i loathe kobe. but at least he can say he gives his all,even though it's all for himself. shaq is jealous,selfish and he is also MORE responsible for those laker titles. it surprises me that people don't hate him. later on he wins a title with pat frickin reily who absolutely hates the celtics and came right out into the media, (even during a tv SPECIAL that they did not to long ago about the 1984 series and pat riley ACCUSES THE CELTICS OF CHEATING. "the celtics were about hidden cameras..,"says pat riley. shaq will forever be a laker to me. but it's fine because both kobe and shaq represent the opposite of ubuntu.