Langford and Nesmith roles with the team

[RJ87]

not necessarily.  Walker and TT are still quality NBA players.  So's Smart who's the third option for a vet to be traded.   They're not players that have to be moved as salary dumps so if picks/youth are included in the deal it's likely because we're getting back a better player than who we're shipping out.

Walker is a useful NBA player when he's able to play. This year he wasn't able to play back to backs, and he's already missed a game in a very short playoff run. 

Walker has also shown that his scoring efficiency is very inconsistent now, and he has problems defensively against opponents with big guards / smart enough to pick on him. 

He's also got an enormous contract with multiple years left. 

Kemba is not a positive asset and will almost certainly require additional assets attached to move him.


Thompson is a decent player, but his play and production this season has by and large not been up to the level of what he's making.  He's overpaid, but will also be an expiring contract next season. 

I don't think it would be necessary to attach additional assets to Thompson to move him.  However, I don't think the Celts would get any player or pick of real value in return unless they were willing to take back a worse contract (ie multiple years remaining), or include other assets in the deal.

I disagree with your assessment regarding Walker - he hustles enough that he's at least a neutral on that end even if he's getting picked on by opposing teams while his offence has been climbing up to 'All-Starry' levels after starting the season in woeful form (after his first 10 games where he was dismal returning from injury, he averaged 20.2/5.2/4.1 on 58.8% TS in his next 33 games). This is a guy who can clearly produce like a typical top 30 player when he's healthy, and teams pay big money for players like him even if they have health issues (see Hayward).

Idk if Hayward is the best comparison. You can talk yourself into giving Hayward big money because his injuries were kind of flukey. But quick guards with knee issues over the age of 30 seems like a significantly bigger risk.

I do think there will be a market for Kemba, because any contract can be traded (I.e. John Wall). But the return is not going to be what most fans would like.

[tstorey_97]

I can't speak for Romeo as he doesn't have a three point shot.

I think that Nesmith can be one of our off the bench wings and his timing isn't too far behind the J's.

Nesmith can shoot threes thus, if there is some trade he would have value over Romeo.

Next year will be year two for Pritchard and Nesmith, but the following year, they get plenty of rotation minutes and could be impactful in the playoffs....maybe.

PG?
Brown
Tatum
PF?
Robert (which is wishful thinking, his injury thing is relentless)

If any player we've got solves the above? He gets traded except he's not worth much.

[PhoSita]

I'm fairly confident that both Langford and Nesmith will have meaningful roles on the team next season.  I think they make Smart, who I like a lot, more tradeable. Because he is pretty replaceable by either or both of those guys. Particularly by Langford.

If you think that Smart can be replaced by Langford as soon as next season then I sincerely question that you like Smart very much at all.

Setting aside the fact that Langford has never once evidenced one iota of the fire / attitude / competitiveness that Smart demonstrates.  There's a huge difference there in terms of attitude and on court presence. 

Langford also has a long, long way to go before he's going to be in a position to offer anything like the production Smart offers.


In short, there's a great deal more to providing on court value than having the tools to defend your man one on one.  We've seen Romeo have some exciting moments defending his individual matchup.  That's about it.

[flybono]

Bust.......

[hwangjini_1]

I'm fairly confident that both Langford and Nesmith will have meaningful roles on the team next season.  I think they make Smart, who I like a lot, more tradeable. Because he is pretty replaceable by either or both of those guys. Particularly by Langford.

If you think that Smart can be replaced by Langford as soon as next season then I sincerely question that you like Smart very much at all.

Setting aside the fact that Langford has never once evidenced one iota of the fire / attitude / competitiveness that Smart demonstrates.  There's a huge difference there in terms of attitude and on court presence. 

Langford also has a long, long way to go before he's going to be in a position to offer anything like the production Smart offers.


In short, there's a great deal more to providing on court value than having the tools to defend your man one on one.  We've seen Romeo have some exciting moments defending his individual matchup.  That's about it.

well, that is not what his teammates say about langford. they have remarked about how hard he works and how dedicated he is to being better.

by the way, tonight langford had 17 points, was 7-12, 1 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, and no turn overs. a nice game to end the seasons.

[footey]

I'm fairly confident that both Langford and Nesmith will have meaningful roles on the team next season.  I think they make Smart, who I like a lot, more tradeable. Because he is pretty replaceable by either or both of those guys. Particularly by Langford.

If you think that Smart can be replaced by Langford as soon as next season then I sincerely question that you like Smart very much at all.

Setting aside the fact that Langford has never once evidenced one iota of the fire / attitude / competitiveness that Smart demonstrates.  There's a huge difference there in terms of attitude and on court presence. 

Langford also has a long, long way to go before he's going to be in a position to offer anything like the production Smart offers.


In short, there's a great deal more to providing on court value than having the tools to defend your man one on one.  We've seen Romeo have some exciting moments defending his individual matchup.  That's about it.

I stand by what I said above. And I do like Smart. I think you undervalue Langford. For example tonight I would argue he played better than Smart. I feel Smart’s contract and defensive reputation could be the only valuable asset we have to trade for a power forward or play maker. I’d consider trading Smart for Rubio, for example.

[seancally]

I'm fairly confident that both Langford and Nesmith will have meaningful roles on the team next season.  I think they make Smart, who I like a lot, more tradeable. Because he is pretty replaceable by either or both of those guys. Particularly by Langford.

If you think that Smart can be replaced by Langford as soon as next season then I sincerely question that you like Smart very much at all.

Setting aside the fact that Langford has never once evidenced one iota of the fire / attitude / competitiveness that Smart demonstrates.  There's a huge difference there in terms of attitude and on court presence. 

Langford also has a long, long way to go before he's going to be in a position to offer anything like the production Smart offers.


In short, there's a great deal more to providing on court value than having the tools to defend your man one on one.  We've seen Romeo have some exciting moments defending his individual matchup.  That's about it.

I stand by what I said above. And I do like Smart. I think you undervalue Langford. For example tonight I would argue he played better than Smart. I feel Smart’s contract and defensive reputation could be the only valuable asset we have to trade for a power forward or play maker. I’d consider trading Smart for Rubio, for example.

Smart is overvalued by Celtics fans for his heart. But if Romeo is ready to be a 3-and-D wing with some slashing, you don’t need a guy like Smart. Plenty of other NBA teams who don’t have Smart have managed to have success. If smart is the key to the Celtics’ “success” that’s a problem.

[gouki88]

Langford was really good tonight. Impressed me

[liam]

Langford was really good tonight. Impressed me

Those guys are both going to be good, they are workers!

[Walker Wiggle]

Langford was really good tonight. Impressed me

Same here. Folks, Romeo is still 21 years old. It’s easy to forget. If he keeps working and can stay on the floor, he’s going to be a really useful player.

[gouki88]

Langford was really good tonight. Impressed me

Same here. Folks, Romeo is still 21 years old. It’s easy to forget. If he keeps working and can stay on the floor, he’s going to be a really useful player.

The 2 blocks and 2 steals alongside the 3s is what I really want to see. Defensive disruption and open shots

[Celtics2021]

Langford was really good tonight. Impressed me

Best game of his career, unquestionably.

[Somebody]

not necessarily.  Walker and TT are still quality NBA players.  So's Smart who's the third option for a vet to be traded.   They're not players that have to be moved as salary dumps so if picks/youth are included in the deal it's likely because we're getting back a better player than who we're shipping out.

Walker is a useful NBA player when he's able to play. This year he wasn't able to play back to backs, and he's already missed a game in a very short playoff run. 

Walker has also shown that his scoring efficiency is very inconsistent now, and he has problems defensively against opponents with big guards / smart enough to pick on him. 

He's also got an enormous contract with multiple years left. 

Kemba is not a positive asset and will almost certainly require additional assets attached to move him.


Thompson is a decent player, but his play and production this season has by and large not been up to the level of what he's making.  He's overpaid, but will also be an expiring contract next season. 

I don't think it would be necessary to attach additional assets to Thompson to move him.  However, I don't think the Celts would get any player or pick of real value in return unless they were willing to take back a worse contract (ie multiple years remaining), or include other assets in the deal.

I disagree with your assessment regarding Walker - he hustles enough that he's at least a neutral on that end even if he's getting picked on by opposing teams while his offence has been climbing up to 'All-Starry' levels after starting the season in woeful form (after his first 10 games where he was dismal returning from injury, he averaged 20.2/5.2/4.1 on 58.8% TS in his next 33 games). This is a guy who can clearly produce like a typical top 30 player when he's healthy, and teams pay big money for players like him even if they have health issues (see Hayward).

Idk if Hayward is the best comparison. You can talk yourself into giving Hayward big money because his injuries were kind of flukey. But quick guards with knee issues over the age of 30 seems like a significantly bigger risk.

I do think there will be a market for Kemba, because any contract can be traded (I.e. John Wall). But the return is not going to be what most fans would like.

To be fair his knee issues are manageable as long as you take care of him in the regular season (the knee bruise he sustained this playoffs can also be chalked up as a fluke, it had nothing to do with his previous injury), knee arthritis is significantly different from a ligament tear for a quick guard.

[bopna]

Langford was really good tonight. Impressed me

Best game of his career, unquestionably.

That block on Harden's drive was beautiful. And James is one tough player to guard.

I have been saying all this time that Langford is a bust as his play has not lived up to his draft slot...but if he continues to stay out of the injury bug and he develops his 3 and D thing, he may have  an AB type future in this league i suppose.

[Sophomore]

Langford was really good tonight. Impressed me

Best game of his career, unquestionably.

That block on Harden's drive was beautiful. And James is one tough player to guard.

I have been saying all this time that Langford is a bust as his play has not lived up to his draft slot...but if he continues to stay out of the injury bug and he develops his 3 and D thing, he may have  an AB type future in this league i suppose.

Better than Bradley. Romeo's longer. If he stays healthy and builds his strength he will be a plus-to-elite wing defender. He's also got potential to be a secondary playmaker.

What he needs (desperately) is an offseason of skill building and then a full camp.