Cs need athleticism in the front court

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I still like the TA/Scali for Collison trade.

We need a different player than Collison. I was watching the MIL@OKC game the other day and Bogut, who isn't even that physical, was abusing him in the low post.

I agree, Collison does not bring athleticism, and we should not offer up our best one-on-one defender in the process.

This is why I picked Williams. His role is strictly energy, running the floor, shot blocking, etc -- elements we lack. Not sure Collison or many others are really an upgrade over BBD. He's also available, thought I acknowledge NJ is an unlikely trade partner.

In spite of not seeing him as an ideal fit, I'd take Collison over Williams every day and twice on Sunday.

I understand you are really fond of shot-blockers and athletic bigs who can jump and dunk - Andersen, Swat, etc. - but I believe the C's need someone more solid, a guy who won't allow the opponent center to stick a foot between his legs to gain space and spin, who won't lost awareness of his man when hedging on screes, who won't need to put his hands over the opponent body to hold him... We are not a running team, so I don't get the fascination with bigs who can run the floor - even more if they run but then they don't have a clue about the footwork needed to establish position. We're not going to chance our game style and pace because of some random backup. "Strictly energy, running the floor, shot blocking"  was what people were saying POB would bring. I don't want a second version of him, there's a reason why New Jersey didn't pick Williams' rookie option. Give me a flat-footed and experienced veteran who can play basketball over athletic freaks who don't know how to play basketball and get lost on half-court sets.

btw, The Nets picked up Williams option. GS didn't pick up POBs option because he sucks. NJ picked up Williams option because he's very talented and has value.

Many teams are afraid to pick up talent kids with bad habits due to chemistry. The Cs are not one of those teams. the Old Time Hockey routine is weak, i'm sorry. if PJ Brown is going to come back, great. if you trade 2 for 1, he can only help teach the kid by example.

My mistake, I read he asked the Nets to not pick up his option and I thought they would comply.

Anyway, Williams is very raw, the only thing he does well is blocking shots. Has he played a minute yet? I'm skeptical that a player who is buried in the Nets bench, behind Ryan Anderson, a rookie and whoever else, is ready to be a contributor to the World Champs. I'd rather take Stromile Swift.

p.s. - My problem with Sean Williams has nothing to do with chemistry or his alleged improper habits, rather with his basketballability.

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Yao doesn't like to be physically challenged. To guard him, weight and leverage are much more important than length. However, lack of length (paired with good post defense) at the 5 is a problem this team has, that's clear in my eyes. 

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I still like the TA/Scali for Collison trade.

We need a different player than Collison. I was watching the MIL@OKC game the other day and Bogut, who isn't even that physical, was abusing him in the low post.

I agree, Collison does not bring athleticism, and we should not offer up our best one-on-one defender in the process.

This is why I picked Williams. His role is strictly energy, running the floor, shot blocking, etc -- elements we lack. Not sure Collison or many others are really an upgrade over BBD. He's also available, thought I acknowledge NJ is an unlikely trade partner.

In spite of not seeing him as an ideal fit, I'd take Collison over Williams every day and twice on Sunday.

I understand you are really fond of shot-blockers and athletic bigs who can jump and dunk - Andersen, Swat, etc. - but I believe the C's need someone more solid, a guy who won't allow the opponent center to stick a foot between his legs to gain space and spin, who won't lost awareness of his man when hedging on screes, who won't need to put his hands over the opponent body to hold him... We are not a running team, so I don't get the fascination with bigs who can run the floor - even more if they run but then they don't have a clue about the footwork needed to establish position. We're not going to chance our game style and pace because of some random backup. "Strictly energy, running the floor, shot blocking"  was what people were saying POB would bring. I don't want a second version of him, there's a reason why New Jersey didn't pick Williams' rookie option. Give me a flat-footed and experienced veteran who can play basketball over athletic freaks who don't know how to play basketball and get lost on half-court sets.

so you'd trade TA for Collison?

Well, absolutely. I think anyone would. Collison is much more valuable than Tony Allen, you could easily trade him for better value later if you don't want to keep him. But there's no way OKC trade their starting center for a backup winger that they could have signed a few months ago.

I'm just saying that Collison isn't exactly the type of player we need.

not me, guy. i wouldn't trade our best wing defender at $2.5Mil for a guy who can do almost nothing but rebound for $6.somthingMil. Baby's a better defender and altogether better option than Collison at 1/7th the cost. unless you enjoy watching Collison fall all over the floor too much to resist...