Big salary rollback coming in the NBA

[Roy Hobbs]

The CBA stories coming out now are all nonsense.

Extreme suggestions to help negotiations at a later date.

I wouldn't pay any attention to them. Wait until it closer to the time before examining them.

Yeah, the NBA is definitely overreaching.  Any time you see two parties start this far apart, you know it's going to be a long, contentious negotiation.

[guava_wrench]

I have no problem with players making substantially less. They play basketball for goodness sake. Not exactly the same as a cop, firefighter, teacher, doctor or nurse.

So the owners should make more? The players actually do the work. The owners are also way richer.

I really don't get that grumpy old man logic.

[guava_wrench]

I don't care how much they make.  Any player that is good and is smart with their money will be set for life without ever making NBA "max" money. 


I don't care how much money the franchises make.  I don't care how much money the coaches make.  I don't care how much money the owners make.  I don't care how much money the networks make.



All I care about is the NBA putting the best product they can on the court.  And I think they are failing at that by restricting teams roster flexibility with guaranteed contracts.  I think it fails the league by not increasing the age of incoming NBA players by giving scouts more time to look at them develop not to mention the extra developmental time players get in college or overseas.  (I don't care which path they take)  I think they fail by making the game star driven instead o team driven.


So, I am rooting for the teams in this fight.  I want the NBA to become a league where teams can turn around quickly.  A league where good GM and franchise's rule, not the lucky ones (Cleveland)

Luck will always be more important. Too few key players per team. A single career ending injury or lucky lottery outcome will always carry too much weight. Talent evaluation is also a crap shoot because not enough personnel decisions are made to expect a strong correlation between GM skill and how good the roster is. Especially when the GMs usually aren't in the position to make the personnel decisions they want since multiple teams are competing for the same players.

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I have no problem with players making substantially less. They play basketball for goodness sake. Not exactly the same as a cop, firefighter, teacher, doctor or nurse.

So the owners should make more? The players actually do the work. The owners are also way richer.

I really don't get that grumpy old man logic.

I think the logic is that the owners are the only ones taking risk, since they're the only ones that can actually lose money.  Players will get paid, even if the gym is as empty.

[Andy Jick]

NFL and NBA CBA's should be interesting to watch...

rough economy + greed + hurting families = recipe for disaster

[sk7326]

I don't care how much they make.  Any player that is good and is smart with their money will be set for life without ever making NBA "max" money. 


I don't care how much money the franchises make.  I don't care how much money the coaches make.  I don't care how much money the owners make.  I don't care how much money the networks make.



All I care about is the NBA putting the best product they can on the court.  And I think they are failing at that by restricting teams roster flexibility with guaranteed contracts.  I think it fails the league by not increasing the age of incoming NBA players by giving scouts more time to look at them develop not to mention the extra developmental time players get in college or overseas.  (I don't care which path they take)  I think they fail by making the game star driven instead o team driven.


So, I am rooting for the teams in this fight.  I want the NBA to become a league where teams can turn around quickly.  A league where good GM and franchise's rule, not the lucky ones (Cleveland)

I'm sorry you don't like Steve Nash, LeBron James or Rajon Rondo ...

Funny thing about the age limit is that how many mistakes did scouts make with high schoolers, honestly?  Kobe, Amare, KG, LeBron ... Kwame Brown was a bust, but if you look at that draft, it made sense.  The age limit is about MARKETING not scouting - so the league can get a couple of free years of marketing from the NCAA.  But the scouts have made the right decisions on the high schoolers who have declared - certainly at no higher a bust rate than college seniors.

It is tempting to say today's players are lazier and more me-oriented.  I'd suggest those people read The Breaks of the Game ... or look up Marvin Barnes on google sometime.

[tobee07]

I love the C's but I am hoping for a lock out. Economically the NBA is completely out of whack.

The players only are worth their salaries if they are making money for the owners who are assuming the risk in the transaction. In many cases they are not making money for the owners.

I say reduce salaries 25% at least.

If the players don't like the deal then they can go play in Europe or change careers. And that's what funny about this is to think that the players have leverage. They are grown men without any tangible skill, except the ability to entertain, making $5 million a year on average.

The fact is that a typical NBA player, someone like Rasheed Wallace, doesn't have box office appeal and doesn't sell tickets. Sure there are 30 or so players who actually make money for owners but most players are interchangeable from a marketing standpoint. The fact that people like Rasheed Wallace can make nearly $100 million in a career is economically unsustainable.

Besides, if the players are not making the owners money, what is the point anyway? More than half will declare bankruptcy in less than a decade, so they can just burn through $30 million rather than $100 million.

Less people are coming to the games and the TV ratings have been declining overall for more than a decade.

This has been a long time coming.

[wdleehi]

I don't care how much they make.  Any player that is good and is smart with their money will be set for life without ever making NBA "max" money. 


I don't care how much money the franchises make.  I don't care how much money the coaches make.  I don't care how much money the owners make.  I don't care how much money the networks make.



All I care about is the NBA putting the best product they can on the court.  And I think they are failing at that by restricting teams roster flexibility with guaranteed contracts.  I think it fails the league by not increasing the age of incoming NBA players by giving scouts more time to look at them develop not to mention the extra developmental time players get in college or overseas.  (I don't care which path they take)  I think they fail by making the game star driven instead o team driven.


So, I am rooting for the teams in this fight.  I want the NBA to become a league where teams can turn around quickly.  A league where good GM and franchise's rule, not the lucky ones (Cleveland)

I'm sorry you don't like Steve Nash, LeBron James or Rajon Rondo ...

Funny thing about the age limit is that how many mistakes did scouts make with high schoolers, honestly?  Kobe, Amare, KG, LeBron ... Kwame Brown was a bust, but if you look at that draft, it made sense.  The age limit is about MARKETING not scouting - so the league can get a couple of free years of marketing from the NCAA.  But the scouts have made the right decisions on the high schoolers who have declared - certainly at no higher a bust rate than college seniors.

It is tempting to say today's players are lazier and more me-oriented.  I'd suggest those people read The Breaks of the Game ... or look up Marvin Barnes on google sometime.

Funny.  I would have guessed a league that adjusted the rules towards team vs. stars would improve the value of pass first PGs like Nash and Rondo. 


The fact you can not name the High Schoolers that failed says volumes.  I will go even further, how many one and doners have ended up less talented then scouts thought because they didn't get to see them?  How many overly athletic guys never develop sitting on an NBA bench? 

No, making players being older to enter the league only hurts the overhyped and the overathletic with not disire or effort in improving.  Who does it help?  Those players that want to put in the work to become NBA player. 

And all those guys you mentioned would still have been drafted into the NBA.  Though some of them would probably have been drafted higher. 

[wdleehi]

I don't care how much they make.  Any player that is good and is smart with their money will be set for life without ever making NBA "max" money. 


I don't care how much money the franchises make.  I don't care how much money the coaches make.  I don't care how much money the owners make.  I don't care how much money the networks make.



All I care about is the NBA putting the best product they can on the court.  And I think they are failing at that by restricting teams roster flexibility with guaranteed contracts.  I think it fails the league by not increasing the age of incoming NBA players by giving scouts more time to look at them develop not to mention the extra developmental time players get in college or overseas.  (I don't care which path they take)  I think they fail by making the game star driven instead o team driven.


So, I am rooting for the teams in this fight.  I want the NBA to become a league where teams can turn around quickly.  A league where good GM and franchise's rule, not the lucky ones (Cleveland)

Luck will always be more important. Too few key players per team. A single career ending injury or lucky lottery outcome will always carry too much weight. Talent evaluation is also a crap shoot because not enough personnel decisions are made to expect a strong correlation between GM skill and how good the roster is. Especially when the GMs usually aren't in the position to make the personnel decisions they want since multiple teams are competing for the same players.

True.


But adjusting the rules would open up more chances for well run teams that do not get lucky to have a chance by putting together strong teams. 

[RebusRankin]

Kwame Brown
Eddie Curry
Darius Miles
Desanga Diop
Keorleone Young
Johnathan Bender
Ndubi Ebi

All high school busts

[QuinielaBox]

NFL and NBA CBA's should be interesting to watch...

rough economy + greed + hurting families = recipe for disaster

Well, Andy, maybe some good can come out of all this. Tom Brady did say that we athletes are way overpaid to have fun out there. Perhaps he can set a good example and take a 30 percent pay cut on his extension.

Plus we can cut Rash Weeds SORRY ASS!!!!

[Andy Jick]

NFL and NBA CBA's should be interesting to watch...

rough economy + greed + hurting families = recipe for disaster

Well, Andy, maybe some good can come out of all this. Tom Brady did say that we athletes are way overpaid to have fun out there. Perhaps he can set a good example and take a 30 percent pay cut on his extension.

Plus we can cut Rash Weeds SORRY ASS!!!!

Brady's quote sounds nice in theory...but they won't negotiate the next CBA with that quote hanging on the wall on a huge banner.  It's always about money...billions and billions of it.  nobody takes less money in life, unless you're a teacher, public servant, factory worker - you know, us "normal" people...

[Kwhit10]

So they'll pay players less and lower operating costs, but will we see ticket prices go down?...

[clover]

I have no problem with players making substantially less. They play basketball for goodness sake. Not exactly the same as a cop, firefighter, teacher, doctor or nurse.

So the owners should make more? The players actually do the work. The owners are also way richer.

I really don't get that grumpy old man logic.

I think the logic is that the owners are the only ones taking risk, since they're the only ones that can actually lose money.  Players will get paid, even if the gym is as empty.

That grumpy old man logic also has to do with the reality of the capital (and usually debt service) as well as risk that the owners are in for.  Rich players are welcome to pay back into ownership if they think ownership is getting a better than market-value deal.  (Or they just want to keep a hand in the League.)