Sheed Non-Chemistry Related Thread

[Greenbean]

We have seen Ray Allen come out of his season long shooting slump recently. Rasheed has been in a similar slump from 3 all season long. It has been beyond painful seeing this guy brick three after three.

I do not see a difference in Rasheed's shooting form however and I think Rasheed can and hopefully will start shooting the three better. If you remember, what was really intriguing about Rasheed was his defense and his ability to spread the floor with his shooting. This is really what we brought him here to do. He only started going to the post when he and the team realized his shooting slump was reaching rediculous levels.

My question, if Rasheed can start shooting at his career average of around 35% from three, what kind of impact could it have?

I personally think that Rasheed gets energized by his shooting and it would have an all around positive impact on his game and the spacing for the C's second unit. I am not as harsh on Sheed because when things are going this bad, he is by far the easiest scapegoat. Being the new addition with the kind of reputation he has means it is automatically his fault if there are chemistry issues. Even thoughh all accounts from his former coaches and teammates indicate that he is a great teammate. However, his shooting has been atrocious and I think it will get better. Will it even matter? I think in the playoffs if we can get this guy shooting the ball better it will make a huge difference.

[sk7326]

he is a great teammate by all accounts - but not a guy who likes being the focus (when good, or bad).  And he has been awful this season - in terms of not showing up in shape and not seeming to be professional to his ability. 

if he can make more 3s, that would help obviously ... but really the defense and attention to detail needs to get better.  this team's bench really is not great to begin with (was overreported before the season started) and sheed's struggles have made them desperately thin.

[Neurotic Guy]

The main cause of the Celtic demise this season is painfully obvious: The Big 3 of 2009-10 are not the Big 3 of 2007-8.  The thing is (IMO) the '3' really need to be very close to 100% of their former selves for this team to be a contender. 90%, especially on the defensive end, will not cut it -- even considering the improvement of Perk and Rondo.   

If the miracle of rejuvination comes to be, then they could easily claim to be a better team than their 2007-8 version (something they'd have to be in order to beat this year's Cavs or Lakers). While their improvement would be due mainly to Rondo and Perk, one could also cite the fact that Sheed is far better than PJ Brown was.  The 'legend of PJ' aside, he was not much of an impact (in fact, virtually none) throughout his regular season stint, and it was only a few key moments in the playoffs that leave us yearning for PJ.  Look at his playoff stats -- pretty uninspiring.  Sheed has far more to offer than PJ at both ends of the court.   So... the bottom line is not, and never has been, Sheed's performance.  The bottom line is, and always has been, the health of the Big 3. 

[BballTim]

The main cause of the Celtic demise this season is painfully obvious: The Big 3 of 2009-10 are not the Big 3 of 2007-8.  The thing is (IMO) the '3' really need to be very close to 100% of their former selves for this team to be a contender. 90%, especially on the defensive end, will not cut it -- even considering the improvement of Perk and Rondo.   

If the miracle of rejuvination comes to be, then they could easily claim to be a better team than their 2007-8 version (something they'd have to be in order to beat this year's Cavs or Lakers). While their improvement would be due mainly to Rondo and Perk, one could also cite the fact that Sheed is far better than PJ Brown was.  The 'legend of PJ' aside, he was not much of an impact (in fact, virtually none) throughout his regular season stint, and it was only a few key moments in the playoffs that leave us yearning for PJ.  Look at his playoff stats -- pretty uninspiring.  Sheed has far more to offer than PJ at both ends of the court.   So... the bottom line is not, and never has been, Sheed's performance.  The bottom line is, and always has been, the health of the Big 3. 

  Not for nothing, but the 08 team would cruise to the title this year. If the big three were 90% of what they were 2 years ago we'd have to get bored to lose more than 1 game in a series.

[Neurotic Guy]

The main cause of the Celtic demise this season is painfully obvious: The Big 3 of 2009-10 are not the Big 3 of 2007-8.  The thing is (IMO) the '3' really need to be very close to 100% of their former selves for this team to be a contender. 90%, especially on the defensive end, will not cut it -- even considering the improvement of Perk and Rondo.   

If the miracle of rejuvination comes to be, then they could easily claim to be a better team than their 2007-8 version (something they'd have to be in order to beat this year's Cavs or Lakers). While their improvement would be due mainly to Rondo and Perk, one could also cite the fact that Sheed is far better than PJ Brown was.  The 'legend of PJ' aside, he was not much of an impact (in fact, virtually none) throughout his regular season stint, and it was only a few key moments in the playoffs that leave us yearning for PJ.  Look at his playoff stats -- pretty uninspiring.  Sheed has far more to offer than PJ at both ends of the court.   So... the bottom line is not, and never has been, Sheed's performance.  The bottom line is, and always has been, the health of the Big 3. 

  Not for nothing, but the 08 team would cruise to the title this year. If the big three were 90% of what they were 2 years ago we'd have to get bored to lose more than 1 game in a series.

If you are correct then there is still a pulse, as I think 90% of their '08 selves is possible.  Ray is there, Paul was there till his injury, and KG might be able to get there.  But, I do think you are wrong -- it will take more than 90%.

[PLamb]

We have seen Ray Allen come out of his season long shooting slump recently. Rasheed has been in a similar slump from 3 all season long. It has been beyond painful seeing this guy brick three after three.

I do not see a difference in Rasheed's shooting form however and I think Rasheed can and hopefully will start shooting the three better. If you remember, what was really intriguing about Rasheed was his defense and his ability to spread the floor with his shooting. This is really what we brought him here to do. He only started going to the post when he and the team realized his shooting slump was reaching rediculous levels.

My question, if Rasheed can start shooting at his career average of around 35% from three, what kind of impact could it have?

I personally think that Rasheed gets energized by his shooting and it would have an all around positive impact on his game and the spacing for the C's second unit. I am not as harsh on Sheed because when things are going this bad, he is by far the easiest scapegoat. Being the new addition with the kind of reputation he has means it is automatically his fault if there are chemistry issues. Even thoughh all accounts from his former coaches and teammates indicate that he is a great teammate. However, his shooting has been atrocious and I think it will get better. Will it even matter? I think in the playoffs if we can get this guy shooting the ball better it will make a huge difference.

Just so that we are starting at a factual point Ray Allen has NOT been in a shooting slump this year

His FG% and True Shooting % is as good this year as it has ever been in the past

What he has struggled with is his three point shooting and sorry to say but he's struggling with it

Over the last 5 games he's shooting 35.5% from three
Over the last month he is shooting 35.4% from three
For the year he is shooting 34.3% from three

Any way use measure it, he has been as bad shooting threes this year as he has been at any point in his career

And it's not getting better




Sorry for the tangent but when you lead the thread off with false facts, they should be corrected

[Greenbean]

We have seen Ray Allen come out of his season long shooting slump recently. Rasheed has been in a similar slump from 3 all season long. It has been beyond painful seeing this guy brick three after three.

I do not see a difference in Rasheed's shooting form however and I think Rasheed can and hopefully will start shooting the three better. If you remember, what was really intriguing about Rasheed was his defense and his ability to spread the floor with his shooting. This is really what we brought him here to do. He only started going to the post when he and the team realized his shooting slump was reaching rediculous levels.

My question, if Rasheed can start shooting at his career average of around 35% from three, what kind of impact could it have?

I personally think that Rasheed gets energized by his shooting and it would have an all around positive impact on his game and the spacing for the C's second unit. I am not as harsh on Sheed because when things are going this bad, he is by far the easiest scapegoat. Being the new addition with the kind of reputation he has means it is automatically his fault if there are chemistry issues. Even thoughh all accounts from his former coaches and teammates indicate that he is a great teammate. However, his shooting has been atrocious and I think it will get better. Will it even matter? I think in the playoffs if we can get this guy shooting the ball better it will make a huge difference.

Just so that we are starting at a factual point Ray Allen has NOT been in a shooting slump this year

His FG% and True Shooting % is as good this year as it has ever been in the past

What he has struggled with is his three point shooting and sorry to say but he's struggling with it

Over the last 5 games he's shooting 35.5% from three
Over the last month he is shooting 35.4% from three
For the year he is shooting 34.3% from three

Any way use measure it, he has been as bad shooting threes this year as he has been at any point in his career

And it's not getting better




Sorry for the tangent but when you lead the thread off with false facts, they should be corrected

Ray Allen has been playing and shooting better for the past 5 or 6 games and its obvious and glaring. Its about consistency and Ray has been more consistent lately. Not just from three but his overall shooting. Ray is making more shots how can you argue that?

From Three:

November: 25.0%
December: 39.5%
January: 31.9%
February: 35.4%

Overall:

Nov: 47.3%
Dec: 44.5%
Jan: 43.7%
Feb: 50.6%

He had a big jump in February in shot making all around and his 3pt percentage wasnt a wild swing in either direction like the 3 previous months. I didnt think we would even have to discuss stats if we were talking about Ray coming out of a slump. I thought that was obvious to everyone.

Either way my whole point is that Rasheed should start shooting like he has his whole career from three. Some things go awway overnight, but shooting should be the last skill that erodes. Sheed needs to be a big part of this team's in season ressurection (for better or worse) and his shooting will have a lot to do with it. As effective as he can be on the post, him shooting and spacing the floor will be equally as effective.

[PLamb]

We have seen Ray Allen come out of his season long shooting slump recently. Rasheed has been in a similar slump from 3 all season long. It has been beyond painful seeing this guy brick three after three.

I do not see a difference in Rasheed's shooting form however and I think Rasheed can and hopefully will start shooting the three better. If you remember, what was really intriguing about Rasheed was his defense and his ability to spread the floor with his shooting. This is really what we brought him here to do. He only started going to the post when he and the team realized his shooting slump was reaching rediculous levels.

My question, if Rasheed can start shooting at his career average of around 35% from three, what kind of impact could it have?

I personally think that Rasheed gets energized by his shooting and it would have an all around positive impact on his game and the spacing for the C's second unit. I am not as harsh on Sheed because when things are going this bad, he is by far the easiest scapegoat. Being the new addition with the kind of reputation he has means it is automatically his fault if there are chemistry issues. Even thoughh all accounts from his former coaches and teammates indicate that he is a great teammate. However, his shooting has been atrocious and I think it will get better. Will it even matter? I think in the playoffs if we can get this guy shooting the ball better it will make a huge difference.

Just so that we are starting at a factual point Ray Allen has NOT been in a shooting slump this year

His FG% and True Shooting % is as good this year as it has ever been in the past

What he has struggled with is his three point shooting and sorry to say but he's struggling with it

Over the last 5 games he's shooting 35.5% from three
Over the last month he is shooting 35.4% from three
For the year he is shooting 34.3% from three

Any way use measure it, he has been as bad shooting threes this year as he has been at any point in his career

And it's not getting better




Sorry for the tangent but when you lead the thread off with false facts, they should be corrected

Ray Allen has been playing and shooting better for the past 5 or 6 games and its obvious and glaring. Its about consistency and Ray has been more consistent lately. Not just from three but his overall shooting. Ray is making more shots how can you argue that?

From Three:

November: 25.0%
December: 39.5%
January: 31.9%
February: 35.4%

Overall:

Nov: 47.3%
Dec: 44.5%
Jan: 43.7%
Feb: 50.6%

He had a big jump in February in shot making all around and his 3pt percentage wasnt a wild swing in either direction like the 3 previous months. I didnt think we would even have to discuss stats if we were talking about Ray coming out of a slump. I thought that was obvious to everyone.

Either way my whole point is that Rasheed should start shooting like he has his whole career from three. Some things go awway overnight, but shooting should be the last skill that erodes. Sheed needs to be a big part of this team's in season ressurection (for better or worse) and his shooting will have a lot to do with it. As effective as he can be on the post, him shooting and spacing the floor will be equally as effective.

Sorry but your interpretation of Ray's numbers are just plain wrong and they are not glaringly in favor of your point

For Ray's career he shoots a FG% of 44.9%
For this year he is shooting a FG% of 46.2%

For Ray's career he is shooting a FT% of 89.3%
For this year he is shooting a FT% of 89.4%

For his career Ray is shooting a TS% of 57.5%
For this year he is shooting a TS% of 58.1%

For Ray's career he is shooting a 3PT% of 39.5%
For this year he is shooting a 3PT% of 34.3%
For the last month Ray is shooting a 3PT% of 35.4%
For the last 5 games he is shooting a 3PT% of 35.5%

Any way you look at the numbers and compare them to what he has done over his career Ray has been shooting just fine this year except for one area, three point shooting

That's it

And in that area of his shooting, he simply is still struggling

The legs are the first thing to go on a shooting guard and when they do the one of the first things to go in a shooting guards game is his ability to consistently hit the outside shot

Ray's 3PT shooting has taken a consistent step backwards this year

He's still great from inside the arc and at the line

But his distance shooting has suffered and shown no signs of improving




As for your point about Sheed

That's not going to happen

Sheed knows it, Danny knows it and Doc knows it

That's why you are going to see more of a dedication to Rasheed's inside game

[Greenbean]

We have seen Ray Allen come out of his season long shooting slump recently. Rasheed has been in a similar slump from 3 all season long. It has been beyond painful seeing this guy brick three after three.

I do not see a difference in Rasheed's shooting form however and I think Rasheed can and hopefully will start shooting the three better. If you remember, what was really intriguing about Rasheed was his defense and his ability to spread the floor with his shooting. This is really what we brought him here to do. He only started going to the post when he and the team realized his shooting slump was reaching rediculous levels.

My question, if Rasheed can start shooting at his career average of around 35% from three, what kind of impact could it have?

I personally think that Rasheed gets energized by his shooting and it would have an all around positive impact on his game and the spacing for the C's second unit. I am not as harsh on Sheed because when things are going this bad, he is by far the easiest scapegoat. Being the new addition with the kind of reputation he has means it is automatically his fault if there are chemistry issues. Even thoughh all accounts from his former coaches and teammates indicate that he is a great teammate. However, his shooting has been atrocious and I think it will get better. Will it even matter? I think in the playoffs if we can get this guy shooting the ball better it will make a huge difference.

Just so that we are starting at a factual point Ray Allen has NOT been in a shooting slump this year

His FG% and True Shooting % is as good this year as it has ever been in the past

What he has struggled with is his three point shooting and sorry to say but he's struggling with it

Over the last 5 games he's shooting 35.5% from three
Over the last month he is shooting 35.4% from three
For the year he is shooting 34.3% from three

Any way use measure it, he has been as bad shooting threes this year as he has been at any point in his career

And it's not getting better




Sorry for the tangent but when you lead the thread off with false facts, they should be corrected

Ray Allen has been playing and shooting better for the past 5 or 6 games and its obvious and glaring. Its about consistency and Ray has been more consistent lately. Not just from three but his overall shooting. Ray is making more shots how can you argue that?

From Three:

November: 25.0%
December: 39.5%
January: 31.9%
February: 35.4%

Overall:

Nov: 47.3%
Dec: 44.5%
Jan: 43.7%
Feb: 50.6%

He had a big jump in February in shot making all around and his 3pt percentage wasnt a wild swing in either direction like the 3 previous months. I didnt think we would even have to discuss stats if we were talking about Ray coming out of a slump. I thought that was obvious to everyone.

Either way my whole point is that Rasheed should start shooting like he has his whole career from three. Some things go awway overnight, but shooting should be the last skill that erodes. Sheed needs to be a big part of this team's in season ressurection (for better or worse) and his shooting will have a lot to do with it. As effective as he can be on the post, him shooting and spacing the floor will be equally as effective.

Sorry but your interpretation of Ray's numbers are just plain wrong and they are not glaringly in favor of your point

For Ray's career he shoots a FG% of 44.9%
For this year he is shooting a FG% of 46.2%

For Ray's career he is shooting a FT% of 89.3%
For this year he is shooting a FT% of 89.4%

For his career Ray is shooting a TS% of 57.5%
For this year he is shooting a TS% of 58.1%

For Ray's career he is shooting a 3PT% of 39.5%
For this year he is shooting a 3PT% of 34.3%
For the last month Ray is shooting a 3PT% of 35.4%
For the last 5 games he is shooting a 3PT% of 35.5%

Any way you look at the numbers and compare them to what he has done over his career Ray has been shooting just fine this year except for one area, three point shooting

That's it

And in that area of his shooting, he simply is still struggling

The legs are the first thing to go on a shooting guard and when they do the one of the first things to go in a shooting guards game is his ability to consistently hit the outside shot

Ray's 3PT shooting has taken a consistent step backwards this year

He's still great from inside the arc and at the line

But his distance shooting has suffered and shown no signs of improving




As for your point about Sheed

That's not going to happen

Sheed knows it, Danny knows it and Doc knows it

That's why you are going to see more of a dedication to Rasheed's inside game

Okay you dont think Ray Allen is shooting better this past month, not even since the trading deadline. That's fine I dont need to argue with you because i dont need any stats to see that. Even from inside the arc his shooting percentage has jumped in the past month overall.

The only number that hasnt greatly improved in the last month was from 3, but 35% is still a good percentage and trending upwards from the previous month when he shot 31.9%. Im willing to bet it will increase again this month and he will shoot around 50% again overall.

Back to Sheed. It seems like you are a stat guy. Why cant Sheed approach his career average in 3pt shooting percentage? What evidence do you have? What inside information do you have to also know that Doc, Sheed Wyc, and Danny agree with your proclamation of the death of Sheed's shooting stroke?

[Greenbean]

More Ray Allen Stats:

Jan 14-Feb 15 (Month before trading deadline)

Shooting %: 40%
3pt: 25%

Since: 58%
3pt: 40

Edit: Added 3pt %