Which plan POBS should choose ?

[Rikibellevie]

It is early and the speculation will go on and new ideas will come. But at this time and as it will be the game for weeks to come, which reconstruction plan you think GMBS should decide ? Of course I try to take only the realistic (financialy and valuably) options proposed so far. I try not to developp to much what is developping in other posts

Plan A

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This plan is basically saying 2 things : we had an unpredictable bad year because of unluck, we all vastly overeact and in the same time we are not yet a conteder, so not the best time to go All In
This plan consist on staying path, thinking Kemba is adapted to be the 3rd guy with a good mentality for it and that our youth will soon, even next year, give solid bench or even starting minutes. Just resign Fournier and deep bench min vets.
The core A : Kemba-Fournier-Brown-Tatum-Timelord      Smart-Langford-Nesmith-Parker-Thompson (...)

Plan B 1

This plan consider that what we can have in a trade with Kemba is enough to build better base, without restrictions, with more bench players, with shorter contracts.
In that way, many posted the Bulls possibilty. Then S/T for Collins with multiple picks and youth (say Nesmith with what Hawks may want) But as Nick posted we should loose Fournier cause Apron.
The core B1 Smart-Brown-Tatum-Collins-Timelord     Pritchard-Satoranski-Langford-Young-Thompson

Plan B 2

The same idea than last one but dealing with the Clipps
The core B2 : Smart-Brown-Tatum-Morris-Timelord     Pritchard-Berverly-Langford-Parker/Nesmith-Thompson

Plan C

The idea is that in dumping Walker and Thompson salary (+Edwards and ev Grant) can create a little space and that there is interesting players on FA in playmaking and defensive specialist. We would also be far from lux tac again, could use all the TPEs, a new one for Fournier (or resign him) and full MLE to sign good bench players. Give the cap to either Lowry or Dragic. Trade Walker to NY for Mitchell Rob + 1 pick. Trade 1 pick + Pritchard (saying) to Sacto for Barnes (or for Jerami Grant= 2/3 picks + another young like Nesmith).
The core C : Lowry (or Dragic)-Brown-Tatum-Barnes-Timelord      Smart-Bradley-Nesmith (Langford)-Olynyk-Robinson

Plan D

This plan is more about half Armagedon. Separating the duo Tatum-Brown. Not believing in their complementary. Follow Jeff Goodman the Great. So I will just go to the Brown+ picks VS Beal proposition.But many other alternatives (KAT for Wrown + mult 1st). But we have to give the rest of TPE to sign him for the difference of salaries and we would be locked to unsign Fournier and whatever else but mins.
The core D : Walker-Beal-Langford-Tatum-Timelord            Pritchard-Smart-Nesmith-Parker-Thompson

Plan E

Armagedon lineup with Cunningham, tanking and multiple first for Brown and Tatum. Trade Tatum to Houston for Woods, Cunningham pick and multiple first. Trade Brown to GSW for Wiggins, Wieseman + multiple picks. Trade Smart, Walker, Thompson for whatever we get.



Of course every option can have variants and I may forgot many options. But on what is proposed, what is your choice at this day ?

[Celtics4ever]

I like plan C but not the players you list as solution

[Rikibellevie]

I like plan C but not the players you list as solution

Yes I realise we could have better than Bradley (or even take Bradley for min or Kanter TPE). Maybe Burks -but non Bird so I guess we can't ST- or Rose -who may take more- or Dunn, Ntilikina (...) ST instead of him with the rest of Hayward TPE and then Olynyk/Ibaka/Milsap with  MLE. But don't knowwhere we would be with luxuary, maybe too far. Whatever it is also my favorite option

[Csfan1984]

May I suggested Plan F

A player focused front office approach to mend the broken trust of C's "Trader Danny" era. The main goal to hit FA big when Walker's deal is up.

To do this means, no player that signed with the C's be it FA or Extension and is a good teammate will be traded unless the person request it. C's will honor all contracts.

Walker, Smart, JB, Tatum, TT, etc.. are all off trade discussions. You let guys play out their deals and simply don't resign guys. You may lose potential assets but you change the culture of aggressive trading of players that DA put in player's minds. You can move guys you drafted like TL but not guys that chose to be here.

C's with this plan build the trust back and reduce the cap to land the biggest FA that off season. Only patience and player development is what the team needs to build a super team.

[Rikibellevie]

May I suggested Plan F

A player focused front office approach to mend the broken trust of C's "Trader Danny" era. The main goal to hit FA big when Walker's deal is up.

To do this means, no player that signed with the C's be it FA or Extension and is a good teammate will be traded unless the person request it. C's will honor all contracts.

Walker, Smart, JB, Tatum, TT, etc.. are all off trade discussions. You let guys play out their deals and simply don't resign guys. You may lose potential assets but you change the culture of aggressive trading of players that DA put in player's minds. You can move guys you drafted like TL but not guys that chose to be here.

C's with this plan build the trust back and reduce the cap to land the biggest FA that off season. Only patience and player development is what the team needs to build a super team.

So it is plan A with a more developed point of view.... 
Whatever it is not the final roster that we can preview as I did; but more knowing if : A we want to build the longway and the longshot with 2023 Free Agency B try to trade Kemba and find assets with the trade C to trade Kemba to unload his contract  Thompson to go to FA and get back little extra marge D Break the Tatum duo and trade Jaylen E Trade everyone for picks and full rebuild.

[Csfan1984]

May I suggested Plan F

A player focused front office approach to mend the broken trust of C's "Trader Danny" era. The main goal to hit FA big when Walker's deal is up.

To do this means, no player that signed with the C's be it FA or Extension and is a good teammate will be traded unless the person request it. C's will honor all contracts.

Walker, Smart, JB, Tatum, TT, etc.. are all off trade discussions. You let guys play out their deals and simply don't resign guys. You may lose potential assets but you change the culture of aggressive trading of players that DA put in player's minds. You can move guys you drafted like TL but not guys that chose to be here.

C's with this plan build the trust back and reduce the cap to land the biggest FA that off season. Only patience and player development is what the team needs to build a super team.

So it is plan A with a more developed point of view.... 
Whatever it is not the final roster that we can preview as I did; but more knowing if : A we want to build the longway and the longshot with 2023 Free Agency B try to trade Kemba and find assets with the trade C to trade Kemba to unload his contract  Thompson to go to FA and get back little extra marge D Break the Tatum duo and trade Jaylen E Trade everyone for picks and full rebuild.

Plan F requires you don't resign Fournier unless it's a two year deal. You don't resign Smart. You may have to flip TL for future 1st to push salary. Kemba is 100% picking up his $37 million dollar option, you are looking at 2024 FA. Towns, Booker, Jamal Murray, Dej Murray and Sabonis are all UFA agents. All would look great next to the Jays as a big three and super team.

[Vermont Green]

Plan A is fine, and the most likely, at least to start the season.  It doesn't solve any of our current problems (in particular our lack of 1 good big) but there are ways to deal with that in season.

Plan B1 assumes a trade with Chicago for Walker and no resigning Fournier.  I like that outcome for sure if you can do it.  I feel that would be a good team albeit hard-capped.

Plan B2 is similar but the Walker trade is with LAC.  Our PF become Morris over Collins, Beverley adds some depth, and we aren't hard capped.

Plan C is trading Walker to NYK and not taking much back, allowing us to sign Lowry.  I like that but I am not sure it is likely an I am not that high on Barnes.

Plan D, I rather keep Brown.  Now if the trade is for Towns, an actual position of need, than I look at this differently.  But swapping Brown for Beal to me is not worth it.

Plan E, No way I trade Tatum for anything right now.  They are not going to blow up this team for picks and prospects.  I would hate it if they did this.

I voted B1, but with the caveat that this will create some hard cap issues.  I like the future though with this path.  Collins becomes our Chris Bosh.  It is a great foundation of young players with Tatum, Brown, Collins.

[PhoSita]

You lost me at "Jeff Goodman the Great"


I don't think any of the proposed options is particularly realistic, to be honest.

If they're going to more or less run it back, I don't think all of the players you mentioned will still be around, because I don't believe they're going to pay the luxury tax bill to bring back the same group.

Most of the other options involve other teams giving up things without the Celtics giving up enough, or the Celtics giving up way too much (trading Tatum or Brown), or free agents taking far less money than they're likely to cost.

[slamtheking]

likeliest plan is A.  resign Fournier and run it back.  Hope health, practice and youth development solves a bulk of the team's issues.

Personally, I don't think this will be enough to get them climbing back to contender status.  I think a trade of Kemba, Smart and/or TT will be needed to add a reliable third prime player to Tatum and Brown.  I don't see a backcourt that starts Kemba and Smart as a good option.  Smart needs to come off the bench as does Fournier if Kemba is still here.  Smart's too unreliable on offense and Fournier is too unreliable on D.  Need a starter that can hold their own on both sides of the ball.  Perhaps Romeo or Nesmith take that step after the next training camp or POBS makes a move to acquire that player. 
Also need to get a big man that can stay healthy and can play respectable offense and defense.  If TL could stay healthy enough to give 30 minutes a game, this wouldn't be an issue but TT is woeful on offense and Kornet shouldn't be used except for spot minutes when a 3-shooting center would help in a matchup.

[Jvalin]

Plan W
Beverley - McCollum - Brown - Tatum - Ibaka

Plan X
Beverley - Brown - Tatum - Scottie Barnes - Ibaka

Plan Y (assuming the Rockets win the lottery)
Cunningham - Eric Gordon - Fournier - Tatum - Timelord

Plan Z
- Offer Fournier a 1-year contract.
- Trade Kemba for expirings.
- Decline Grant's team option.
- Let all our free agents walk in 2022 (including Smart, Fournier and Timelord).
- Dump Romeo for future pick(s) + cap relief.
- Stash our 2022 pick.

If my math is correct, we'd then have enough cap space to sign Bradley Beal next offseason (assuming he opts out of his contract). Long story short, we'd be left with Tatum, Brown, Beal, Nesmith, Pritchard, whomever we draft this year at #16, the MLE, the bi-annual and a bunch of minimum vets. We'd also have all our future picks intact. Would it be worth it? That's up to you to decide.

[Rikibellevie]

Plan W
Beverley - McCollum - Brown - Tatum - Ibaka

Plan X
Beverley - Brown - Tatum - Scottie Barnes - Ibaka

Plan Y (assuming the Rockets win the lottery)
Cunningham - Eric Gordon - Fournier - Tatum - Timelord

Plan Z
- Offer Fournier a 1-year contract.
- Trade Kemba for expirings.
- Decline Grant's team option.
- Let all our free agents walk in 2022 (including Smart, Fournier and Timelord).
- Dump Romeo for future pick(s) + cap relief.
- Stash our 2022 pick.

If my math is correct, we'd then have enough cap space to sign Bradley Beal next offseason (assuming he opts out of his contract). Long story short, we'd be left with Tatum, Brown, Beal, Nesmith, Pritchard, whomever we draft this year at #16, the MLE, the bi-annual and a bunch of minimum vets. We'd also have all our future picks intact. Would it be worth it? That's up to you to decide.

Don't know if your math are correct, but if your ancient greek is, I propose you to continue to list the poll with greek alphabet... To embrace all options.
 Or maybe cyrillic ? I think I have to do another poll to decide it.