Cavs and Celts trade idea

[Rikibellevie]

This nonsense trade proposition has one vertue, to remain that Cavs are in a much more diffiult rebuilding situation, don't have at all our potential and have baddest contract... And it could be worse if we hadn't trade for this dumb Irving, as we would have there only big potential guy in Sexton (or even better SGA). But this makes me sad again... So I prefer to see there team full of problems. Ha reassure myself with the problems of others... Human nature... Ho [dang], looking at the poor myself, it makes me sad again. Its a wheel

[Vermont Green]

The original trade doesn't make any sense to me.  I don't see why Cleveland would trade their bad contract for an even higher cost bad contract.  If I am the Celtics, I would rather have Kemba over Love straight up although Love does play more of a position of need for us (assuming he is actually on the court).

The Knicks variation does make some sense.  I could see the Knicks willing to bring in Kemba although with Rose playing so well, less so than earlier.  I would be OK probably with getting Sexton and Love for Kemba, depends a lot on Love's physical condition which I don't know.  He only played 25 games this season and his production is way down but is the expectation that at 32 years old, he can bounce back for a couple of seasons?

[Birdman]

Cavs wouldn’t do this

[Tr1boy]

The original trade doesn't make any sense to me.  I don't see why Cleveland would trade their bad contract for an even higher cost bad contract.  If I am the Celtics, I would rather have Kemba over Love straight up although Love does play more of a position of need for us (assuming he is actually on the court).

The Knicks variation does make some sense.  I could see the Knicks willing to bring in Kemba although with Rose playing so well, less so than earlier.  I would be OK probably with getting Sexton and Love for Kemba, depends a lot on Love's physical condition which I don't know.  He only played 25 games this season and his production is way down but is the expectation that at 32 years old, he can bounce back for a couple of seasons?

Why would Cavs trade Sexton for Walker?.. you make it sound like, then it becomes a fair deal

Walker is not the same player he once was. Could be managing knee issues the rest of the way

What Cavs would care more about is the 1st. Or another asset.   The love and walker tradreoff is one large contract offload for another

IF Celts wanted to offload Walker.. I do believe Love would be a better fit for the Jays. 

He is a big 3 pt target that can get hot in a hurry.  Provide more spacing

He is 32 and in and out of the lineup for the Cavs to probably just hide him and give the younger players a longer look.  For a guy that didnt play a ton, he looks like he is in good shape. Not reverting back to UCLA chubby state

I would prefer to have Love over Walker on the team.  Otherwise no Walker and take a different route. 

Like some have already stated, Walker has a negative value.  Even throwing in a late 1st....how many teams have large bad contracts to match? 

Otto Porter for Walker (if it was available)... would have been a painless way to offload the large contract

[Vermont Green]

The original trade doesn't make any sense to me.  I don't see why Cleveland would trade their bad contract for an even higher cost bad contract.  If I am the Celtics, I would rather have Kemba over Love straight up although Love does play more of a position of need for us (assuming he is actually on the court).

The Knicks variation does make some sense.  I could see the Knicks willing to bring in Kemba although with Rose playing so well, less so than earlier.  I would be OK probably with getting Sexton and Love for Kemba, depends a lot on Love's physical condition which I don't know.  He only played 25 games this season and his production is way down but is the expectation that at 32 years old, he can bounce back for a couple of seasons?

Why would Cavs trade Sexton for Walker?.. you make it sound like, then it becomes a fair deal

Walker is not the same player he once was. Could be managing knee issues the rest of the way

What Cavs would care more about is the 1st. Or another asset.   The love and walker tradreoff is one large contract offload for another

IF Celts wanted to offload Walker.. I do believe Love woule be a better fit for the Jays

He is big a 3 pt target that can get hot in a hurry.  Provide more spacing

He is 32 and in and out of the lineup for the Cavs to probably just hide him and give the younger players a longer look.  For a guy that didnt play a ton, he looks like he is in good shape. Not reverting back to UCLA chubby state

I would prefer to have Love over Walker on the team.  Otherwise no Walker and go a different route. 

Like some have already stated, Walker has a negative value.  Even throwing in a late 1st, which teams have large bad contracts to match?

Point 1, all I said is the Knicks would be more interested in Kemba than the Cavs and assuming Love is still able to play, that I would do the deal which included Sexton based on another poster's suggestion that he has worn out his welcome in Cleveland.

As to Love, I am not a big fan.  If healthy and able to play, he can probably give you 17 pts, 9 rebs or something like that.  Kemba with the same if healthy caveat, maybe 20 pts and 5 assists.  Kemba probably plays better defense for his position than Love.  This season, Kemba played more games and was overall healthier and more productive.  So based on all of this, I would rather keep Kemba vs. a straight up trade for Love.

[Tr1boy]

The original trade doesn't make any sense to me.  I don't see why Cleveland would trade their bad contract for an even higher cost bad contract.  If I am the Celtics, I would rather have Kemba over Love straight up although Love does play more of a position of need for us (assuming he is actually on the court).

The Knicks variation does make some sense.  I could see the Knicks willing to bring in Kemba although with Rose playing so well, less so than earlier.  I would be OK probably with getting Sexton and Love for Kemba, depends a lot on Love's physical condition which I don't know.  He only played 25 games this season and his production is way down but is the expectation that at 32 years old, he can bounce back for a couple of seasons?

Why would Cavs trade Sexton for Walker?.. you make it sound like, then it becomes a fair deal

Walker is not the same player he once was. Could be managing knee issues the rest of the way

What Cavs would care more about is the 1st. Or another asset.   The love and walker tradreoff is one large contract offload for another

IF Celts wanted to offload Walker.. I do believe Love woule be a better fit for the Jays

He is big a 3 pt target that can get hot in a hurry.  Provide more spacing

He is 32 and in and out of the lineup for the Cavs to probably just hide him and give the younger players a longer look.  For a guy that didnt play a ton, he looks like he is in good shape. Not reverting back to UCLA chubby state

I would prefer to have Love over Walker on the team.  Otherwise no Walker and go a different route. 

Like some have already stated, Walker has a negative value.  Even throwing in a late 1st, which teams have large bad contracts to match?

Point 1, all I said is the Knicks would be more interested in Kemba than the Cavs and assuming Love is still able to play, that I would do the deal which included Sexton based on another poster's suggestion that he has worn out his welcome in Cleveland.

As to Love, I am not a big fan.  If healthy and able to play, he can probably give you 17 pts, 9 rebs or something like that.  Kemba with the same if healthy caveat, maybe 20 pts and 5 assists.  Kemba probably plays better defense for his position than Love.  This season, Kemba played more games and was overall healthier and more productive.  So based on all of this, I would rather keep Kemba vs. a straight up trade for Love.

Kemba plays better D for his position??  Outside of taking some charges... what does Walker provide you on the D end??

Teams try to switch onto Walker on purpose.  He is limited. Even more than Waters, who can at least steal and full court press

Walker puts in the effort but he is extremely limited

Love is a large mobile PF. And a solid rebounder.    Provides more size and versatility on D end. 

[Vermont Green]

The original trade doesn't make any sense to me.  I don't see why Cleveland would trade their bad contract for an even higher cost bad contract.  If I am the Celtics, I would rather have Kemba over Love straight up although Love does play more of a position of need for us (assuming he is actually on the court).

The Knicks variation does make some sense.  I could see the Knicks willing to bring in Kemba although with Rose playing so well, less so than earlier.  I would be OK probably with getting Sexton and Love for Kemba, depends a lot on Love's physical condition which I don't know.  He only played 25 games this season and his production is way down but is the expectation that at 32 years old, he can bounce back for a couple of seasons?

Why would Cavs trade Sexton for Walker?.. you make it sound like, then it becomes a fair deal

Walker is not the same player he once was. Could be managing knee issues the rest of the way

What Cavs would care more about is the 1st. Or another asset.   The love and walker tradreoff is one large contract offload for another

IF Celts wanted to offload Walker.. I do believe Love woule be a better fit for the Jays

He is big a 3 pt target that can get hot in a hurry.  Provide more spacing

He is 32 and in and out of the lineup for the Cavs to probably just hide him and give the younger players a longer look.  For a guy that didnt play a ton, he looks like he is in good shape. Not reverting back to UCLA chubby state

I would prefer to have Love over Walker on the team.  Otherwise no Walker and go a different route. 

Like some have already stated, Walker has a negative value.  Even throwing in a late 1st, which teams have large bad contracts to match?

Point 1, all I said is the Knicks would be more interested in Kemba than the Cavs and assuming Love is still able to play, that I would do the deal which included Sexton based on another poster's suggestion that he has worn out his welcome in Cleveland.

As to Love, I am not a big fan.  If healthy and able to play, he can probably give you 17 pts, 9 rebs or something like that.  Kemba with the same if healthy caveat, maybe 20 pts and 5 assists.  Kemba probably plays better defense for his position than Love.  This season, Kemba played more games and was overall healthier and more productive.  So based on all of this, I would rather keep Kemba vs. a straight up trade for Love.

Kemba plays better D for his position??  Outside of taking some charges... what does Walker provide you on the D end??

Teams try to switch onto Walker on purpose.  He is limited. Even more than Waters, who can at least steal and full court press

Walker puts in the effort but he is extremely limited

Love is a large mobile PF. And a solid rebounder.    Provides more size and versatility on D end.

Yes, I believe that Walker defends other PGs better than Love defends other PFs.  Neither is great, Love is just worse.  Now once switching starts, Walker can be abused by bigger players but Love can be taken by quicker players on switches.  I do not believe that our overall defense will improve with Love over Walker.

Yes, Love is a legit PF who can shoot.  That is a need.  Walker is a scoring PG who can average 20 ppg.  I feel Walker has more value than Love.

[Tr1boy]

The original trade doesn't make any sense to me.  I don't see why Cleveland would trade their bad contract for an even higher cost bad contract.  If I am the Celtics, I would rather have Kemba over Love straight up although Love does play more of a position of need for us (assuming he is actually on the court).

The Knicks variation does make some sense.  I could see the Knicks willing to bring in Kemba although with Rose playing so well, less so than earlier.  I would be OK probably with getting Sexton and Love for Kemba, depends a lot on Love's physical condition which I don't know.  He only played 25 games this season and his production is way down but is the expectation that at 32 years old, he can bounce back for a couple of seasons?

Why would Cavs trade Sexton for Walker?.. you make it sound like, then it becomes a fair deal

Walker is not the same player he once was. Could be managing knee issues the rest of the way

What Cavs would care more about is the 1st. Or another asset.   The love and walker tradreoff is one large contract offload for another

IF Celts wanted to offload Walker.. I do believe Love woule be a better fit for the Jays

He is big a 3 pt target that can get hot in a hurry.  Provide more spacing

He is 32 and in and out of the lineup for the Cavs to probably just hide him and give the younger players a longer look.  For a guy that didnt play a ton, he looks like he is in good shape. Not reverting back to UCLA chubby state

I would prefer to have Love over Walker on the team.  Otherwise no Walker and go a different route. 

Like some have already stated, Walker has a negative value.  Even throwing in a late 1st, which teams have large bad contracts to match?

Point 1, all I said is the Knicks would be more interested in Kemba than the Cavs and assuming Love is still able to play, that I would do the deal which included Sexton based on another poster's suggestion that he has worn out his welcome in Cleveland.

As to Love, I am not a big fan.  If healthy and able to play, he can probably give you 17 pts, 9 rebs or something like that.  Kemba with the same if healthy caveat, maybe 20 pts and 5 assists.  Kemba probably plays better defense for his position than Love.  This season, Kemba played more games and was overall healthier and more productive.  So based on all of this, I would rather keep Kemba vs. a straight up trade for Love.

Kemba plays better D for his position??  Outside of taking some charges... what does Walker provide you on the D end??

Teams try to switch onto Walker on purpose.  He is limited. Even more than Waters, who can at least steal and full court press

Walker puts in the effort but he is extremely limited

Love is a large mobile PF. And a solid rebounder.    Provides more size and versatility on D end.

Yes, I believe that Walker defends other PGs better than Love defends other PFs.  Neither is great, Love is just worse.  Now once switching starts, Walker can be abused by bigger players but Love can be taken by quicker players on switches.  I do not believe that our overall defense will improve with Love over Walker.

Yes, Love is a legit PF who can shoot.  That is a need.  Walker is a scoring PG who can average 20 ppg.  I feel Walker has more value than Love.

neither are amazing defenders as you point out.  But size is more of a premium, since teams don't have the luxury to switch (adv)  unlike they can vs someone like Walker

Walker is a shoot 1st small SG that needs to ball in his hands to be effective.  He is a volume scorer. And now a streaky one, because of his health/reduction of explosiveness   

Celts already have Tatum, Brown to do these things

Love is a nice supplementary piece.   He is a big target. A solid 3 point shooter that can get hot quickly.    Pretty underrated passer and ball handler for his size

tbh at this stage of his career, he would just need to focus on hitting his 3s, spacing the floor and providing solid effort on the D end. 

TL
Love
Tatum
Brown
Smart

Would be an interesting mix imo.  TL can bail out Love at times. And Love can bodyup the likes of Nurkic, Valenciunas on the D end, instead of forcing TL to do it.

[gouki88]

The original trade doesn't make any sense to me.  I don't see why Cleveland would trade their bad contract for an even higher cost bad contract.  If I am the Celtics, I would rather have Kemba over Love straight up although Love does play more of a position of need for us (assuming he is actually on the court).

The Knicks variation does make some sense.  I could see the Knicks willing to bring in Kemba although with Rose playing so well, less so than earlier.  I would be OK probably with getting Sexton and Love for Kemba, depends a lot on Love's physical condition which I don't know.  He only played 25 games this season and his production is way down but is the expectation that at 32 years old, he can bounce back for a couple of seasons?

Why would Cavs trade Sexton for Walker?.. you make it sound like, then it becomes a fair deal

Walker is not the same player he once was. Could be managing knee issues the rest of the way

What Cavs would care more about is the 1st. Or another asset.   The love and walker tradreoff is one large contract offload for another

IF Celts wanted to offload Walker.. I do believe Love woule be a better fit for the Jays

He is big a 3 pt target that can get hot in a hurry.  Provide more spacing

He is 32 and in and out of the lineup for the Cavs to probably just hide him and give the younger players a longer look.  For a guy that didnt play a ton, he looks like he is in good shape. Not reverting back to UCLA chubby state

I would prefer to have Love over Walker on the team.  Otherwise no Walker and go a different route. 

Like some have already stated, Walker has a negative value.  Even throwing in a late 1st, which teams have large bad contracts to match?

Point 1, all I said is the Knicks would be more interested in Kemba than the Cavs and assuming Love is still able to play, that I would do the deal which included Sexton based on another poster's suggestion that he has worn out his welcome in Cleveland.

As to Love, I am not a big fan.  If healthy and able to play, he can probably give you 17 pts, 9 rebs or something like that.  Kemba with the same if healthy caveat, maybe 20 pts and 5 assists.  Kemba probably plays better defense for his position than Love.  This season, Kemba played more games and was overall healthier and more productive.  So based on all of this, I would rather keep Kemba vs. a straight up trade for Love.

Kemba plays better D for his position??  Outside of taking some charges... what does Walker provide you on the D end??

Teams try to switch onto Walker on purpose.  He is limited. Even more than Waters, who can at least steal and full court press

Walker puts in the effort but he is extremely limited

Love is a large mobile PF. And a solid rebounder.    Provides more size and versatility on D end.

Hahahaha. Surely you don't actually believe this??

Walker is a much better defender than Love

[Tr1boy]

The original trade doesn't make any sense to me.  I don't see why Cleveland would trade their bad contract for an even higher cost bad contract.  If I am the Celtics, I would rather have Kemba over Love straight up although Love does play more of a position of need for us (assuming he is actually on the court).

The Knicks variation does make some sense.  I could see the Knicks willing to bring in Kemba although with Rose playing so well, less so than earlier.  I would be OK probably with getting Sexton and Love for Kemba, depends a lot on Love's physical condition which I don't know.  He only played 25 games this season and his production is way down but is the expectation that at 32 years old, he can bounce back for a couple of seasons?

Why would Cavs trade Sexton for Walker?.. you make it sound like, then it becomes a fair deal

Walker is not the same player he once was. Could be managing knee issues the rest of the way

What Cavs would care more about is the 1st. Or another asset.   The love and walker tradreoff is one large contract offload for another

IF Celts wanted to offload Walker.. I do believe Love woule be a better fit for the Jays

He is big a 3 pt target that can get hot in a hurry.  Provide more spacing

He is 32 and in and out of the lineup for the Cavs to probably just hide him and give the younger players a longer look.  For a guy that didnt play a ton, he looks like he is in good shape. Not reverting back to UCLA chubby state

I would prefer to have Love over Walker on the team.  Otherwise no Walker and go a different route. 

Like some have already stated, Walker has a negative value.  Even throwing in a late 1st, which teams have large bad contracts to match?

Point 1, all I said is the Knicks would be more interested in Kemba than the Cavs and assuming Love is still able to play, that I would do the deal which included Sexton based on another poster's suggestion that he has worn out his welcome in Cleveland.

As to Love, I am not a big fan.  If healthy and able to play, he can probably give you 17 pts, 9 rebs or something like that.  Kemba with the same if healthy caveat, maybe 20 pts and 5 assists.  Kemba probably plays better defense for his position than Love.  This season, Kemba played more games and was overall healthier and more productive.  So based on all of this, I would rather keep Kemba vs. a straight up trade for Love.

Kemba plays better D for his position??  Outside of taking some charges... what does Walker provide you on the D end??

Teams try to switch onto Walker on purpose.  He is limited. Even more than Waters, who can at least steal and full court press

Walker puts in the effort but he is extremely limited

Love is a large mobile PF. And a solid rebounder.    Provides more size and versatility on D end.

Hahahaha. Surely you don't actually believe this??

Walker is a much better defender than Love

They are both limited. I rather have size.  Love can at least rebound the ball

Love or similar would be a better fit with the Jays.

Thats the main argument

[Celtics4ever]

It would be trading a washed up G for a washed up PF

[nickagneta]

It would be trading a washed up G for a washed up PF

I wasn't aware that washed up guards could still put up 19 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.1 steals a game while leading the league in charges drawn and scoring at a league average efficiency.

[gouki88]

It would be trading a washed up G for a washed up PF

I wasn't aware that washed up guards could still put up 19 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.1 steals a game while leading the league in charges drawn and scoring at a league average efficiency.

It's in fact exactly what we signed up for