Is Grant Hill worth the risk?

[Cman]

i can't believe nobody mentioned "classy" yet. ha. i'm pretty bummed if hill is the best we can do.

Name one other FA swingman out there the Celtics could get for the LLE or vet min that would be as good?

Can Hill be had for the vet min or LLE?
What if it requires $3M to get Hill?  Would you then want Hill at, say, $3M for 3 years, or Matt Barnes at the LLE?

Why does everyone keep assuming Hill will come to Boston for a pile of beans and a clean jock strap?

[cornbreadsmart]

man, I LOVE JOHN THOMPSON!!!

[wdleehi]

i can't believe nobody mentioned "classy" yet. ha. i'm pretty bummed if hill is the best we can do.

Name one other FA swingman out there the Celtics could get for the LLE or vet min that would be as good?

Can Hill be had for the vet min or LLE?
What if it requires $3M to get Hill?  Would you then want Hill at, say, $3M for 3 years, or Matt Barnes at the LLE?

Why does everyone keep assuming Hill will come to Boston for a pile of beans and a clean jock strap?

1) he wants to win.

2) he has a history with Doc

3) That's all Phoenix was paying him.

[Cman]

i can't believe nobody mentioned "classy" yet. ha. i'm pretty bummed if hill is the best we can do.

Name one other FA swingman out there the Celtics could get for the LLE or vet min that would be as good?

Can Hill be had for the vet min or LLE?
What if it requires $3M to get Hill?  Would you then want Hill at, say, $3M for 3 years, or Matt Barnes at the LLE?

Why does everyone keep assuming Hill will come to Boston for a pile of beans and a clean jock strap?

1) he wants to win.

2) he has a history with Doc

3) That's all Phoenix was paying him.

wdleehi -- first off, sorry if my prior post seemed disrespectful; it wasn't meant to be.
 

Second, I buy your argument (1) that Hill wants to win (b/c as I recall, he hasn't won a ring yet).  But I don't know that means he comes to Boston vs. Cleveland (for example) because I don't know that I put much stock in your argument (2).  And you know that (3) isn't valid.  For example, BBD isn't going to resign for $712K (which is all the Cs were paying him).

[cornbreadsmart]

I would NEVER give hill 3 mil. nobody will give him that now. i think he's a huge question mark. i think you almost assume he will miss a portion of games.i believe he's going on reputation. i think a guy like matt barnes is pretty close to him in ability now. not in brains though, which is a skill.

[wdleehi]

i can't believe nobody mentioned "classy" yet. ha. i'm pretty bummed if hill is the best we can do.

Name one other FA swingman out there the Celtics could get for the LLE or vet min that would be as good?

Can Hill be had for the vet min or LLE?
What if it requires $3M to get Hill?  Would you then want Hill at, say, $3M for 3 years, or Matt Barnes at the LLE?

Why does everyone keep assuming Hill will come to Boston for a pile of beans and a clean jock strap?

1) he wants to win.

2) he has a history with Doc

3) That's all Phoenix was paying him.

wdleehi -- first off, sorry if my prior post seemed disrespectful; it wasn't meant to be.
 

Second, I buy your argument (1) that Hill wants to win (b/c as I recall, he hasn't won a ring yet).  But I don't know that means he comes to Boston vs. Cleveland (for example) because I don't know that I put much stock in your argument (2).  And you know that (3) isn't valid.  For example, BBD isn't going to resign for $712K (which is all the Cs were paying him).

Why not?  He could have looked for more money then what he got in Phoenix but was more interested in winning.

[wdleehi]

i can't believe nobody mentioned "classy" yet. ha. i'm pretty bummed if hill is the best we can do.

Name one other FA swingman out there the Celtics could get for the LLE or vet min that would be as good?

Can Hill be had for the vet min or LLE?
What if it requires $3M to get Hill?  Would you then want Hill at, say, $3M for 3 years, or Matt Barnes at the LLE?

Why does everyone keep assuming Hill will come to Boston for a pile of beans and a clean jock strap?

1) he wants to win.

2) he has a history with Doc

3) That's all Phoenix was paying him.

wdleehi -- first off, sorry if my prior post seemed disrespectful; it wasn't meant to be.
 

Second, I buy your argument (1) that Hill wants to win (b/c as I recall, he hasn't won a ring yet).  But I don't know that means he comes to Boston vs. Cleveland (for example) because I don't know that I put much stock in your argument (2).  And you know that (3) isn't valid.  For example, BBD isn't going to resign for $712K (which is all the Cs were paying him).

Don't worry.  I didn't take it as if you were trying to be disrespectful or any other negative behavior. 

[Cman]

Why not?  He could have looked for more money then what he got in Phoenix but was more interested in winning.

This is the first time I've heard he had other (serious) suitors.  I thought that teams shied away from signing him because of his injury history; this past year he has proved those teams wrong.

[Who]

Why not?  He could have looked for more money then what he got in Phoenix but was more interested in winning.

This is the first time I've heard he had other (serious) suitors.  I thought that teams shied away from signing him because of his injury history; this past year he has proved those teams wrong.

Lots of teams were interested in Grant Hill. At least half a dozen. They were several contenders or near-contenders interested, and they were all offering more money than Phoenix. He choose Phoenix because he wanted to win, and wanted to enjoy his basketball again.

It's very likely that Grant Hill would pass up money for a better chance at winning a ring next year ... so long as he's being given a large role in a team, the role he gets will be important, a 6th man (C's offer) will be more than good enough.

[Who]

Here's a quote from the ESPN wire report from when Grant signed with the Suns

Hill, 34, also considered the Pistons, Heat, Mavs and Spurs but ultimately chose the Suns because of their ability to give him a meaningful role on the team and a chance at a championship.

"Obviously money wasn't the biggest factor here," Babby said. "He had offers for a lot more money. Grant wants a chance to win a championship and he wanted to go to a place that would give him a chance to contribute. Phoenix was the perfect fit."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2926650

[wiley]

I'd be very happy to have Grant Hill, but I want someone else too.  We must protect Pierce, and Grant Hill should also be protected.  Example, Pierce goes out 1 week and Grant Hill forced to play big minutes with his own nagging injury.  Not to mention I want them both rested come playoff time.  So we also need a during-the-season-only player with more size than Bill Walker, ideally someone who can play a bit at the 4 also.

A specialist would be fine.  Someone who plays about as many minutes during the seoson as Luke Walton did in the playoffs.  Billy Walker/Tony Allen isn't big enough.  Let Walker and Giddens fight for minutes at the 2.  So, buy a pick.

PG
SG
SF:  Pierce, Hill, Casspi, Walker
PF
C

[jimmyt]

i can't believe nobody mentioned "classy" yet. ha. i'm pretty bummed if hill is the best we can do.

Name one other FA swingman out there the Celtics could get for the LLE or vet min that would be as good?

Can Hill be had for the vet min or LLE?
What if it requires $3M to get Hill?  Would you then want Hill at, say, $3M for 3 years, or Matt Barnes at the LLE?

Why does everyone keep assuming Hill will come to Boston for a pile of beans and a clean jock strap?

1) he wants to win.

2) he has a history with Doc

3) That's all Phoenix was paying him.

wdleehi -- first off, sorry if my prior post seemed disrespectful; it wasn't meant to be.
 

Second, I buy your argument (1) that Hill wants to win (b/c as I recall, he hasn't won a ring yet).  But I don't know that means he comes to Boston vs. Cleveland (for example) because I don't know that I put much stock in your argument (2).  And you know that (3) isn't valid.  For example, BBD isn't going to resign for $712K (which is all the Cs were paying him).

You make it seem like Cleveland has such a better shot at winning a championship next year than the Celtics do. If both teams are healthy, it will be a battle.
Also, how can you compare Big Baby's situation to Grant Hill's? Those two are at exact opposite points of their careers. Baby had a breakout season while still being signed under his rookie contract, while Hill is an injury prone veteran who can still contribute off the bench on a championship caliber team. Baby is looking for a longer term deal I'm sure and Hill most likely wont get anything more than 2 years.

[Cman]

Here's a quote from the ESPN wire report from when Grant signed with the Suns

Hill, 34, also considered the Pistons, Heat, Mavs and Spurs but ultimately chose the Suns because of their ability to give him a meaningful role on the team and a chance at a championship.

"Obviously money wasn't the biggest factor here," Babby said. "He had offers for a lot more money. Grant wants a chance to win a championship and he wanted to go to a place that would give him a chance to contribute. Phoenix was the perfect fit."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2926650

Okay, thanks for posting the link.  I guess I am willing to concede the point that Hill played for less money to be in a good situation.  Of course, it is one of the few times I guess I am willing to believe an agent....

Also, how can you compare Big Baby's situation to Grant Hill's? Those two are at exact opposite points of their careers. Baby had a breakout season while still being signed under his rookie contract, while Hill is an injury prone veteran who can still contribute off the bench on a championship caliber team. Baby is looking for a longer term deal I'm sure and Hill most likely wont get anything more than 2 years.

I agree their situations are entirely different, and I am not comparing their situations other than responding to wdleehi's point (3).

[snively]

I would love Grant Hill.  He's a decent option at the 4 in a small line-up and against teams like Orlando and Atlanta that put athletic 3s at the 4 spot.  He's a good passer, he can hit the mid-range J, finish around the hoop, and he's long and quick enough to play some good bursts of D.

Just not a 3-pt shooter, which would make me want to add a big man who could shoot 3s, or replace TA with a shooter, just to give the team options to spread the floor with a bench line-up.

All of the contenders minus Denver and Orlando could use him in a big way.  Gotta like the appeal of joining 3 of his peers and reuniting with Doc in Boston, though.