fact, here's the link
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=28668.0
It's one of the headline topics of the Celtics Talk set of topics.