Where would Madar and Begarin go in this year's draft?

[Who]

This thread being bumped was a bit bittersweet. Miss PhoSita & rollie, but their contributions were always fun.

Not really hopeful of anything from Yam. Begarin, maybe? Not sure - seems unlikely.

I think you're too down on Madar.  Winning the Rising Star award in Europe is not a small deal.  Here are the past winners:

2005 - Erazem Lorbek
2006 - Andrea Bargnani
2007 - Rudy Fernandez
2008 - Danilo Gallinari
2009 - Novica Velickovic
2010 - Ricky Rubio
2011 - Nikola Mirotic
2012 - Nikola Mirotic
2013 - Kostas Papanikolaou
2014 - Bogdan Bogdanovic
2015 - Bogdan Bogdanovic
2016 - Alex Abrines
2017 - Luka Doncic
2018 - Luka Doncic
2019 - Goga Bitadze
2021 - Usman Garuba
2022 - Rokas Jokubaitis

The majority of that list became NBA rotation players at some point in their career.

He was also only the fourth player to win the award in his first Euroleague season, with Fernandez, Gallo, and Jokubaitis the other three.

I'm not predicting stardom for Madar, but I do think if he were in the draft this year he'd be a second-round pick again.  I don't think his future is in Boston, however.

Is Yam older than the other winners? He is 22 years old.

If you look at just the guys who went on to success in the NBA, just at a first glance, it looks like they won the award at an earlier age.

I wonder about those other names who did not make to the NBA. Where they older winners like Yam as well?


Edit: Although, Bogdanovic might be an older winner. I don't think he was a lotto pick like Bargnani, Mirotic, Rubio, Gallinari or Doncic who all came over when they were young.

Ricky Rubio born 1990 so he'd have been 20yo.
Gallinari born 1988 so he'd have been 20yo.
Bargnani 1985 so 21yo.
Mirotic 1991 so first win at 20yo 2nd at 21yo.
Luka 1999 so he'd have been 18yo and then 19yo 2nd.

Bogdanovic born 1992 so he'd have been 22yo and 23yo.
Rudy Fernandez born 1985 so 22yo.

Bitadze born 1999 so he'd be 20yo.

Abrines born 1993 so he'd be 23yo.

Jokubaitis born 2000 so he was 21. 22 early next year.
Kostas Papanikolaou born 1990 so 23yo.
Lorbek born 1984 so 21yo.
Novica Velickovic born 1986 so 23yo.


So winning the award at a young age vs an older age does appear to be a strong signal. Although we do have two quality NBA players in Rudy and Bogdanovic who won at the same age as Yam so that is a positive sign for Yam. And one flame out NBA guy who won young in Bitadze. Abrines feels like a cautionary tale.

[gouki88]

This thread being bumped was a bit bittersweet. Miss PhoSita & rollie, but their contributions were always fun.

Not really hopeful of anything from Yam. Begarin, maybe? Not sure - seems unlikely.

I think you're too down on Madar.  Winning the Rising Star award in Europe is not a small deal.  Here are the past winners:

2005 - Erazem Lorbek
2006 - Andrea Bargnani
2007 - Rudy Fernandez
2008 - Danilo Gallinari
2009 - Novica Velickovic
2010 - Ricky Rubio
2011 - Nikola Mirotic
2012 - Nikola Mirotic
2013 - Kostas Papanikolaou
2014 - Bogdan Bogdanovic
2015 - Bogdan Bogdanovic
2016 - Alex Abrines
2017 - Luka Doncic
2018 - Luka Doncic
2019 - Goga Bitadze
2021 - Usman Garuba
2022 - Rokas Jokubaitis

The majority of that list became NBA rotation players at some point in their career.

He was also only the fourth player to win the award in his first Euroleague season, with Fernandez, Gallo, and Jokubaitis the other three.

I'm not predicting stardom for Madar, but I do think if he were in the draft this year he'd be a second-round pick again.  I don't think his future is in Boston, however.

That’s more my issue. We could have had my binkie Paul Reed!

[obnoxiousmime]

It would still be 2nd round because this is a deep draft and there are more teams than ever trying to be competitive (due to the play-in, and some big market teams still holding onto hope instead of doing full rebuilds). The new CBA also makes drafting NBA-ready guys especially critical because they need to contribute immediately. Since first-round deals are all guaranteed, there's less of a chance you take a project that might need a long time to develop or worse, be a straight-up bust.

Madar and Begarin still seem like projects to me so that's a 2nd-rounder in my book.

[W8ting2McHale]

Madar has improved his game and outside shot, but he still looks like he will get pushed around in the NBA. I think JD has a better shot at contributing from the 2nd group.

Begarin doesn't seem to have improved at all based off of his stats from the past 3 years. He's flatlining.  He does look like an NBA athlete though. He'd be a 2nd round potential pick. I think he needs to sign a 2-way deal this year if he ever hopes of making an NBA roster.  He's making more money playing in Europe,  but he seems better suited for the NBA and his skills are stagnating there. Of course he could just be that guy and what you see is what you get.

[boscel33]

This thread being bumped was a bit bittersweet. Miss PhoSita & rollie, but their contributions were always fun.

Not really hopeful of anything from Yam. Begarin, maybe? Not sure - seems unlikely.

I think you're too down on Madar.  Winning the Rising Star award in Europe is not a small deal.  Here are the past winners:

2005 - Erazem Lorbek
2006 - Andrea Bargnani
2007 - Rudy Fernandez
2008 - Danilo Gallinari
2009 - Novica Velickovic
2010 - Ricky Rubio
2011 - Nikola Mirotic
2012 - Nikola Mirotic
2013 - Kostas Papanikolaou
2014 - Bogdan Bogdanovic
2015 - Bogdan Bogdanovic
2016 - Alex Abrines
2017 - Luka Doncic
2018 - Luka Doncic
2019 - Goga Bitadze
2021 - Usman Garuba
2022 - Rokas Jokubaitis

The majority of that list became NBA rotation players at some point in their career.

He was also only the fourth player to win the award in his first Euroleague season, with Fernandez, Gallo, and Jokubaitis the other three.

I'm not predicting stardom for Madar, but I do think if he were in the draft this year he'd be a second-round pick again.  I don't think his future is in Boston, however.

Is Yam older than the other winners? He is 22 years old.

If you look at just the guys who went on to success in the NBA, just at a first glance, it looks like they won the award at an earlier age.

I wonder about those other names who did not make to the NBA. Where they older winners like Yam as well?


Edit: Although, Bogdanovic might be an older winner. I don't think he was a lotto pick like Bargnani, Mirotic, Rubio, Gallinari or Doncic who all came over when they were young.

Ricky Rubio born 1990 so he'd have been 20yo.
Gallinari born 1988 so he'd have been 20yo.
Bargnani 1985 so 21yo.
Mirotic 1991 so first win at 20yo 2nd at 21yo.
Luka 1999 so he'd have been 18yo and then 19yo 2nd.

Bogdanovic born 1992 so he'd have been 22yo and 23yo.
Rudy Fernandez born 1985 so 22yo.

Bitadze born 1999 so he'd be 20yo.

Abrines born 1993 so he'd be 23yo.

Jokubaitis born 2000 so he was 21. 22 early next year.
Kostas Papanikolaou born 1990 so 23yo.
Lorbek born 1984 so 21yo.
Novica Velickovic born 1986 so 23yo.


So winning the award at a young age vs an older age does appear to be a strong signal. Although we do have two quality NBA players in Rudy and Bogdanovic who won at the same age as Yam so that is a positive sign for Yam. And one flame out NBA guy who won young in Bitadze. Abrines feels like a cautionary tale.

Wasn't this Yam's first year in the league though?  Had the others already been playing in it when they won the award at a younger age.  I'm asking because it's not something I follow in depth.

[Who]

This thread being bumped was a bit bittersweet. Miss PhoSita & rollie, but their contributions were always fun.

Not really hopeful of anything from Yam. Begarin, maybe? Not sure - seems unlikely.

I think you're too down on Madar.  Winning the Rising Star award in Europe is not a small deal.  Here are the past winners:

2005 - Erazem Lorbek
2006 - Andrea Bargnani
2007 - Rudy Fernandez
2008 - Danilo Gallinari
2009 - Novica Velickovic
2010 - Ricky Rubio
2011 - Nikola Mirotic
2012 - Nikola Mirotic
2013 - Kostas Papanikolaou
2014 - Bogdan Bogdanovic
2015 - Bogdan Bogdanovic
2016 - Alex Abrines
2017 - Luka Doncic
2018 - Luka Doncic
2019 - Goga Bitadze
2021 - Usman Garuba
2022 - Rokas Jokubaitis

The majority of that list became NBA rotation players at some point in their career.

He was also only the fourth player to win the award in his first Euroleague season, with Fernandez, Gallo, and Jokubaitis the other three.

I'm not predicting stardom for Madar, but I do think if he were in the draft this year he'd be a second-round pick again.  I don't think his future is in Boston, however.

Is Yam older than the other winners? He is 22 years old.

If you look at just the guys who went on to success in the NBA, just at a first glance, it looks like they won the award at an earlier age.

I wonder about those other names who did not make to the NBA. Where they older winners like Yam as well?


Edit: Although, Bogdanovic might be an older winner. I don't think he was a lotto pick like Bargnani, Mirotic, Rubio, Gallinari or Doncic who all came over when they were young.

Ricky Rubio born 1990 so he'd have been 20yo.
Gallinari born 1988 so he'd have been 20yo.
Bargnani 1985 so 21yo.
Mirotic 1991 so first win at 20yo 2nd at 21yo.
Luka 1999 so he'd have been 18yo and then 19yo 2nd.

Bogdanovic born 1992 so he'd have been 22yo and 23yo.
Rudy Fernandez born 1985 so 22yo.

Bitadze born 1999 so he'd be 20yo.

Abrines born 1993 so he'd be 23yo.

Jokubaitis born 2000 so he was 21. 22 early next year.
Kostas Papanikolaou born 1990 so 23yo.
Lorbek born 1984 so 21yo.
Novica Velickovic born 1986 so 23yo.


So winning the award at a young age vs an older age does appear to be a strong signal. Although we do have two quality NBA players in Rudy and Bogdanovic who won at the same age as Yam so that is a positive sign for Yam. And one flame out NBA guy who won young in Bitadze. Abrines feels like a cautionary tale.

Wasn't this Yam's first year in the league though?  Had the others already been playing in it when they won the award at a younger age.  I'm asking because it's not something I follow in depth.

Interesting question. I don't know the answer to it.

Would Yam have won the award at an earlier age if he had of played in the Euroleague sooner? I don't know the answer to that either.

[Celtics4ever]

Undrafted.

We should have drafted Kenyon Martin Jr. instead of Yam

We should have drafter Jericho Sims instead of Begarin

Two more wasted picks courtesy of Austin Ainge.

[Celtics2021]

This thread being bumped was a bit bittersweet. Miss PhoSita & rollie, but their contributions were always fun.

Not really hopeful of anything from Yam. Begarin, maybe? Not sure - seems unlikely.

I think you're too down on Madar.  Winning the Rising Star award in Europe is not a small deal.  Here are the past winners:

2005 - Erazem Lorbek
2006 - Andrea Bargnani
2007 - Rudy Fernandez
2008 - Danilo Gallinari
2009 - Novica Velickovic
2010 - Ricky Rubio
2011 - Nikola Mirotic
2012 - Nikola Mirotic
2013 - Kostas Papanikolaou
2014 - Bogdan Bogdanovic
2015 - Bogdan Bogdanovic
2016 - Alex Abrines
2017 - Luka Doncic
2018 - Luka Doncic
2019 - Goga Bitadze
2021 - Usman Garuba
2022 - Rokas Jokubaitis

The majority of that list became NBA rotation players at some point in their career.

He was also only the fourth player to win the award in his first Euroleague season, with Fernandez, Gallo, and Jokubaitis the other three.

I'm not predicting stardom for Madar, but I do think if he were in the draft this year he'd be a second-round pick again.  I don't think his future is in Boston, however.

Is Yam older than the other winners? He is 22 years old.

If you look at just the guys who went on to success in the NBA, just at a first glance, it looks like they won the award at an earlier age.

I wonder about those other names who did not make to the NBA. Where they older winners like Yam as well?


Edit: Although, Bogdanovic might be an older winner. I don't think he was a lotto pick like Bargnani, Mirotic, Rubio, Gallinari or Doncic who all came over when they were young.

Ricky Rubio born 1990 so he'd have been 20yo.
Gallinari born 1988 so he'd have been 20yo.
Bargnani 1985 so 21yo.
Mirotic 1991 so first win at 20yo 2nd at 21yo.
Luka 1999 so he'd have been 18yo and then 19yo 2nd.

Bogdanovic born 1992 so he'd have been 22yo and 23yo.
Rudy Fernandez born 1985 so 22yo.

Bitadze born 1999 so he'd be 20yo.

Abrines born 1993 so he'd be 23yo.

Jokubaitis born 2000 so he was 21. 22 early next year.
Kostas Papanikolaou born 1990 so 23yo.
Lorbek born 1984 so 21yo.
Novica Velickovic born 1986 so 23yo.


So winning the award at a young age vs an older age does appear to be a strong signal. Although we do have two quality NBA players in Rudy and Bogdanovic who won at the same age as Yam so that is a positive sign for Yam. And one flame out NBA guy who won young in Bitadze. Abrines feels like a cautionary tale.

Wasn't this Yam's first year in the league though?  Had the others already been playing in it when they won the award at a younger age.  I'm asking because it's not something I follow in depth.

Interesting question. I don't know the answer to it.

Would Yam have won the award at an earlier age if he had of played in the Euroleague sooner? I don't know the answer to that either.

It will be forever be unknown.  He beat out last year's winner in Jokubtaitis to win it this year, however, so it's certainly a possibility.