Yankees: End of an era?

[nickagneta]

One thing that Bankshot and Nerf forget is that the Yankees aren't the only team in town that can shell out $20 milliona year for a player anymore and that some of the other teams that can spend money with the Yankees are at present, more desirable options.

The Angels, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, maybe Nationals, White Sox, and Detroit canall shell out big bucks for at least one huge contract and in the case of the Sox and Angels, maybe two. The Red Sox, White Sox, Cubs,and Mets are at present better teams than the Yankees and have better shots at making the playoffs in the future than the Yankees based on what we have seen this year.

The Yankees could land a couple and even a few big free agents, or those top tier free agents could go elsewhere since there are a lot of other options for those players now. Texiera is going to be pursued big time by the Angels and reports are that he likes LA. The Mets and Red Sox also expect to be huge suitors for Sabathia. Talk is that the Nationals and Orioles are both interested in Manny Ramirez.

For all their money, the Yankees are no guarantee to land multiple free agents to reload with. At least there's no guarantee of landing a few of the top echelon of free agents. They aren't the only team in town with a wad of cash any longer.

[gpap]

One thing that Bankshot and Nerf forget is that the Yankees aren't the only team in town that can shell out $20 milliona year for a player anymore and that some of the other teams that can spend money with the Yankees are at present, more desirable options.

The Angels, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, maybe Nationals, White Sox, and Detroit canall shell out big bucks for at least one huge contract and in the case of the Sox and Angels, maybe two. The Red Sox, White Sox, Cubs,and Mets are at present better teams than the Yankees and have better shots at making the playoffs in the future than the Yankees based on what we have seen this year.

The Yankees could land a couple and even a few big free agents, or those top tier free agents could go elsewhere since there are a lot of other options for those players now. Texiera is going to be pursued big time by the Angels and reports are that he likes LA. The Mets and Red Sox also expect to be huge suitors for Sabathia. Talk is that the Nationals and Orioles are both interested in Manny Ramirez.

For all their money, the Yankees are no guarantee to land multiple free agents to reload with. At least there's no guarantee of landing a few of the top echelon of free agents. They aren't the only team in town with a wad of cash any longer.

Well said!  That's the point that for whatever reason, alot of people missed during this thread. Whether the Yankees dynasty is over isn't dependant on their money, because they will always have the resources to sign any player they want.

The problem is I don't think players will be as apt to sign with New York as before.  At one time, it was every player's goal to don the pinstripes in the house that Ruth built. But, that was during one of the many Yankee championship runs in previous decades. Now, that era has ended and to be honest, I am not so sure players would be as interested. You see the A-Rod soap opera, the $200 million failing payroll, lack of pitching and lack of World Series titles since 2000.

Other teams like and especially the Red Sox have not only caught up to the Yankees financially, but they've outdone the Yankees in the standings and have won 2 World Series titles in four years, hopefully going on their third one.

Plus, guys like Terry Francona and Theo Epstein are becoming increasingly popular with the success they've had grooming young players like Ellsbury, Lester and Pedroia and they way they've succeded with veterans players like Beckett, Lowell, Ortiz, Varitek, Youk and Dice-K.

The Yankees are no longer the king of the baseball world, bottom line.

[LB3533]

I think age, in baseball, is irrelevant.

Players can play well into their 40's and still be effective.

The Yankees, if not for a rash of injuries, would be in the thick of things this year.

Next year, if healthy, they will again challenge for the AL East crown.

I can make that statement with far more confidence than I can say the Tampa Bay Rays will be the best team in the MLB in 2009 (like they are now in 2008).

[bolvbball]

This sounds a bit premature...maybe if 10 seasons passes without another title,then Yankee fans

could start to freak,but 8yrs. is not the longest drought we ever seen...


as long as they have the big dollars to go after top knotch players,they will be in the hunt.

[Fastbreak]

Ahhh...one of those wishful thinking threads..the Yankees will be back in the playoffs next year...Was it 17 or 18 players on the DL ?.. including half their pitching staff...and although it may be hard for some posters to understand..the history of the Yankees and the lure of the Big Apple still gives the edge to the Yankees over other teams with money....

[bostonfan23]

We hear 'the end of the Yankees' every year. Jeter will still be there. The Yankees will still spend well north of 205m on salaries. The Yankees will continue to be competitive every single year.

[Finkelskyhook]

I think age, in baseball, is irrelevant.

Players can play well into their 40's and still be effective.

The Yankees, if not for a rash of injuries, would be in the thick of things this year.

Next year, if healthy, they will again challenge for the AL East crown.

I can make that statement with far more confidence than I can say the Tampa Bay Rays will be the best team in the MLB in 2009 (like they are now in 2008).

Except the older the team the more likely it is to be injury prone.  We can see that with some of our historically most durable vets who are sitting out more and more as they get older.

[Brickowski]

The Yankees lost Wang for the season, Phil Hughes for the season, Joba Chamberlain for well over a month, Kennedy was up and down...

You knew this wasn't their year when they had to go out and get Sidney Ponson to shore up the rotation.

They've got plenty of good young players in their farm system and a rich owner. They'll be back.

[crownsy]

Era shmera. They'll be some new faces, but I expect the Yanks to rebound in '09. Considering all the money coming off of the books this year and next, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them go out and land Sabbathia AND Teixeira in the offseason. Couple that with the return of Joba, Wang, and possibly Hughes/Kennedy, and the MFY's could be a scary club next year.

Not to go too far off track, but it's concievable that there could be three powerhouse teams in the AL East next season, with one of them stuck watching the playoffs at home come October.

the rays will be a one hit wonder, not because there not talented, but because there owner is cheap and they play ina  terrable location.

expect a marlins level fire sale after this season.

[jgod213]

Era shmera. They'll be some new faces, but I expect the Yanks to rebound in '09. Considering all the money coming off of the books this year and next, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them go out and land Sabbathia AND Teixeira in the offseason. Couple that with the return of Joba, Wang, and possibly Hughes/Kennedy, and the MFY's could be a scary club next year.

Not to go too far off track, but it's concievable that there could be three powerhouse teams in the AL East next season, with one of them stuck watching the playoffs at home come October.

the rays will be a one hit wonder, not because there not talented, but because there owner is cheap and they play ina  terrable location.

expect a marlins level fire sale after this season.

i don't know about a fire sale, but when it takes 3/4 of a season and a 5-game division lead before your fans decide they want to come out and support you, the future doesn't look quite as rosy as things do now.

all it will take is another flat start to a season and Rays fans will abandon their team again.  They need to adopt the Twins model as soon as this year is up if they wish to stay relevent - trade your highly/over-valued players (crawford, percival, pena) while you can and get a number of prospects in return.

[Triboy16]

Yanks are done for a few years. I'd say they should keep jeter, chamberlain, cano but trade or let pretty much everyone else go. Still scratching my head why they let guys like soriano go

If jeter wants out i feel sorry for them

[ReadyFor17]

Rays fans still aren't coming out to support the team.

The Yankees will continue to be competitive but they won't win another World Series until they actually get some pitching.

Pettitte and Moose will be gone soon; Pettitte is already on the decline; Moose's 2008 season is nothing short of extraordinary when you look at his 2007 season, but who knows how long he can pitch at this level. They are both FA after this season but I expect them to be resigned, unless Pettitte retires, Moose should be back.

Wang is solid but he isn't an ace and he cost the Yankees big time in the playoffs last season and now he'll have a serious injury to recover from.

Based on stuff alone, I think Hughes - like Buchholz - will eventually be a good pitcher, maybe even the ace everyone thought he would be. You just never know with young pitchers though, and it will take time. I think the Yankees were just flat out wrong about Kennedy - he put up very good numbers in the minors but he fell apart in the majors. He does not have the raw stuff to get by if he can't locate.

Joba is the key - not CC or whatever FA pitcher they sign. It's Joba, because he can be an ace and he costs nothing. As a fan of good baseball I hope the Yankees stop jerking him around and make him a starter where he will be more valuable; as a fan of the Red Sox I hope they continue to be clueless about what to do with him and end up leaving him in the bullpen for 1-2 inning stints. Disclaimer: If their knowledge of the situation tells them that he's a bigger injury risk as a starter then that's their prerogative - I just know that he's a lot scarier pitching 200 innings a year as opposed to 70.

I fully expect the Yankees to sign CC and make a run at Teixeira (his hometown O's will be in the mix for Tex as well). These moves will certainly help them, but they'll still have an incomplete pitching staff.

CC
Wang
Mussina
Pettitte (if he returns)
(Hughes/Kennedy)

Yankee pitching will be a liability until they can prove otherwise.

To Triboy - they traded Soriano for A-Rod. We all know about A-Rod's issues in NY but he isn't the reason they haven't won anything recently, it's pitching and defense - Soriano was capable of neither.

[Bankshot]

One thing that Bankshot and Nerf forget is that the Yankees aren't the only team in town that can shell out $20 milliona year for a player anymore and that some of the other teams that can spend money with the Yankees are at present, more desirable options.

The Angels, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, maybe Nationals, White Sox, and Detroit canall shell out big bucks for at least one huge contract and in the case of the Sox and Angels, maybe two. The Red Sox, White Sox, Cubs,and Mets are at present better teams than the Yankees and have better shots at making the playoffs in the future than the Yankees based on what we have seen this year.

The Yankees could land a couple and even a few big free agents, or those top tier free agents could go elsewhere since there are a lot of other options for those players now. Texiera is going to be pursued big time by the Angels and reports are that he likes LA. The Mets and Red Sox also expect to be huge suitors for Sabathia. Talk is that the Nationals and Orioles are both interested in Manny Ramirez.

For all their money, the Yankees are no guarantee to land multiple free agents to reload with. At least there's no guarantee of landing a few of the top echelon of free agents. They aren't the only team in town with a wad of cash any longer.

I didn't forget that at all.  The thread is asking whether or not it is the end of an era for the Yankees, not which teams are capable of shelling out large sums to sign players.

[nickagneta]

One thing that Bankshot and Nerf forget is that the Yankees aren't the only team in town that can shell out $20 milliona year for a player anymore and that some of the other teams that can spend money with the Yankees are at present, more desirable options.

The Angels, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, maybe Nationals, White Sox, and Detroit canall shell out big bucks for at least one huge contract and in the case of the Sox and Angels, maybe two. The Red Sox, White Sox, Cubs,and Mets are at present better teams than the Yankees and have better shots at making the playoffs in the future than the Yankees based on what we have seen this year.

The Yankees could land a couple and even a few big free agents, or those top tier free agents could go elsewhere since there are a lot of other options for those players now. Texiera is going to be pursued big time by the Angels and reports are that he likes LA. The Mets and Red Sox also expect to be huge suitors for Sabathia. Talk is that the Nationals and Orioles are both interested in Manny Ramirez.

For all their money, the Yankees are no guarantee to land multiple free agents to reload with. At least there's no guarantee of landing a few of the top echelon of free agents. They aren't the only team in town with a wad of cash any longer.

I didn't forget that at all.  The thread is asking whether or not it is the end of an era for the Yankees, not which teams are capable of shelling out large sums to sign players.

I know what the thread is about, I started it.

But this was in response to you and Nerf saying that the Yankees have all sorts of money and will just spend it to restock themselves with All-Star caliber talent. At one point that was true but not anymore as many teams can do that and the Yankees aren't guaranteed of landing all the big names anymore.