Can we trade Brown for Dame Now

[Roy H.]

Brogdon + White + 5 #1s, haha.

Timelord / Horford
KP / Brissett
Tatum / Hauser
Brown
Lillard / Pritchard

Convince Oubre's agent have him sign for the minimum and we're in business.

[Alleyoopster]

Brogdon + White + 5 #1s, haha.

Timelord / Horford
KP / Brissett
Tatum / Hauser
Brown
Lillard / Pritchard

Convince Oubre's agent have him sign for the minimum and we're in business.

Could the Celtics sign Oubre using the 6.5M exemption they just received?

[Surferdad]

Brogdon + White + 5 #1s, haha.

Timelord / Horford
KP / Brissett
Tatum / Hauser
Brown
Lillard / Pritchard

Convince Oubre's agent have him sign for the minimum and we're in business.

TP for the pleasing thought 

[Who]

Does Dame really have more value than Jaylen Brown? I’m not asking to compare their careers. Jaylen Brown is a 26 year old, two way, all-NBA wing. Dame is 32 going on 33 this month. His contract will be paying him $63 million when he is 36 years old.

[Roy H.]

Brogdon + White + 5 #1s, haha.

Timelord / Horford
KP / Brissett
Tatum / Hauser
Brown
Lillard / Pritchard

Convince Oubre's agent have him sign for the minimum and we're in business.

Could the Celtics sign Oubre using the 6.5M exemption they just received?

Not currently.  We can't sign-and-trade for players.

If Oubre takes less than $6.15 million (approximately), we could trade for him in December, I think.

[droopdog7]

Does Dame really have more value than Jaylen Brown? I’m not asking to compare their careers. Jaylen Brown is a 26 year old, two way, all-NBA wing. Dame is 32 going on 33 this month. His contract will be paying him $63 million when he is 36 years old.

Well first, Dame is a better player that can play off JT better. So, if Dame gets the Celtics over the top and JB is never good enough to do that, then yes, Dame is more valuable than JB.

[ozgod]

I was thinking about this from Portland's view. Let's assume that Brad does offer Jaylen for Dame. This would mean that Brad didn't give Jaylen his supermax, because anyone signing a supermax can't be traded for a year. So he offers Jaylen with a year left on his contract to Portland for four years of Dame. Wouldn't Portland be concerned that they might be giving up their best ever (or second best ever, for those of us who remember Clyde the Glide) player for a one year rental who might leave for a more competitive team at the end of the season? If I was Cronin that would be weighing heavily on my mind, especially if Portland wasn't a team that Jaylen saw himself being in long term.

[Who]

Does Dame really have more value than Jaylen Brown? I’m not asking to compare their careers. Jaylen Brown is a 26 year old, two way, all-NBA wing. Dame is 32 going on 33 this month. His contract will be paying him $63 million when he is 36 years old.

Well first, Dame is a better player that can play off JT better. So, if Dame gets the Celtics over the top and JB is never good enough to do that, then yes, Dame is more valuable than JB.

I think Boston is one of the few teams that can justify giving up a young All-Star / All-Star in his prime for Dame Lillard.

Not because of Jaylen individually but because of the team collectively .... meaning how much talent still remains on the roster after you trade that younger star.

Almost all the possible Lillard trade packages I see with a star going to POR leave Lillard's new team incapable of contending for a title. And with Lillard's age, little hope of becoming a contender before his decline sets in. Thereby making any such trade a waste of resources that hurts the team by trading for Lillard rather than playing the long game with their younger star.

Boston is the rare team that can justify a Jaylen for Lillard trade ... even though I agree in principle with the concept that generally speaking Jaylen is individually more valuable than Lillard in the trade market due to age, size, contract.

[green_bballers13]

Didn't Kyrie get traded to Boston, despite it not being one of his target destinations?

Why would this be different? Dame doesn't want to be here. He will likely get hurt or mail it in before landing where he wants.

[Irish Stew]

I was thinking about this from Portland's view. Let's assume that Brad does offer Jaylen for Dame. This would mean that Brad didn't give Jaylen his supermax, because anyone signing a supermax can't be traded for a year. So he offers Jaylen with a year left on his contract to Portland for four years of Dame. Wouldn't Portland be concerned that they might be giving up their best ever (or second best ever, for those of us who remember Clyde the Glide) player for a one year rental who might leave for a more competitive team at the end of the season? If I was Cronin that would be weighing heavily on my mind, especially if Portland wasn't a team that Jaylen saw himself being in long term.

Dame and Clyde had the best careers but the most talented Portland player was a healthy Bill Walton who at that time was also the best player on the planet and delivered a title to the Blazers.

[Who]

I was thinking about this from Portland's view. Let's assume that Brad does offer Jaylen for Dame. This would mean that Brad didn't give Jaylen his supermax, because anyone signing a supermax can't be traded for a year. So he offers Jaylen with a year left on his contract to Portland for four years of Dame. Wouldn't Portland be concerned that they might be giving up their best ever (or second best ever, for those of us who remember Clyde the Glide) player for a one year rental who might leave for a more competitive team at the end of the season? If I was Cronin that would be weighing heavily on my mind, especially if Portland wasn't a team that Jaylen saw himself being in long term.

Dame and Clyde had the best careers but the most talented Portland player was a healthy Bill Walton who at that time was also the best player on the planet and delivered a title to the Blazers.

Agreed. I got Lillard at #3 All-Time Blazers player.

[liam]

I was thinking about this from Portland's view. Let's assume that Brad does offer Jaylen for Dame. This would mean that Brad didn't give Jaylen his supermax, because anyone signing a supermax can't be traded for a year. So he offers Jaylen with a year left on his contract to Portland for four years of Dame. Wouldn't Portland be concerned that they might be giving up their best ever (or second best ever, for those of us who remember Clyde the Glide) player for a one year rental who might leave for a more competitive team at the end of the season? If I was Cronin that would be weighing heavily on my mind, especially if Portland wasn't a team that Jaylen saw himself being in long term.

Dame and Clyde had the best careers but the most talented Portland player was a healthy Bill Walton who at that time was also the best player on the planet and delivered a title to the Blazers.

If Bill Walton hadn't had so many health issues he is in the GOAT conversation. He was amazing.

[RJ87]

Didn't Kyrie get traded to Boston, despite it not being one of his target destinations?

Why would this be different? Dame doesn't want to be here. He will likely get hurt or mail it in before landing where he wants.

We weren't on his initial list, but he was open to coming here. He had to waive his trade kicker to facilitate the deal.

[keevsnick]

I was thinking about this from Portland's view. Let's assume that Brad does offer Jaylen for Dame. This would mean that Brad didn't give Jaylen his supermax, because anyone signing a supermax can't be traded for a year. So he offers Jaylen with a year left on his contract to Portland for four years of Dame. Wouldn't Portland be concerned that they might be giving up their best ever (or second best ever, for those of us who remember Clyde the Glide) player for a one year rental who might leave for a more competitive team at the end of the season? If I was Cronin that would be weighing heavily on my mind, especially if Portland wasn't a team that Jaylen saw himself being in long term.

This is something I've brought up a couple times. Brown is very unlikely to sign an extension anywhere he's traded because of current extension rules (if i'm reading the new CBA correctly, maybe i'm not).

To illustrate: Brown's base salary is 28.5 million next year. The max base salary of an extension would be 140% of that final year number which would be 39.9 million. The starting salary off a cap of hypothetical cap of 145 million at the 30% max in free agency next year would be would be 43.5 million. So Brown can't really get to his max salary guaranteed off an extension. That difference can be made up by bonuses which can also be carried over by up to 140% of the previous contract, but the net result is Brown can't even sign a fully guaranteed 30% max with a team he's traded to. The difference is even greater if the 24-25 cap comes in higher.

Brown is highly likely to just want to wait until free agency in 24' when he can sign a fresh contract clean of incentives. And at that point the difference in what his incumbent team and a new team can offer him over the first 4 years of a deal is only like 8 million or so. The only real advantage his incumbent team would have is a fifth year.

So a team expecting to be bad next year should, and will, be VERY wary of trading for Brown. He's a huge flight risk who probably won't extend ahead of time for financial reasons. Any team that trades for him probably has to be confident they are both good, and a place he wants to be. Otherwise they can't give uup the value Boston would need in a trade.