Celtics reportedly talked to Hawks about potential Jaylen Brown trade last offse

[Celtics4ever]

the spare parts and #8 go to MIL

They are are going to want a lot more than spare parts and #8 for Giannis.

if ATL is willing to give up Kuminga, Risacher, NAW, AND #8 for Brown.

Brown is a proven allstar.  NAW is the best part of that deal and the others not so much.   A draft pick might not be able to help us for 2-3 years.  This would be a wasting the window of Tatum trade.

[slamtheking]

As I've said in other threads and now we know the actual pick, I'd still do Okongwu, NAW, Risacher, and 8 for Brown and maybe 27 or 40.  2 decent starters, a flyer in Risacher, and a top 8 pick in a deep draft.  More balanced roster and 2 shots a real difference maker long term.

I'm a fan of NAW and think he has even more untapped potential.

Any way we could change that a bit?

Brown the Hawks

Giannis and NAW to the Celtics

Risacher, Kuminga, Hauser, 8, and Celtic picks to the Bucks

Hawks have a core of Brown-Daniels-Okongwu-Johnson-McCullom

Celtics have a core of NAW-White-Tatum-Giannis-Pritchard-Queta

Bucks have Risacher, Kuminga, Rollins, 8th pick, 10th pick, and whatever they get for Kuzma, Turner, and Portis moving forward.

I would think all three teams would like their team after the trade. As a Celtic fan, I'd be thrilled.

you'd be the only one.  too much to give up.  JB, Hauser and picks?

Not just for Giannis. For Giannis and a guard that averaged 21ppg and 4apg since January. A guy that continues to get better and plays good defense.

Yeah, I think slam might be misunderstanding or just not interested in Giannis at all. If the original deal is Jaylen and picks, but if we give up Hauser, then we can acquire NAW, too - that's a no brainer. It's definitely not happening as NAW has much greater value than Hauser, but I think we should all be thrilled if the deal expanded that way and we got Giannis and NAW

no, I understood.  I'm not as enthralled with NAW as others are.  not enough years with that level of production for me to look at it as consistent production rather than a one-off season.  Throw in the fact we aren't loaded with picks for trades, unlike the Danny years, I'm extremely reluctant to part with first rounders which is the easiest way to add cheap, cost-controlled talent to the team

[jambr380]

As I've said in other threads and now we know the actual pick, I'd still do Okongwu, NAW, Risacher, and 8 for Brown and maybe 27 or 40.  2 decent starters, a flyer in Risacher, and a top 8 pick in a deep draft.  More balanced roster and 2 shots a real difference maker long term.

I'm a fan of NAW and think he has even more untapped potential.

Any way we could change that a bit?

Brown the Hawks

Giannis and NAW to the Celtics

Risacher, Kuminga, Hauser, 8, and Celtic picks to the Bucks

Hawks have a core of Brown-Daniels-Okongwu-Johnson-McCullom

Celtics have a core of NAW-White-Tatum-Giannis-Pritchard-Queta

Bucks have Risacher, Kuminga, Rollins, 8th pick, 10th pick, and whatever they get for Kuzma, Turner, and Portis moving forward.

I would think all three teams would like their team after the trade. As a Celtic fan, I'd be thrilled.

you'd be the only one.  too much to give up.  JB, Hauser and picks?

Not just for Giannis. For Giannis and a guard that averaged 21ppg and 4apg since January. A guy that continues to get better and plays good defense.

Yeah, I think slam might be misunderstanding or just not interested in Giannis at all. If the original deal is Jaylen and picks, but if we give up Hauser, then we can acquire NAW, too - that's a no brainer. It's definitely not happening as NAW has much greater value than Hauser, but I think we should all be thrilled if the deal expanded that way and we got Giannis and NAW

no, I understood.  I'm not as enthralled with NAW as others are.  not enough years with that level of production for me to look at it as consistent production rather than a one-off season.  Throw in the fact we aren't loaded with picks for trades, unlike the Danny years, I'm extremely reluctant to part with first rounders which is the easiest way to add cheap, cost-controlled talent to the team

I don?t know, I would gladly trade Hauser for NAW and think most  others would do the same. As I said, the Brown/picks thing is happening regardless if you are trading for Giannis, but I can see not everybody being on board with that

[Vermont Green]

the spare parts and #8 go to MIL

They are are going to want a lot more than spare parts and #8 for Giannis.

if ATL is willing to give up Kuminga, Risacher, NAW, AND #8 for Brown.

Brown is a proven allstar.  NAW is the best part of that deal and the others not so much.   A draft pick might not be able to help us for 2-3 years.  This would be a wasting the window of Tatum trade.

Seems to be a couple of proposed trades and comments are getting conflated.  What the trade I commented on is offering to MIL for Giannis (who would go to BOS) is:

Risacher, Kuminga, Hauser, 8, and Celtic picks to the Bucks

So yes, spare parts but also pick 8 and picks (plural) from BOS.  I am assuming 2.  Maybe this is not enough for MIL, I don't know, I said I was OK with the trade for BOS.  What I am interpreting this to mean specific to BOS is the following:

     Out:  Brown, Hauser, (2) future firsts
      In:   Giannis, NAW

I would prefer (1) pick going out of course but maybe with protections (2) future picks is OK.  I view MAW as an upgrade over Hauser.  His one great season in ATL could be an outlier, there is some risk in that, but he established himself as a legit starting level player, something Hauser has not done and at this point is not likely to do.  He probably will not put up 20 pts on BOS as he did in ATL but I see him as a productive starter, something else for the defense to think about.

White
Alexander-Walker
Tatum
Giannis
Queta

Would rather have a C that can shoot but this is still a very good team.  Two starting positions are improved, Giannis > Brown, Alexander-Walker > Hauser.  And I like Tatum at SF over PF, so kind of a positional improvement their also.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

the spare parts and #8 go to MIL

They are are going to want a lot more than spare parts and #8 for Giannis.

if ATL is willing to give up Kuminga, Risacher, NAW, AND #8 for Brown.

Brown is a proven allstar.  NAW is the best part of that deal and the others not so much.   A draft pick might not be able to help us for 2-3 years.  This would be a wasting the window of Tatum trade.

Seems to be a couple of proposed trades and comments are getting conflated.  What the trade I commented on is offering to MIL for Giannis (who would go to BOS) is:

Risacher, Kuminga, Hauser, 8, and Celtic picks to the Bucks

So yes, spare parts but also pick 8 and picks (plural) from BOS.  I am assuming 2.  Maybe this is not enough for MIL, I don't know, I said I was OK with the trade for BOS.  What I am interpreting this to mean specific to BOS is the following:

     Out:  Brown, Hauser, (2) future firsts
      In:   Giannis, NAW

I would prefer (1) pick going out of course but maybe with protections (2) future picks is OK.  I view MAW as an upgrade over Hauser.  His one great season in ATL could be an outlier, there is some risk in that, but he established himself as a legit starting level player, something Hauser has not done and at this point is not likely to do.  He probably will not put up 20 pts on BOS as he did in ATL but I see him as a productive starter, something else for the defense to think about.

White
Alexander-Walker
Tatum
Giannis
Queta

Would rather have a C that can shoot but this is still a very good team.  Two starting positions are improved, Giannis > Brown, Alexander-Walker > Hauser.  And I like Tatum at SF over PF, so kind of a positional improvement their also.

Yes. I'm sorry if I conflated another person's trade.

My idea was:

Celtics get NAW and Giannis
Hawks get Brown
Bucks get Hauser, Risacher, Kuminga, #8, picks from Boston

If I'm the Bucks, I'd be happy with how that trade kickstarts my rebuild. Risacher may just need a change of scenery, but he still does project to be at least an NBA starter. Kuminga is a young exciting talent that you can force feed and see if he can become a 25ppg guy. Plus, they get two swings at 8 and 10 in a good draft. They still have Rollins at guard, and can trade Portis and Turner for other young players/assets/picks.

It is a lot to give up for the Hawks, but I don't think it's too much. It's essentially the same trade as what Moranis suggested before, but with Kuminga instead of Okongwu, which keeps their team better balanced. A core of Brown-Johnson-Okongwu-Daniels is pretty good.

For the Cs, I'm looking for guys who can compete in the playoffs. What I saw from NAW last year for the Wolves made me think he can hold his own against the best guards in the NBA. Plus, he's got some untapped potential and is on an excellent contract right now.

In a bigger, even crazier version of this trade, I could see White also going out to the Rockets for Smith and possibly Reed. Reed goes to the Bucks, and we either get Smith, or Smith goes to the Bucks and Turner comes to the Cs. In that trade iteration, we have access to a full MLE without going into the 1st apron. We move forward with Giannis-Tatum-NAW-Smith(or Turner)-Pritchard-Queta-Hugo-Baylor-MLE guard. I'd feel really good about that team's potential.

[Celtics4ever]

If I'm the Bucks, I'd be happy with how that trade kickstarts my rebuild.

You would be fired pretty quickly if you made that deal.  Here is why:

We got a lot better deal when traded KG and PP in terms of picks.    The Grizzles got a better offer than that for Desmond Bane. BOS picks would be terrible.  Kuminga scores about 12 ppg, Risacher scores 9.6 PPG, and  Hauser  scores 9.2 PPG.  None of these guys are future stars or a centerpiece.  The number 8 pick is not a guaranteed success either.

Giannis is their franchise, they are looking to get a good mother load offer.  With all due respect, I don't think MIL would got for this trade for the above reasons.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

If I'm the Bucks, I'd be happy with how that trade kickstarts my rebuild.

You would be fired pretty quickly if you made that deal.

You've made a few comments like this lately. That isn't a conversation, which is the point of this forum. You aren't talking about the idea of it, or weighing the value of trade, or making your own mock trade suggestions. I've showed why I think it makes sense.

Either have a conversation, or don't post.

What makes you think that would be a bad trade package for Giannis?

[Celtics4ever]

I did above, I decided to modify this comment, sorry it was not quick enough.  I think I explained to my satisfaction.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

If I'm the Bucks, I'd be happy with how that trade kickstarts my rebuild.

You would be fired pretty quickly if you made that deal.  Here is why:

We got a lot better deal when traded KG and PP in terms of picks.    The Grizzles got a better offer than that for Desmond Bane. BOS picks would be terrible.  Kuminga scores about 12 ppg, Risacher scores 9.6 PPG, and  Hauser  scores 9.2 PPG.  None of these guys are future stars or a centerpiece.  The number 8 pick is not a guaranteed success either.

Giannis is their franchise, they are looking to get a good mother load offer.  With all due respect, I don't think MIL would got for this trade for the above reasons.

I appreciate the discourse.

Kuminga is a distressed asset. For several years, the prevailing thought has been that if you put him on a lottery team, he could be a 20+ppg guy. There's a reason he signed a 20+mil a year short-term contract.

I'm not a huge fan of Risacher, but he's only two years removed from being the 1st overall pick, and he's had stretches where he looked like a good starting wing in the league. He's probably not an all-star player, but he's a good young prospect that's actually been productive in stretches.

In a trade like this, the Bucks probably get more picks than the Grizzles did, and in all likelihood, none of the Grizzles picks they got from the Magic will be even close to as valuable as the #8 pick in what is regard as one of the better drafts in the last 10 years.

It is a solid rebuild option that lands a solid veteran wing (Hauser), another productive veteran wing that is still young and has high upside (Kuminga), a previously #1 overall pick, and the #8 overall pick in a loaded draft, plus a warchest of other picks. That's a good haul.

Luka Doncic just was traded for what essentially ended up being a backup wing (Christie, who is comparable to Hauser in value), four expiring contracts (Middleton, Johnson, Branham, Bagley), the 30th pick in the 2026 draft, a top 20 protected 2030 pick from Warriors, an unprotected 2029 Lakers 1st, and several second rounders.

The trade above is better than what the Suns got for Durant - Green, Brooks, 2025 1st (Maluch), and 4 seconds.

I'm not saying its a perfect deal. My argument is that it is well within the typical market value for a superstar. Maybe some team offers more? Maybe the Bucks prefer getting Brown to stay competitive instead of diverting him to a third team like the Hawks for young players. But it is typical value.

[Who]

If I'm the Bucks, I'd be happy with how that trade kickstarts my rebuild.

You would be fired pretty quickly if you made that deal.  Here is why:

We got a lot better deal when traded KG and PP in terms of picks.    The Grizzles got a better offer than that for Desmond Bane. BOS picks would be terrible.  Kuminga scores about 12 ppg, Risacher scores 9.6 PPG, and  Hauser  scores 9.2 PPG.  None of these guys are future stars or a centerpiece.  The number 8 pick is not a guaranteed success either.

Giannis is their franchise, they are looking to get a good mother load offer.  With all due respect, I don't think MIL would got for this trade for the above reasons.

Agreed. I think it is a terrible return for Giannis. Three role players (Hauser, Risacher, Kuminga) and the 8th pick.

[Vermont Green]

There was a story that MIL asked CLE for the following for Giannis:

Mobley (Assuming + Merrill as needed for salaries to match)
3 Future firsts (most well in the future)
3 Pick Swaps

What this proposed 3-way has going to MIL is:

Risacher, Kuminga, Hauser
Pick #8, (2) BOS Firsts

Mobley is better than the players offered by ATL in this proposed trade, but I don't think this is miles apart.  MIL would no doubt ask for Jalen Johnson instead of Risacher, ATL might say OK, but then no #8.  Keep in mind that all ATL is getting from this is Brown.

[Moranis]

There was a story that MIL asked CLE for the following for Giannis:

Mobley (Assuming + Merrill as needed for salaries to match)
3 Future firsts (most well in the future)
3 Pick Swaps

What this proposed 3-way has going to MIL is:

Risacher, Kuminga, Hauser
Pick #8, (2) BOS Firsts

Mobley is better than the players offered by ATL in this proposed trade, but I don't think this is miles apart.  MIL would no doubt ask for Jalen Johnson instead of Risacher, ATL might say OK, but then no #8.  Keep in mind that all ATL is getting from this is Brown.

I don't think Atlanta would trade Johnson straight up for Brown.

[jambr380]

If I'm the Bucks, I'd be happy with how that trade kickstarts my rebuild.

You would be fired pretty quickly if you made that deal.  Here is why:

We got a lot better deal when traded KG and PP in terms of picks.    The Grizzles got a better offer than that for Desmond Bane. BOS picks would be terrible.  Kuminga scores about 12 ppg, Risacher scores 9.6 PPG, and  Hauser  scores 9.2 PPG.  None of these guys are future stars or a centerpiece.  The number 8 pick is not a guaranteed success either.

Giannis is their franchise, they are looking to get a good mother load offer.  With all due respect, I don't think MIL would got for this trade for the above reasons.

Agreed. I think it is a terrible return for Giannis. Three role players (Hauser, Risacher, Kuminga) and the 8th pick.

I generally agree that this is a bad trade for the Bucks. At the very least, they should get control of their 2027 pick back from the Hawks, which is the least favorable between the Bucks and Pelicans.

For this reason, I wouldn't sleep on the Blazers as a possible Jaylen destination in a 3-team trade. The Blazers own the Bucks 2029 pick outright and have swap rights in 2028 and 2030.

In an ideal world, the Bucks would want to tank in peace. The 2027 pick with the Pelicans isn't perfect, since I would expect the Pelicans to be better than a tanking Bucks team, but at least they would be getting an expected very good pick.

[Who]

There was a story that MIL asked CLE for the following for Giannis:

Mobley (Assuming + Merrill as needed for salaries to match)
3 Future firsts (most well in the future)
3 Pick Swaps

What this proposed 3-way has going to MIL is:

Risacher, Kuminga, Hauser
Pick #8, (2) BOS Firsts

Mobley is better than the players offered by ATL in this proposed trade, but I don't think this is miles apart.  MIL would no doubt ask for Jalen Johnson instead of Risacher, ATL might say OK, but then no #8.  Keep in mind that all ATL is getting from this is Brown.

A straight swap of Jalen Johnson for Giannis is an interesting proposal. Need some salary filler. Kispert and Buddy Hield as cap filler.

I wouldn't trade Jalen Johnson for Jaylen if I were Atlanta given their age differences but Giannis is on another level. A perennial MVP candidate. I would have to think about that. I still probably wouldn't do it. But there is enough there to think about it:

G: McCollum
G: NAW
F: D Daniels, Risacher
F: Giannis, Kuminga
C: Okongwu

Okongwu gives ATL the stretch 5 Giannis wants next to him. NAW and McCollum is a nice backcourt next to Giannis. Two high caliber shooters. Dyson Daniels' lack of shooting ain't great. Kuminga is a bad fit with Giannis. Risacher is a questionable fit depending on how reliable his shot can be. It could work out.

They should try trading Kuminga for a guard. Balance out that roster better. Mo Gueye can step up as Giannis' understudy at PF. The bench is real thin. Asa Newell should be a good backup center in time but whether he can be that next season is unknown.

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Is that Atlanta team any better than some of the recent Bucks teams with Lillard? I don't think so.

It doesn't feel like enough to make them a title contender. More of a 2nd tier team. Is it worth giving up on 10 years of Jalen Johnson for a Giannis team that isn't even good enough to be a title contender? I don't think so.

ATL do not seem to have many other cards to play to get Giannis help. Kuminga's trade value is low. Risacher's value is probably low at this point too. Neither Okongwu or Dyson Daniels have high trade value. McCollum is too old to have much trade value. There aren't many levers they can pull there to further improve the team.