Realistic Ray Allen Trades, which one do you like?

[Chris]

OK, how about this:

Ray and Tony for Richard Jefferson and Luke Ridnour.

This gives the C's a replacement for Ray, who just has 1 more year on his contract after Ray's, and it also gives them a very good backup PG (even if he is a bad defender), who has an expiring contract. 

It allows them to still save a few million next year, and clear the money off the cap the year after, if they resign Rondo, and it gives the C's a defensive upgrade on the wing next year, while not losing a ton offensively, and fills another hole.

I'm not sure it does save the Celtics money this year. I think it adds a million. And even if it did save money, that's why the Bucks would reject it; they are looking to cut cap immediately so they can re-sign Ramon Sessions.

I think Ray and a cheap PG makes more sense than Jefferson (whose really been slacking on defense of late) and Luke. Stick with the player you know AND have a better cap situation for 2010.

I wasn't talking about saving money this year, but next year...although it doesn't save them as much as I had thought, now that I look at it closer.  And you are right, Milwaukee wouldn't do it.

But it just illustrates the point more, that there just is not much of a market out there that makes a whole lot of sense for Ray, unless the C's sweeten the pot with someone like Rondo, and try to swing for the fences.

[Chris]

I threw together a few options on my blog but I think the problem is always that they they are lateral moves for next year and then add money to the 2010 payroll that might make it harder to bring in quality free agents this year. And I'd rather just keep Ray than have to deal with Redd and Gadzuric's contracts/injury woes or some of the other guys.

And any Charlotte deal is going to involve Peja and/or Chandler. They aren't giving up CP3 without dumping one of their biggest contracts (and even then I doubt they do it).


http://soulhonky.com/2009/06/_can_danny_whats_would_you_do.html

I like the Utah deal better than most other deals I have seen thrown out there.  Kirilenko just has one more year than Ray, and could be a very good player for the C's off the bench, Korver is expiring, and can do a lot of what they asked of Ray, and the #20 pick helps the C's feel a little better about taking on that extra year of salary. 

And then of course for Utah, they get the starting SG they have been looking for, for years, and they get some Kirilenko off their cap, which will either make it easier to swallow a big contract to Millsap and Okur, or gives them some cap space in the summer of 2010. 

[SoulHonky]

I wasn't talking about saving money this year, but next year...although it doesn't save them as much as I had thought, now that I look at it closer.  And you are right, Milwaukee wouldn't do it.

But it just illustrates the point more, that there just is not much of a market out there that makes a whole lot of sense for Ray, unless the C's sweeten the pot with someone like Rondo, and try to swing for the fences.

Agreed. And I'm more of the belief that we need to move someone for multiple players so we can give our veterans more rest so they aren't worn down/injured in the playoffs. The Ray/Rondo deals are tough because we'd have to replace both starting guards while also potentially trying to add to the bench.

[indeedproceed]

The Dallas deal is the only one I feel good about. But I feel pretty good about that one in particular

[Chris]

The Dallas deal is the only one I feel good about. But I feel pretty good about that one in particular

But why would Dallas do it?  Dampier's contract is essentially expiring, as long as he does not play more minutes than he has in any year in his career, and Howard's is a team option after next year.  So unless they really want Ray, and are willing to give up that much value for him, there is not much motivation for them to make it.

[jdpapa3]

If you trade Ray, you need to get an all star back. There aren't many teams that would be willing to part with an all star for an expiring, so Ray will most likely have to be packaged with Rondo to truly get a great player.

Redd and RJeff are intriguing. A lot of the other guys wouldn't exactly make a "new big 3." Which is what we'd have to do. Danny won't be trading Ray Allen for bench fillers.

Our window is 1-2 years. I only trade Ray if our window gets extended. Some trades I see actually kill our chances for 2009-2010, which is in all likelihood our best chance to win it.

[indeedproceed]

The Dallas deal is the only one I feel good about. But I feel pretty good about that one in particular

But why would Dallas do it?  Dampier's contract is essentially expiring, as long as he does not play more minutes than he has in any year in his career, and Howard's is a team option after next year.  So unless they really want Ray, and are willing to give up that much value for him, there is not much motivation for them to make it.

Well....I didn't know that.

[SoulHonky]

If you trade Ray, you need to get an all star back. There aren't many teams that would be willing to part with an all star for an expiring, so Ray will most likely have to be packaged with Rondo to truly get a great player.

Redd and RJeff are intriguing. A lot of the other guys wouldn't exactly make a "new big 3." Which is what we'd have to do. Danny won't be trading Ray Allen for bench fillers.

Our window is 1-2 years. I only trade Ray if our window gets extended. Some trades I see actually kill our chances for 2009-2010, which is in all likelihood our best chance to win it.

I disagree with this. If people believe that Rondo is a star, then he becomes the third member of The Big Three and then we can move Ray for a competent start and bench depth. It's not about building the best starting lineup, especially when two of the core are veterans who need to see fewer minutes during the season in order to be ready for the playoffs.

[Chris]

The Dallas deal is the only one I feel good about. But I feel pretty good about that one in particular

But why would Dallas do it?  Dampier's contract is essentially expiring, as long as he does not play more minutes than he has in any year in his career, and Howard's is a team option after next year.  So unless they really want Ray, and are willing to give up that much value for him, there is not much motivation for them to make it.

Well....I didn't know that.

I think its one of the least known but most important subplots of this offseason.  The Mavs have the contracts to really make a splash in the trade market, and bring in reinforcements that would make them legit contenders in the West.  A lot will depend on whether Kidd decides to stay, but if they are able to turn Dampier and Stackhouse into a legit star or two, they could be a force.