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Derrick Rose An option for the Cs?
« on: June 26, 2021, 10:57:37 PM »

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 If we don't sign Fournier how much money can we throw at him? 32 years old. Beat  player on the Knicks in the playoffs by a mile.

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Tatum
Brown
Smart
Rose

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Going after Rose shouldn't be mutually exclusive with Fournier, you go after him regardless.

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2021, 12:46:02 AM »

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 I was dreaming of that starting five.

Horford/Timelord
Tatum
Fournier
Brown
Rose

 That looks very nice on paper.  Smart, Romeo, Prichard, Nesmith, Timelord and Brown and Thompson for now.

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 I was dreaming of that starting five.

Horford/Timelord
Tatum
Fournier
Brown
Rose

 That looks very nice on paper.  Smart, Romeo, Prichard, Nesmith, Timelord and Brown and Thompson for now.

Not opposed to that unit, would prefer Fournier off the bench with another PF in taking the starting spot, but that starting 5 I'm good with.

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This is my dream. Either him or Rondo.

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Rose's value right now is at an all time high and he should cash in.

still think an injury free season is asking for too much with Rose as he has been plagued by it which caused his value to dip.

but if not run to the ground, for 20 min/game and you get the better side of him...


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Doubt he will leave New York.. they like him and vice versa
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. What can we offer rose if we resign Fournier as well

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. What can we offer rose if we resign Fournier as well

It is not as simple as this.  The simple answer is that whether we sign Fournier or not, we are over the cap and cannot sign any FAs, Rose or otherwise, unless we use the MLE or do a sign and trade.

If you want to do a sign and trade, you could send out as much salary as you want.  For example, if we send out Smart and Thompson, you could sign Rose for $20M or even more and still have some money to sign Fournier (but not much else due to the hard cap that would apply).

If you don't do a sign and trade, the only option is to use one of two version of the MLE.  The non-taxpayer version of this is $9.2M but his would hard cap us and with no other salary going out, would only leave us $5M or so to sign Fournier.  The more realistic version is the taxpayer version that is $5.7M.  If we stay under this value, we can sign Fournier for whatever we want albeit we will be subject to tax.

So the long, convoluted version of this is that I don't think it is worth getting hard capped for Rose so the practical limit to this is a max offer of $5.7M (the full taxpayer MLE).  In order for a S&T to result in enough "room" (under the hard cap) to sign Fournier, NYK would need to back more salary than Rose is signed for.  NYK is under the cap so they could in theory accept Thompson ($9.7M) and say Grant Williams ($2.6M) and if Rose took maybe $8M, that would free up enough for us to sign Fournier and stay under the imposed hard cap.  I don't see this as very likely.

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Rose
Kidd
Porzingis
Billups

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No thanks

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Rose's value right now is at an all time high and he should cash in.

still think an injury free season is asking for too much with Rose as he has been plagued by it which caused his value to dip.

but if not run to the ground, for 20 min/game and you get the better side of him...
Interesting take on the youngest MVP the league has ever seen
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
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Naw …no Thanks

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2021, 10:49:05 PM »

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I hope not. 

I've never been a massive fan of Rose's game.  He's been a mediocre-to-bad defrender and outside shooter for pretty much his entire career, and has always been exceptionally dependant on athleticism (which can only go down).

and I'm not a fan of his attitude or personality either.  Rose is the guy that will cry injury and sit out half a season becuase he broke a fingernail, and wasn't he also one of the guys who Jimmy Butler didnt get along with in Chicago because he didnt want to put in work in practices?

Rose to me is the ultimate prima donna, really not a fan of seeing him on this team.

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2021, 02:15:35 AM »

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This is my dream. Either him or Rondo.

TP. Would love to have Rondo back and always had pipe dreams of having Rose. Both could be very valuable veteran guides, and at a starting role at that, I think both would be very much interested, in Rondo's case even more so if the Clippers lose in 5.