More Brogdon Please…

[Vermont Green]

It is interesting that Horford and Grant are +16 in 43 min (Grant has total 155 min) in a variety of line ups (+10, 21 min in the 4th qtr).  Brogdon has not been great so far with the starters.   Not bad, just kind of neutral.  Grant is playing 28% of his total minutes with Horford so they are using that pairing a fair amount, just not to start the game.

What I see subjectively is that Brogdon has the ball in his hands a lot.  He operates with high Usage%.  There is more opportunity for that with the second unit.  That kind of offensive punch was what was missing from the bench last season in the playoffs.  Maybe Brogdon can get a few more minutes but I don't see Brogdon starting.  Adding punch to bench line ups is the role they got him for.  He is doing that.

I wouldn't give on Smart as a starter just yet.  That was an awesome starting unit last season with him as the PG, but with RWill in the mix of course.  And the starters (with White) have been good so far this season, +17 in 88 minutes (Smart and White were not great together last season).

Seems they are still experimenting with line ups, especially around the bench.  Vonleh and Griffin were playing more earlier in the season, now we are seeing more of Hauser and Kornet.   If you aren't going to play Vonleh and Griffin, it is hard to start Grant.  There is no one to play with the bench.  I see that is the key to being able to start Grant and Horford, you need something from Griffin or Vonleh or both.

[Neurotic Guy]

As well as Brogdon’s individual stats are and as polished as his offensive game is, his advanced lineup stats have been poor. His NET RTG in most 2,3,4 player lineups have been negative albeit in a small sample size.

Meanwhile, the starting lineup has logged the 9th most minutes for a 5-player lineup and it’s a +11 NET RTG. Again, small sample size, but speaks to what reality has been, potential chemistry issues, and the devaluing of Smart and White’s contributions.

The C’s are #8 in team OFF RTG, #18 in team DEF RTG, and the starting lineup has been excellent on defense. All that to say, continuing to bring along Brogdon slowly is the way to go; on the other hand, Grant and Hauser should have a serious discussion with Mazzulla on the minutes distribution.

Brogdon has been subpar defensively so far. The eyetest confirms this data.
Last night Williams got minutes at the end of the game over Brogdon due to his defensive superiority.
Mazzula is hardly playing Pritchard because of depth at his position and lack of defensive switchability.

Anyway, we're very early in the season, but Brogdon has been a bit disappointing. Same goes for Smart and White.
It makes sense to look for a quality big or swing for one or more of these contracts.

I haven’t been disappointed by any of the 3.  Brogdon has been a big plus, White’s been better than last year offensively and comparable defensively, and Smart’s been what you would expect- sometimes exasperating and sometimes brilliant.

That said, I have no problem looking to trade some guard talent for a big.  Trading Brogdon would need to be for a near all-star level big.

[#1P4P]

As well as Brogdon’s individual stats are and as polished as his offensive game is, his advanced lineup stats have been poor. His NET RTG in most 2,3,4 player lineups have been negative albeit in a small sample size.

Meanwhile, the starting lineup has logged the 9th most minutes for a 5-player lineup and it’s a +11 NET RTG. Again, small sample size, but speaks to what reality has been, potential chemistry issues, and the devaluing of Smart and White’s contributions.

The C’s are #8 in team OFF RTG, #18 in team DEF RTG, and the starting lineup has been excellent on defense. All that to say, continuing to bring along Brogdon slowly is the way to go; on the other hand, Grant and Hauser should have a serious discussion with Mazzulla on the minutes distribution.

Brogdon has been subpar defensively so far. The eyetest confirms this data.
Last night Williams got minutes at the end of the game over Brogdon due to his defensive superiority.
Mazzula is hardly playing Pritchard because of depth at his position and lack of defensive switchability.

Anyway, we're very early in the season, but Brogdon has been a bit disappointing. Same goes for Smart and White.
It makes sense to look for a quality big or swing for one or more of these contracts.

I didn’t mention Payton because we have 4 guards ahead of him on the depth chart. He’s a luxury to have and has to be one of the pieces going out if we’re going to acquire a big.

I’ve suggested trading Pritchard for Jared Vanderbilt and will add Naz Reid as another option.

I haven’t been disappointed by the guard trio especially White. The amount of players that are good defenders, can switch 1-4, and be a primary/secondary ball handler is such a short list that having multiple players that can is great.

I know Stevens, Mazzulla, and the coaching staff are committed to this switching defense. It’s yielded great results, but they should consider implementing a zone defense during the regular season while integrating new players into the rotation, to hide the lack of big depth, and relieve the stress from playing such a demanding defense.

[Goldstar88]

Thanks Joe. 

[Celtics4ever]

I didn’t mention Payton because we have 4 guards ahead of him on the depth chart. He’s a luxury to have and has to be one of the pieces going out if we’re going to acquire a big.

Do you think he has that kind of value, I sure don't

I’ve suggested trading Pritchard for Jared Vanderbilt and will add Naz Reid as another option.

I would love that, but I don't him alone enough to pull that deal.  Vanderbuilt is a way better player.  Maybe Ainge does it because Pritch is a home town guy to him almost but I doubt it

[radiohead]

Naz Reid would be interesting. Would Minny do it though?

[Goldstar88]

I didn’t mention Payton because we have 4 guards ahead of him on the depth chart. He’s a luxury to have and has to be one of the pieces going out if we’re going to acquire a big.

Do you think he has that kind of value, I sure don't

I’ve suggested trading Pritchard for Jared Vanderbilt and will add Naz Reid as another option.

I would love that, but I don't him alone enough to pull that deal.  Vanderbuilt is a way better player.  Maybe Ainge does it because Pritch is a home town guy to him almost but I doubt it

It’s possible. If the big is an expiring contract or someone a rebuilding team wants to unload. A TPE and a 2nd round pick could work as well. Few years ago the C’s were able to get Fournier for a TPE and two 2nd round picks.

[Big333223]

I didn’t mention Payton because we have 4 guards ahead of him on the depth chart. He’s a luxury to have and has to be one of the pieces going out if we’re going to acquire a big.

Do you think he has that kind of value, I sure don't

I’ve suggested trading Pritchard for Jared Vanderbilt and will add Naz Reid as another option.

I would love that, but I don't him alone enough to pull that deal.  Vanderbuilt is a way better player.  Maybe Ainge does it because Pritch is a home town guy to him almost but I doubt it

It’s possible. If the big is an expiring contract or someone a rebuilding team wants to unload. A TPE and a 2nd round pick could work as well. Few years ago the C’s were able to get Fournier for a TPE and two 2nd round picks.

I think Pritchard might have some real value around the league. He's a known shot maker. Not sure just how much that'll get you but it does seem like Minnesota is having trouble finding minutes for Reid.

As for Borgdon, he was talking about back tightness the other day. I wonder if his minutes are being kept down to preserve him.

[bogg]

As for Borgdon, he was talking about back tightness the other day. I wonder if his minutes are being kept down to preserve him.

Yea, Brogdon's a very good player, but he falls apart physically. Keep his minutes down and hopefully get him to the playoffs healthy. Having Smart and White means you can live with not maximizing Brogdon's role in the regular season.