Jermaine Wiggins on ‘EEI says Jaylen wants out?!?!

[Moranis]

Jaylen's been part of a playoff run literally every year he's been healthy in Boston. The Celtics will have the ability to pay him more than anybody else on his next contract. He had community ties including a business and speaking at MIT/Harvard. He may not be the first option, but he's a pretty high usage #2. Boston may not be a glamour market, but it is a pretty high profile market. He's never, to my knowledge, said anything publicly other than "I want to win here."

Unless something goes horribly wrong the next few years I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't re-sign. This seems more like people reading their own feelings into the situation (and of course trying to find something to talk about on the radio in slow summer months).

He only has 2 more years on his contract.  The question is will the Celts offer him a SuperMax contract.  If not, I think it is a coin flip as to whether he resigns.

He isn't eligible for a supermax at this point so that doesn't seem to matter.

[keevsnick]

Jaylen's been part of a playoff run literally every year he's been healthy in Boston. The Celtics will have the ability to pay him more than anybody else on his next contract. He had community ties including a business and speaking at MIT/Harvard. He may not be the first option, but he's a pretty high usage #2. Boston may not be a glamour market, but it is a pretty high profile market. He's never, to my knowledge, said anything publicly other than "I want to win here."

Unless something goes horribly wrong the next few years I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't re-sign. This seems more like people reading their own feelings into the situation (and of course trying to find something to talk about on the radio in slow summer months).

He only has 2 more years on his contract.  The question is will the Celts offer him a SuperMax contract.  If not, I think it is a coin flip as to whether he resigns.

Well they can't offer him the supermax, unless he makes all-nba one of the next two years. If he does make it I'm sure they'll offer it, because two way all-star wings are insanely valuable. But even if he doesn't they can still offer the most money.

But honestly I don't get why its a coin flip. Seriously, what exactly makes people think that? High usage offensive player, team leader, good high publicity market, favored to make the finals again next year, highest pay possible. Like players dont often leave that kind of great situation. Only guy recently who did was kawhi, and we knew for like a solid year ahead of time that he wanted to be in LA. No such rumblings from jaylen.

I really dont get where the pessimism is coming from.

[Who]

Well, we know what is really happening. CBS planted this story in the press to try and get fans on board with trading a 25yr old Jaylen Brown for a 34yr old Kevin Durant 

[tonydelk]

I think we learned with Kyrie that you never know.  I haven't seen anywhere JB disputing this.  We also all say the tweet he liked about being disrespected by Boston Fans.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10040065-jaylen-brown-likes-tweet-about-being-disrespected-amid-kevin-durant-trade-rumors

I love Jaylen Brown.  I want him a Celtic for life but there are to many arsehat Celtic fans that can drive players away.  The rep in the city of Boston has improved but it's still on players minds on how players used to be treated.  The average and majority of C's fans are great but there are some that act like they have part ownership of the team and when the team does not do well they are brutal.  That's just social media warriors at their best.  I think the players know this.  You would think that the team has had many conversations with him and he knows how they feel.  JB will want the max on his next contract so either the C's give him that or he's gone. 

While I'm sure Wiggins asked this and JB probably blew him off.  It's easy to say you got that impression just because of a look that was given.  Easy to spin your narrative in the media.  I'm sure this has gotten talked about a lot.  That's what the real motivation from Wiggins was.

[#1P4P]

Jaylen's been part of a playoff run literally every year he's been healthy in Boston. The Celtics will have the ability to pay him more than anybody else on his next contract. He had community ties including a business and speaking at MIT/Harvard. He may not be the first option, but he's a pretty high usage #2. Boston may not be a glamour market, but it is a pretty high profile market. He's never, to my knowledge, said anything publicly other than "I want to win here."

Unless something goes horribly wrong the next few years I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't re-sign. This seems more like people reading their own feelings into the situation (and of course trying to find something to talk about on the radio in slow summer months).

He only has 2 more years on his contract.  The question is will the Celts offer him a SuperMax contract.  If not, I think it is a coin flip as to whether he resigns.

Well they can't offer him the supermax, unless he makes all-nba one of the next two years. If he does make it I'm sure they'll offer it, because two way all-star wings are insanely valuable. But even if he doesn't they can still offer the most money.

But honestly I don't get why its a coin flip. Seriously, what exactly makes people think that? High usage offensive player, team leader, good high publicity market, favored to make the finals again next year, highest pay possible. Like players dont often leave that kind of great situation. Only guy recently who did was kawhi, and we knew for like a solid year ahead of time that he wanted to be in LA. No such rumblings from jaylen.

I really dont get where the pessimism is coming from.

Great post. The fear of losing Brown for nothing and entertaining the gossip drives the pessimism. The media will speculate and plant these ideas knowing that it will spread through their consumer base. They tried to create a rift between him and Tatum to the point that they had to sit down with each other and ask if there’s any truth to it.

Malcolm Brogdon said Jaylen was one of the 4 Celtics to call him along with Tatum, Horford, and Udoka, but that tidbit doesn’t rile up the fanbase and garner ratings.

Brad, the other execs, and coaching staff are around the players for 8-9 months of the year, they’ll have the intel to extend or trade Jaylen before his contract expires. Until then, Jaylen is 25 and the second best player on the EC Champions.

[Roy H.]

Jaylen's been part of a playoff run literally every year he's been healthy in Boston. The Celtics will have the ability to pay him more than anybody else on his next contract. He had community ties including a business and speaking at MIT/Harvard. He may not be the first option, but he's a pretty high usage #2. Boston may not be a glamour market, but it is a pretty high profile market. He's never, to my knowledge, said anything publicly other than "I want to win here."

Unless something goes horribly wrong the next few years I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't re-sign. This seems more like people reading their own feelings into the situation (and of course trying to find something to talk about on the radio in slow summer months).

He only has 2 more years on his contract.  The question is will the Celts offer him a SuperMax contract.  If not, I think it is a coin flip as to whether he resigns.

Well they can't offer him the supermax, unless he makes all-nba one of the next two years. If he does make it I'm sure they'll offer it, because two way all-star wings are insanely valuable. But even if he doesn't they can still offer the most money.

But honestly I don't get why its a coin flip. Seriously, what exactly makes people think that? High usage offensive player, team leader, good high publicity market, favored to make the finals again next year, highest pay possible. Like players dont often leave that kind of great situation. Only guy recently who did was kawhi, and we knew for like a solid year ahead of time that he wanted to be in LA. No such rumblings from jaylen.

I really dont get where the pessimism is coming from.

I think some people see a Kobe / Shaq dynamic here.  Or Lebron / Kyrie.  Or, pick your example of one player being treated like Robin, because he's playing next to a guy who is perceived as Batman.  Or hell, sometimes even Batman wants more of the spot light (Durant leaving OKC, or even Shaq leaving Orlando).

Guys leave good situations all of the time.

[Who]

I would think that Brown knows he is not good enough to be the #1 guy on a title team. Very few players are, this is not a knock on Brown.  Unless he wants to be Bradley Beal, the best player on a mediocre team, he is not going to be "the guy".  And as I said, it seems to me that Brown is smart enough to understand this.

I don't believe this is how most players think about this - about moving teams to prove you can win a titles as a #1.

I believe it is more about (1) I am good enough to do more than I getting an opportunity to do on my own team. To proving yourself capable of doing more than you are already doing. In some cases, of being more than a robin to somebody else's batman (2) opportunity to earn more money via NBA paycheck or sponsorship deals (3) more media attention and accolades for accomplishments. Sick of being overlooked / looked past while other players garner all or disproportionate amount of attention. Don't feel they get their own just deserves (4) having a team built around you both in terms {a}maximizing myself {b} respect / kudos from rivals that you are a legit franchise guy. And that respect from peers / competitors you get when you are the franchise guy of your team instead of a supporting piece.

And then it is ... the start of a new adventure. See where it takes you.

It is about proving you can be a #1. You can be the lead dog; the main man. The catalyst for your team. The guy the team is built around. Then comes the focus of individual success ...

But team success is further down the line and it usually starts with winning lot of games before turning into hopes of winning a title after a couple of seasons when the shiny new things (money, fame, awards) start to lose their shine and you begin focusing more on long term legacy / titles.

Winning a title / team success is rarely the starting point. Individual success / money / fame / credit / proving oneself are.

"Being good enough to be a #1 on a title team" -- I just do not think this is how players approach / frame the idea / decision of whether to leave a team or not to prove yourself as a franchise guy.

It is more can I be as good as Devin Booker more so than can I be as good as LeBron James. Can I be as good as Carmelo Anthony more so than Tim Duncan. Seeing guys of somewhat similar ability who get more media attention, more sponsorships and money, more awards and recognition from the media.

[Walker Wiggle]

I find Jermaine Wiggins entertaining on the radio here in Boston, but that's about it.

Could Brown leave in two years? Sure, it's possible, but I wouldn't exaggerate the likelihood of that happening.

At the end of his current contract, the Celtics will almost assuredly offer him the maximum possible, which would be 30% of the cap given his number of years in the league by then. The advantage of staying with the Celtics would be to earn higher increases from years 1-4 (8% vs 5% if he jumped to another team). Plus, the Celtics could, and probably will, offer him a 5th year option for some added security. Assuming the salary cap goes up by 10% over the next two years (the historical trend), that 5th year option would be worth around $60m. The difference in total contract size would be around $70m.

Guys sometimes jump to other teams, of course, but the point is that there has to be several things in place for that to happen: 1) Brown not totally happy, 2) he's willing give up some financial security, and 3) a team *he actually wants to go to* has ~$45m in cap space to throw at him. This is why you probably don't trade Brown before his contract is up unless you KNOW he's unhappy and wants out.

[JSD]

Jaylen's been part of a playoff run literally every year he's been healthy in Boston. The Celtics will have the ability to pay him more than anybody else on his next contract. He had community ties including a business and speaking at MIT/Harvard. He may not be the first option, but he's a pretty high usage #2. Boston may not be a glamour market, but it is a pretty high profile market. He's never, to my knowledge, said anything publicly other than "I want to win here."

Unless something goes horribly wrong the next few years I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't re-sign. This seems more like people reading their own feelings into the situation (and of course trying to find something to talk about on the radio in slow summer months).

He only has 2 more years on his contract.  The question is will the Celts offer him a SuperMax contract.  If not, I think it is a coin flip as to whether he resigns.

Well they can't offer him the supermax, unless he makes all-nba one of the next two years. If he does make it I'm sure they'll offer it, because two way all-star wings are insanely valuable. But even if he doesn't they can still offer the most money.

But honestly I don't get why its a coin flip. Seriously, what exactly makes people think that? High usage offensive player, team leader, good high publicity market, favored to make the finals again next year, highest pay possible. Like players dont often leave that kind of great situation. Only guy recently who did was kawhi, and we knew for like a solid year ahead of time that he wanted to be in LA. No such rumblings from jaylen.

I really dont get where the pessimism is coming from.

Great post. The fear of losing Brown for nothing and entertaining the gossip drives the pessimism. The media will speculate and plant these ideas knowing that it will spread through their consumer base. They tried to create a rift between him and Tatum to the point that they had to sit down with each other and ask if there’s any truth to it.

Malcolm Brogdon said Jaylen was one of the 4 Celtics to call him along with Tatum, Horford, and Udoka, but that tidbit doesn’t rile up the fanbase and garner ratings.

Brad, the other execs, and coaching staff are around the players for 8-9 months of the year, they’ll have the intel to extend or trade Jaylen before his contract expires. Until then, Jaylen is 25 and the second best player on the EC Champions.

Great post. When Brogdon talked to the media about Jaylen Brown calling him I took it as a pretty good indication all this other stuff was nonsense.

[Kuberski33]

The way the NBA is right now, any star player can decide at any time that he wants out of a team and the team is at their mercy for the most part. The Durant situation is a case in point.

Until further notice, the Celtics have a 2 year window as an elite team. In theory the Celtics would have an advantage in that they could offer Jaylen an extra year. However in these days of the players having too much power, that doesn't mean a whole lot. He can sign somewhere else for 4 years and an out after one or two without hurting his earning capacity.

[tenn_smoothie]

This may be a lot of publicity hype by Wiggins or the radio station or whatever. Let's hope so.

But it does seem that rumors of Jaylen Brown being somewhat discontent in Boston crop up from time to time. Roy started a thread about this very subject recently. Brown strikes me as someone all too willing to be offended. Us fans criticize him but it's no wonder. He's making the same dumb plays he made when he was a rookie. Then his name comes up in trade rumors, but I don't think any of those came from Celtic management. He didn't make the all-star team, but Tatum did. Is that the city of Boston's fault or the Celtic organization's fault ? I would think he would be better served working on correcting his bad basketball habits than reading the sports news or social media chat rooms. The guy is in a great situation, the #2 player on a young contender for years to come playing for the most storied franchise in professional basketball. He has a chance to help revive the next run of titles for the Boston Celtics.

But if he wants to go to some mediocre team just to be their best player, if that is where his priorities are at, all the best to him.

[aefgogreen]

Meh...just WEEI doing what they need to do to get listeners.

Agreed - any time someone says they aren't a snitch and then proceed to snitch, they lose credibility in my book.

[G-Bones]

This may be a lot of publicity hype by Wiggins or the radio station or whatever. Let's hope so.

But it does seem that rumors of Jaylen Brown being somewhat discontent in Boston crop up from time to time. Roy started a thread about this very subject recently. Brown strikes me as someone all too willing to be offended. Us fans criticize him but it's no wonder. He's making the same dumb plays he made when he was a rookie. Then his name comes up in trade rumors, but I don't think any of those came from Celtic management. He didn't make the all-star team, but Tatum did. Is that the city of Boston's fault or the Celtic organization's fault ? I would think he would be better served working on correcting his bad basketball habits than reading the sports news or social media chat rooms. The guy is in a great situation, the #2 player on a young contender for years to come playing for the most storied franchise in professional basketball. He has a chance to help revive the next run of titles for the Boston Celtics.

But if he wants to go to some mediocre team just to be their best player, if that is where his priorities are at, all the best to him.

Spot on.  I will assume that Brown is happy until I hear differently from him.

[SHAQATTACK]

Yeah , I saw that early this morning , and thought it was not worth putting on the forum ,  click bate .

99% of Celtics fans love Brown ,  he should ignore the uneducated few that rant garbage about him.