Judging From These Last Three Games.....

[Chris]

Better question, will this push Ainge to find one more player to add to this team that can be the 10th man in the rotation that can play minutes.  Someone to fit in the backcourt/sf rotations (as Davis's return will be all that is needed for the front court)


Someone that can make these back to back games less of a drag on the key players. 

  I think the 2nd unit operates better with Pierce or Allen in the game than they would without one of them in. Neither of them are playing more than 35 minutes a game or so.

While I agree, I think Doc would prefer to go with a 5 man second unit for at least a few minutes per game, in order to get a little extra rest.

The other issue is that having only Daniels as a legit backup wing (although Scal looked good the other night) makes it tough for them to get everyone proper rest when there are injuries or foul trouble. 

I am hoping Walker can step in and get some of those minutes though. 

[nesnfsn]

Anyone else wondering whether Doc should give Hudson some time at the point with second unit for ball handling and driving purposes.

I am not looking to debate whether Doc is holding him back because he is a rookie. Can't be because Hudson is not earning the run during practice, as we know that there wasn't much practice time during this 8 game stretch.

[Chris]

Anyone else wondering whether Doc should give Hudson some time at the point with second unit for ball handling and driving purposes.

I am not looking to debate whether Doc is holding him back because he is a rookie. Can't be because Hudson is not earning the run during practice, as we know that there wasn't much practice time during this 8 game stretch.

I think the problem is that it needs to be against the right match-ups.  Having House and Hudson on the floor together puts the C's at a disadvantage defensively against most teams, and I am not sure if Hudson is good enough yet to make up for that on the offensive end.

[liam]

Anyone else wondering whether Doc should give Hudson some time at the point with second unit for ball handling and driving purposes.

I am not looking to debate whether Doc is holding him back because he is a rookie. Can't be because Hudson is not earning the run during practice, as we know that there wasn't much practice time during this 8 game stretch.

I too think Hudson should get some time. Every time he's gotten on the floor he works hard and makes few mistakes.

[nickagneta]

But if he is going to be on the floor it HAS to be at the expense of Eddie House. You just can't use a Hudson/House backcourt for any length of time due to the obvious mismatch the other team can throw at the C's based on a big PG or SG or both. or the easily usable 1-3 or 2-4 high screens other teams could pull hoping to get Hudson or House isolated on a SF or PF. It would be a defensive disaster.

So the question is, do you continue with the current rotation with Daniels and House in the back court off the bench and let Eddie be a SG on offense and Daniels the point or do you make Daniels a slashing SG and have Hudson run the point for the second team. Because personally, a Daniels, House, Hudson 1,2,3 position second team looks very susceptible to giving up big points to me.

[Fafnir]

But if he is going to be on the floor it HAS to be at the expense of Eddie House. You just can't use a Hudson/House backcourt for any length of time due to the obvious mismatch the other team can throw at the C's based on a big PG or SG or both. or the easily usable 1-3 or 2-4 high screens other teams could pull hoping to get Hudson or House isolated on a SF or PF. It would be a defensive disaster.

So the question is, do you continue with the current rotation with Daniels and House in the back court off the bench and let Eddie be a SG on offense and Daniels the point or do you make Daniels a slashing SG and have Hudson run the point for the second team. Because personally, a Daniels, House, Hudson 1,2,3 position second team looks very susceptible to giving up big points to me.

Or they could just put in a big SG and a big SF and go to town on us. We watched the Pistons abuse Marbury in this way last year.

House has to play the PG position defensively, and I don't have any confidence that Hudson can defend legit NBA 2s.

[nickagneta]

But if he is going to be on the floor it HAS to be at the expense of Eddie House. You just can't use a Hudson/House backcourt for any length of time due to the obvious mismatch the other team can throw at the C's based on a big PG or SG or both. or the easily usable 1-3 or 2-4 high screens other teams could pull hoping to get Hudson or House isolated on a SF or PF. It would be a defensive disaster.

So the question is, do you continue with the current rotation with Daniels and House in the back court off the bench and let Eddie be a SG on offense and Daniels the point or do you make Daniels a slashing SG and have Hudson run the point for the second team. Because personally, a Daniels, House, Hudson 1,2,3 position second team looks very susceptible to giving up big points to me.

Or they could just put in a big SG and a big SF and go to town on us. We watched the Pistons abuse Marbury in this way last year.

House has to play the PG position defensively, and I don't have any confidence that Hudson can defend legit NBA 2s.

Me either. I think for those wanting to see more Hudson, you have to resign yourselves to realizing that to do so it will be at the expense of Eddie House. Is that a switch you really want to make just to see if the kid can play?

[tbs]

The elderly need more sleep.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071221092738AAZBX9z

[Chris]

The elderly need more sleep.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071221092738AAZBX9z

Wow.  That link is a great example of why you should never ask a legitimate question on a site like Yahoo answers. 

[Tai]

But if he is going to be on the floor it HAS to be at the expense of Eddie House. You just can't use a Hudson/House backcourt for any length of time due to the obvious mismatch the other team can throw at the C's based on a big PG or SG or both. or the easily usable 1-3 or 2-4 high screens other teams could pull hoping to get Hudson or House isolated on a SF or PF. It would be a defensive disaster.

So the question is, do you continue with the current rotation with Daniels and House in the back court off the bench and let Eddie be a SG on offense and Daniels the point or do you make Daniels a slashing SG and have Hudson run the point for the second team. Because personally, a Daniels, House, Hudson 1,2,3 position second team looks very susceptible to giving up big points to me.

This sounds so much better an explanation for why Hudson doesn't play right now than simply "he's a rookie", cause that just wore on me very quickly from the first time I ever heard it. At least people are jumping off Giddens' bandwagon, though. (Oh, and TP for you)

So that all said, I'm comfortable with a Daniels and House backcourt.

[GreenFaith1819]

Better question, will this push Ainge to find one more player to add to this team that can be the 10th man in the rotation that can play minutes.  Someone to fit in the backcourt/sf rotations (as Davis's return will be all that is needed for the front court)


Someone that can make these back to back games less of a drag on the key players. 

IMO I believe Tony Allen is the player we need..once we get him back healthy, he is a solid defender and a pretty good slasher. He doesn't have three-pt range, but that is what House and Sheed are for.

TA can be that extra wing we need (in addition to Marquis Daniels).

Plus he is good at the free throw line.

IMO we have all the players we need right here. Just get everyone back healthy.

And don't forget about Bill Walker...he's a tough slasher as well.

Plus we are getting every teams best shots..Minny played us to near overtime, then they go out and lose to MIL at home by 15 pts. And that Oleksiyy kid scored only 3 pts or something.

The Celtics brings out the best in everyone we play. Even LA don't get that intense opposition out of teams.

TA has been a failure at such a role in the past.  Why should we expect any difference this year?

I believe it appears that TA has been a failure because of his lack of playing time due to injuries.

It has been proven that if he can go a decent stretch with an injury, he finds a decent groove and is very productive (2006-2007 season when P2 was injured...TA led the C's in scoring at over 20 a game for a while...until he sustained that big injury on the dunk after the foul was called).

Yes he made a mistake that led to the injury and that through off the groove he was in, but imagine the mess the C's would have been in if TA had not stepped up in Paul Pierces' spot?

I have faith in TA. He is an above average defender (minus the Kobes and Lebrons of course). He is adept at getting to the basket and making his free throws. He cannot hit the 3 with much consistency, but that is why we have Sheed, Scal, and Eddie.

[nickagneta]

Better question, will this push Ainge to find one more player to add to this team that can be the 10th man in the rotation that can play minutes.  Someone to fit in the backcourt/sf rotations (as Davis's return will be all that is needed for the front court)


Someone that can make these back to back games less of a drag on the key players. 

IMO I believe Tony Allen is the player we need..once we get him back healthy, he is a solid defender and a pretty good slasher. He doesn't have three-pt range, but that is what House and Sheed are for.

TA can be that extra wing we need (in addition to Marquis Daniels).

Plus he is good at the free throw line.

IMO we have all the players we need right here. Just get everyone back healthy.

And don't forget about Bill Walker...he's a tough slasher as well.

Plus we are getting every teams best shots..Minny played us to near overtime, then they go out and lose to MIL at home by 15 pts. And that Oleksiyy kid scored only 3 pts or something.

The Celtics brings out the best in everyone we play. Even LA don't get that intense opposition out of teams.

TA has been a failure at such a role in the past.  Why should we expect any difference this year?

I believe it appears that TA has been a failure because of his lack of playing time due to injuries.

It has been proven that if he can go a decent stretch with an injury, he finds a decent groove and is very productive (2006-2007 season when P2 was injured...TA led the C's in scoring at over 20 a game for a while...until he sustained that big injury on the dunk after the foul was called).

Yes he made a mistake that led to the injury and that through off the groove he was in, but imagine the mess the C's would have been in if TA had not stepped up in Paul Pierces' spot?

I have faith in TA. He is an above average defender (minus the Kobes and Lebrons of course). He is adept at getting to the basket and making his free throws. He cannot hit the 3 with much consistency, but that is why we have Sheed, Scal, and Eddie.

Why oh why oh why do Tony Allen fans continue to point to a 16 game stretch where the Celtics had no one better to go to than Tony Allen as proof that Tony is something other than the Tony Allen that has appeared in the other 266 games he has played in.

Tony Allen is what he is. A somewhat brain dead basketball player with limited dribbling, passing, and shooting skills that is no better now than the day he show up in Celtics camp as a rookie out of OSU. Injuries be [dang]ed, his game never got better. He still goes for head fakes. he still makes stupid fouls at the worse times. He still dribbles to the basket with his head down and jumps wildly not knowing what he is going to do with the ball until he pulls his head up. He's a turnover waiting to happen. And he's vastly over rated as a defender often getting lost playing the game looking for the steal rather than rotating, switching, or following his assignment. And god forbid he ever gets a steal and has to lead the break. He's clueless in regards to spacing and when to make the right pass or even when to pass.

[GreenFaith1819]

Better question, will this push Ainge to find one more player to add to this team that can be the 10th man in the rotation that can play minutes.  Someone to fit in the backcourt/sf rotations (as Davis's return will be all that is needed for the front court)


Someone that can make these back to back games less of a drag on the key players. 

IMO I believe Tony Allen is the player we need..once we get him back healthy, he is a solid defender and a pretty good slasher. He doesn't have three-pt range, but that is what House and Sheed are for.

TA can be that extra wing we need (in addition to Marquis Daniels).

Plus he is good at the free throw line.

IMO we have all the players we need right here. Just get everyone back healthy.

And don't forget about Bill Walker...he's a tough slasher as well.

Plus we are getting every teams best shots..Minny played us to near overtime, then they go out and lose to MIL at home by 15 pts. And that Oleksiyy kid scored only 3 pts or something.

The Celtics brings out the best in everyone we play. Even LA don't get that intense opposition out of teams.

TA has been a failure at such a role in the past.  Why should we expect any difference this year?

I believe it appears that TA has been a failure because of his lack of playing time due to injuries.

It has been proven that if he can go a decent stretch with an injury, he finds a decent groove and is very productive (2006-2007 season when P2 was injured...TA led the C's in scoring at over 20 a game for a while...until he sustained that big injury on the dunk after the foul was called).

Yes he made a mistake that led to the injury and that through off the groove he was in, but imagine the mess the C's would have been in if TA had not stepped up in Paul Pierces' spot?

I have faith in TA. He is an above average defender (minus the Kobes and Lebrons of course). He is adept at getting to the basket and making his free throws. He cannot hit the 3 with much consistency, but that is why we have Sheed, Scal, and Eddie.

Why oh why oh why do Tony Allen fans continue to point to a 16 game stretch where the Celtics had no one better to go to than Tony Allen as proof that Tony is something other than the Tony Allen that has appeared in the other 266 games he has played in.

Tony Allen is what he is. A somewhat brain dead basketball player with limited dribbling, passing, and shooting skills that is no better now than the day he show up in Celtics camp as a rookie out of OSU. Injuries be [dang]ed, his game never got better. He still goes for head fakes. he still makes stupid fouls at the worse times. He still dribbles to the basket with his head down and jumps wildly not knowing what he is going to do with the ball until he pulls his head up. He's a turnover waiting to happen. And he's vastly over rated as a defender often getting lost playing the game looking for the steal rather than rotating, switching, or following his assignment. And god forbid he ever gets a steal and has to lead the break. He's clueless in regards to spacing and when to make the right pass or even when to pass.

Wow..so you can't say ONE thing positive about the guy?

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

THE SKY IS FALLING PEOPLE!

Seriously though?

We're 7-1, and to be honest, I"m kind of relieved to get that first loss out of the way. It keeps us grounded, honest, hungry, and we don't take anybody lightly.

Sidenote: The 95-96 Bulls lost their 6th game.

[wdleehi]

Better question, will this push Ainge to find one more player to add to this team that can be the 10th man in the rotation that can play minutes.  Someone to fit in the backcourt/sf rotations (as Davis's return will be all that is needed for the front court)


Someone that can make these back to back games less of a drag on the key players. 

IMO I believe Tony Allen is the player we need..once we get him back healthy, he is a solid defender and a pretty good slasher. He doesn't have three-pt range, but that is what House and Sheed are for.

TA can be that extra wing we need (in addition to Marquis Daniels).

Plus he is good at the free throw line.

IMO we have all the players we need right here. Just get everyone back healthy.

And don't forget about Bill Walker...he's a tough slasher as well.

Plus we are getting every teams best shots..Minny played us to near overtime, then they go out and lose to MIL at home by 15 pts. And that Oleksiyy kid scored only 3 pts or something.

The Celtics brings out the best in everyone we play. Even LA don't get that intense opposition out of teams.

TA has been a failure at such a role in the past.  Why should we expect any difference this year?

I believe it appears that TA has been a failure because of his lack of playing time due to injuries.

It has been proven that if he can go a decent stretch with an injury, he finds a decent groove and is very productive (2006-2007 season when P2 was injured...TA led the C's in scoring at over 20 a game for a while...until he sustained that big injury on the dunk after the foul was called).

Yes he made a mistake that led to the injury and that through off the groove he was in, but imagine the mess the C's would have been in if TA had not stepped up in Paul Pierces' spot?

I have faith in TA. He is an above average defender (minus the Kobes and Lebrons of course). He is adept at getting to the basket and making his free throws. He cannot hit the 3 with much consistency, but that is why we have Sheed, Scal, and Eddie.

Why oh why oh why do Tony Allen fans continue to point to a 16 game stretch where the Celtics had no one better to go to than Tony Allen as proof that Tony is something other than the Tony Allen that has appeared in the other 266 games he has played in.

Tony Allen is what he is. A somewhat brain dead basketball player with limited dribbling, passing, and shooting skills that is no better now than the day he show up in Celtics camp as a rookie out of OSU. Injuries be [dang]ed, his game never got better. He still goes for head fakes. he still makes stupid fouls at the worse times. He still dribbles to the basket with his head down and jumps wildly not knowing what he is going to do with the ball until he pulls his head up. He's a turnover waiting to happen. And he's vastly over rated as a defender often getting lost playing the game looking for the steal rather than rotating, switching, or following his assignment. And god forbid he ever gets a steal and has to lead the break. He's clueless in regards to spacing and when to make the right pass or even when to pass.

Wow..so you can't say ONE thing positive about the guy?

He could be an almost star on a really bad team as a starting SG (like when Pierce was injured and he was the Celtics almost star starting that short stretch)

But his role on the Celtics would be reserve role player off the bench.  A role he has failed at year after year.