Celtics Granted DPE

[sgrogan]

So no chance of Galinari coming back late this season then.

While that's been true since he tore his ACL in late August, the technical answer is that being granted a DPE means an NBA doctor has determined that Gallinari is substantially more likely than not to miss the rest of the season.  It's also permitted by rule for him to return.  Being granted the DPE really doesn't change much.

Remind me...  If we trade Gallo, the DPE disappears?  But if we use the DPE and then trade Gallo, it's okay?

Correct.

Dang you guys are good.

What type of rights do we have to the signed player (not via trade)
We can sign to 120% if we are over the cap?
EDIT: Even via trade do we get bird rights if otherwise eligible?

You mean next season?  Yes, for a player signed with the DPE we could offer him up to a 120% raise.  For a player acquired via trade, we would whatever free agent rights his original team would have had (which in this case would potentially limit it to whatever his declined rookie option was, given most of the DPE-eligible players out there).

Yes thanks.
For a signed player,as you say.
For a traded for player, most likely it's a declined option that looses Bird rights.

I know that the DPE is a stop gap for a catastrophic injuty, but the team is pretty limited resigning the player. The team still could use the TP-MLE if they we're over the cap?

[PAOBoston]

Ownership won't spend it....

This

[Celtics2021]

So no chance of Galinari coming back late this season then.

While that's been true since he tore his ACL in late August, the technical answer is that being granted a DPE means an NBA doctor has determined that Gallinari is substantially more likely than not to miss the rest of the season.  It's also permitted by rule for him to return.  Being granted the DPE really doesn't change much.

Remind me...  If we trade Gallo, the DPE disappears?  But if we use the DPE and then trade Gallo, it's okay?

Correct.

Dang you guys are good.

What type of rights do we have to the signed player (not via trade)
We can sign to 120% if we are over the cap?
EDIT: Even via trade do we get bird rights if otherwise eligible?

You mean next season?  Yes, for a player signed with the DPE we could offer him up to a 120% raise.  For a player acquired via trade, we would whatever free agent rights his original team would have had (which in this case would potentially limit it to whatever his declined rookie option was, given most of the DPE-eligible players out there).

Yes thanks.
For a signed player,as you say.
For a traded for player, most likely it's a declined option that looses Bird rights.

I know that the DPE is a stop gap for a catastrophic injuty, but the team is pretty limited resigning the player. The team still could use the TP-MLE if they we're over the cap?

The TPE could be used unless the DPE acquires a player who had his rookie option declined, in which case the Celtics could offer no more than the declined option.

[sgrogan]

So no chance of Galinari coming back late this season then.

While that's been true since he tore his ACL in late August, the technical answer is that being granted a DPE means an NBA doctor has determined that Gallinari is substantially more likely than not to miss the rest of the season.  It's also permitted by rule for him to return.  Being granted the DPE really doesn't change much.

Remind me...  If we trade Gallo, the DPE disappears?  But if we use the DPE and then trade Gallo, it's okay?

Correct.

Dang you guys are good.

What type of rights do we have to the signed player (not via trade)
We can sign to 120% if we are over the cap?
EDIT: Even via trade do we get bird rights if otherwise eligible?

You mean next season?  Yes, for a player signed with the DPE we could offer him up to a 120% raise.  For a player acquired via trade, we would whatever free agent rights his original team would have had (which in this case would potentially limit it to whatever his declined rookie option was, given most of the DPE-eligible players out there).

Yes thanks.
For a signed player,as you say.
For a traded for player, most likely it's a declined option that looses Bird rights.

I know that the DPE is a stop gap for a catastrophic injuty, but the team is pretty limited resigning the player. The team still could use the TP-MLE if they we're over the cap?

The TPE could be used unless the DPE acquires a player who had his rookie option declined, in which case the Celtics could offer no more than the declined option.

TP, Thanks again.

As an aside. Is the CBA bedtime reading? You are an asset to the blog.

[Kernewek]

So no chance of Galinari coming back late this season then.

While that's been true since he tore his ACL in late August, the technical answer is that being granted a DPE means an NBA doctor has determined that Gallinari is substantially more likely than not to miss the rest of the season.  It's also permitted by rule for him to return.  Being granted the DPE really doesn't change much.

Remind me...  If we trade Gallo, the DPE disappears?  But if we use the DPE and then trade Gallo, it's okay?

Correct.

Dang you guys are good.

What type of rights do we have to the signed player (not via trade)
We can sign to 120% if we are over the cap?
EDIT: Even via trade do we get bird rights if otherwise eligible?

You mean next season?  Yes, for a player signed with the DPE we could offer him up to a 120% raise.  For a player acquired via trade, we would whatever free agent rights his original team would have had (which in this case would potentially limit it to whatever his declined rookie option was, given most of the DPE-eligible players out there).

Yes thanks.
For a signed player,as you say.
For a traded for player, most likely it's a declined option that looses Bird rights.

I know that the DPE is a stop gap for a catastrophic injuty, but the team is pretty limited resigning the player. The team still could use the TP-MLE if they we're over the cap?

The TPE could be used unless the DPE acquires a player who had his rookie option declined, in which case the Celtics could offer no more than the declined option.

This is an interesting edge case that I didn’t know - TP for that info.

[Vermont Green]

Ownership won't spend it....

This

These things are nuanced and I don't always know all the nuances but based on what Celtics2021 explained, cashflow is one thing, tax calculation is another.  If we sign a player to a vet min contract mid-season, the cashflow is only the prorated salary but the tax calculation is based on the full salary.  A min contract does not count fully against the tax but the portion that does, is applied based on the full season value.  The point is that the difference in tax isn't going to be all that much in the big scheme of things.  Using the DPE value if used will cost more in cash and in tax than a Vet min contract but I don't think enough difference that it is going to sway ownership's decision to sign someone.

We'll see.  I am surprised that Favors has not signed somewhere.  As Celtics2021 said, after the trade deadline, there tend to be players released.  Maybe being able to offer a little bit more with the DPE, Whiteside or Favors will be interested.  I feel that either of these guys could be on a team today if they wanted to be on a team.  Certainly we will be able to make a strong offer to anyone released at the deadline.  And by then, RWill is going to be back and in mid season form and Griffin is going to finally be in game shape and he will be contributing.  I am not worried about ownership.  They are just letting things play out.

[Celtics2021]

Ownership won't spend it....

This

These things are nuanced and I don't always know all the nuances but based on what Celtics2021 explained, cashflow is one thing, tax calculation is another.  If we sign a player to a vet min contract mid-season, the cashflow is only the prorated salary but the tax calculation is based on the full salary.  A min contract does not count fully against the tax but the portion that does, is applied based on the full season value.  The point is that the difference in tax isn't going to be all that much in the big scheme of things.  Using the DPE value if used will cost more in cash and in tax than a Vet min contract but I don't think enough difference that it is going to sway ownership's decision to sign someone.

We'll see.  I am surprised that Favors has not signed somewhere.  As Celtics2021 said, after the trade deadline, there tend to be players released.  Maybe being able to offer a little bit more with the DPE, Whiteside or Favors will be interested.  I feel that either of these guys could be on a team today if they wanted to be on a team.  Certainly we will be able to make a strong offer to anyone released at the deadline.  And by then, RWill is going to be back and in mid season form and Griffin is going to finally be in game shape and he will be contributing.  I am not worried about ownership.  They are just letting things play out.

This is incorrect.  A partial-season minimum deal only counts towards the tax to the amount that the player was paid, not the full-season amount.