The All-In Blockbuster Trade: Barnes & Collins

[GreenlyGreeny]

BOS In: Collins, Barnes, Horford, Hill
BOS Out: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Edwards, ‘21 1st, ‘23 1st, ‘25 1st, ‘21 2nd, ‘22 2nd, OKC ‘21 2nd (heavily protected), Hayward TPE

Why we do it: Plenty of other threads explain why we want/need Barnes and Collins as starters. This may be the price considering there are many other bidders for their services. Moving Kemba and R. Williams for Horford and Hill has been written about elsewhere, too, and you’ll see below why TT and G. Williams are added to the mix (i.e., sweeten the pot for Sacramento). If we’re going to be offering a max to Collins, we obviously need to remove Kemba’s max considering cap ramifications in 2022-2023.

ATL In: BOS ‘23 1st, BOS ‘25 1st, Langford, Nesmith
ATL Out: Collins

Why they do it: Collins is reportedly unhappy paired with Young, so this enables them to get two unprotected firsts (if they’re betting against us doing anything in 3-4 years, makes sense) and two recent lottery picks who are heavily cost-controlled. Hard to see folks outbidding us unless someone has a definite 2021 lottery pick to throw at Atlanta.

OKC In: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, G. Williams, Edwards, OKC ‘21 2nd
OKC Out: Horford, Hill, GSW ‘21 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd)

Why they do it: Move Horford and Hill for pieces they can more easily trade for picks in the off-season/next year, or perhaps build around in R. Williams’ case (or deal TT to a playoff contender now, but probably have him replace Horford the rest of this year).

SAC In: ‘21 BOS 1st, ‘21 GSW 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd), ‘21 BOS 2nd, ‘22 BOS 2nd, Hayward TPE
SAC
SAC Out: Barnes

Why they do it: Much better haul than they sent out to get Barnes and they suddenly save $22 million in cap space in a very tight revenue year. Signals to Fox and Haliburton that this is their team, too (separately, would be unsurprised if Hield is also moved somewhere east). We may be able to outbid anybody with just one 2nd rounder on top of the first rounders, but hard to say.

Our roster and remaining draft picks:

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Barnes/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis
Collins/Horford

Or maybe

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Tatum/Barnes
Collins/Theis/Ojeyele
Horford

When the Pistons buy-out Griffin any day now, bring him in as our backup PF and Theis can relieve Ojeyele in the ten-man rotation. Sign a ring-chasing vet, or trade a 2nd rounder with the Kanter TPE for Ellington, to get to 14 men in a couple weeks.

Remaining picks (at least one pick every year except 2021, but remember that Yam Madar is coming):

‘22 1st
‘23 2nd
‘24 1st
‘25 2nd
‘25 MEM 2nd
All picks in 2026-beyond

Note: Maybe ‘21 2nd or ‘22 2nd (see commentary in Barnes trade explanation)

https://tradenba.com/trades/XTmf2kiJr

Only increases us by less than $7 mil., so no luxury issues this year.

Thoughts? Comments?

[slamtheking]

BOS In: Collins, Barnes, Horford, Hill
BOS Out: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Edwards, ‘21 1st, ‘23 1st, ‘25 1st, ‘21 2nd, ‘22 2nd, OKC ‘21 2nd (heavily protected), Hayward TPE

Why we do it: Plenty of other threads explain why we want/need Barnes and Collins as starters. This may be the price considering there are many other bidders for their services. Moving Kemba and R. Williams for Horford and Hill has been written about elsewhere, too, and you’ll see below why TT and G. Williams are added to the mix (i.e., sweeten the pot for Sacramento). If we’re going to be offering a max to Collins, we obviously need to remove Kemba’s max considering cap ramifications in 2022-2023.

ATL In: BOS ‘23 1st, BOS ‘25 1st, Langford, Nesmith
ATL Out: Collins

Why they do it: Collins is reportedly unhappy paired with Young, so this enables them to get two unprotected firsts (if they’re betting against us doing anything in 3-4 years, makes sense) and two recent lottery picks who are heavily cost-controlled. Hard to see folks outbidding us unless someone has a definite 2021 lottery pick to throw at Atlanta.

OKC In: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, G. Williams, Edwards, OKC ‘21 2nd
OKC Out: Horford, Hill, GSW ‘21 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd)

Why they do it: Move Horford and Hill for pieces they can more easily trade for picks in the off-season/next year, or perhaps build around in R. Williams’ case (or deal TT to a playoff contender now, but probably have him replace Horford the rest of this year).

SAC In: ‘21 BOS 1st, ‘21 GSW 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd), ‘21 BOS 2nd, ‘22 BOS 2nd, Hayward TPE
SAC
SAC Out: Barnes

Why they do it: Much better haul than they sent out to get Barnes and they suddenly save $22 million in cap space in a very tight revenue year. Signals to Fox and Haliburton that this is their team, too (separately, would be unsurprised if Hield is also moved somewhere east). We may be able to outbid anybody with just one 2nd rounder on top of the first rounders, but hard to say.

Our roster and remaining draft picks:

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Barnes/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis
Collins/Horford

Or maybe

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Tatum/Barnes
Collins/Theis/Ojeyele
Horford

When the Pistons buy-out Griffin any day now, bring him in as our backup PF and Theis can relieve Ojeyele in the ten-man rotation. Sign a ring-chasing vet, or trade a 2nd rounder with the Kanter TPE for Ellington, to get to 14 men in a couple weeks.

Remaining picks (at least one pick every year except 2021, but remember that Yam Madar is coming):

‘22 1st
‘23 2nd
‘24 1st
‘25 2nd
‘25 MEM 2nd
All picks in 2026-beyond

Note: Maybe ‘21 2nd or ‘22 2nd (see commentary in Barnes trade explanation)

https://tradenba.com/trades/XTmf2kiJr

Only increases us by less than $7 mil., so no luxury issues this year.

Thoughts? Comments?

only by you in the million other 'trade for Horford' threads you've created

[gouki88]

BOS In: Collins, Barnes, Horford, Hill
BOS Out: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Edwards, ‘21 1st, ‘23 1st, ‘25 1st, ‘21 2nd, ‘22 2nd, OKC ‘21 2nd (heavily protected), Hayward TPE

Why we do it: Plenty of other threads explain why we want/need Barnes and Collins as starters. This may be the price considering there are many other bidders for their services. Moving Kemba and R. Williams for Horford and Hill has been written about elsewhere, too, and you’ll see below why TT and G. Williams are added to the mix (i.e., sweeten the pot for Sacramento). If we’re going to be offering a max to Collins, we obviously need to remove Kemba’s max considering cap ramifications in 2022-2023.

ATL In: BOS ‘23 1st, BOS ‘25 1st, Langford, Nesmith
ATL Out: Collins

Why they do it: Collins is reportedly unhappy paired with Young, so this enables them to get two unprotected firsts (if they’re betting against us doing anything in 3-4 years, makes sense) and two recent lottery picks who are heavily cost-controlled. Hard to see folks outbidding us unless someone has a definite 2021 lottery pick to throw at Atlanta.

OKC In: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, G. Williams, Edwards, OKC ‘21 2nd
OKC Out: Horford, Hill, GSW ‘21 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd)

Why they do it: Move Horford and Hill for pieces they can more easily trade for picks in the off-season/next year, or perhaps build around in R. Williams’ case (or deal TT to a playoff contender now, but probably have him replace Horford the rest of this year).

SAC In: ‘21 BOS 1st, ‘21 GSW 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd), ‘21 BOS 2nd, ‘22 BOS 2nd, Hayward TPE
SAC
SAC Out: Barnes

Why they do it: Much better haul than they sent out to get Barnes and they suddenly save $22 million in cap space in a very tight revenue year. Signals to Fox and Haliburton that this is their team, too (separately, would be unsurprised if Hield is also moved somewhere east). We may be able to outbid anybody with just one 2nd rounder on top of the first rounders, but hard to say.

Our roster and remaining draft picks:

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Barnes/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis
Collins/Horford

Or maybe

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Tatum/Barnes
Collins/Theis/Ojeyele
Horford

When the Pistons buy-out Griffin any day now, bring him in as our backup PF and Theis can relieve Ojeyele in the ten-man rotation. Sign a ring-chasing vet, or trade a 2nd rounder with the Kanter TPE for Ellington, to get to 14 men in a couple weeks.

Remaining picks (at least one pick every year except 2021, but remember that Yam Madar is coming):

‘22 1st
‘23 2nd
‘24 1st
‘25 2nd
‘25 MEM 2nd
All picks in 2026-beyond

Note: Maybe ‘21 2nd or ‘22 2nd (see commentary in Barnes trade explanation)

https://tradenba.com/trades/XTmf2kiJr

Only increases us by less than $7 mil., so no luxury issues this year.

Thoughts? Comments?

only by you in the million other 'trade for Horford' threads you've created

Hahahahah

[GreenlyGreeny]

BOS In: Collins, Barnes, Horford, Hill
BOS Out: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Edwards, ‘21 1st, ‘23 1st, ‘25 1st, ‘21 2nd, ‘22 2nd, OKC ‘21 2nd (heavily protected), Hayward TPE

Why we do it: Plenty of other threads explain why we want/need Barnes and Collins as starters. This may be the price considering there are many other bidders for their services. Moving Kemba and R. Williams for Horford and Hill has been written about elsewhere, too, and you’ll see below why TT and G. Williams are added to the mix (i.e., sweeten the pot for Sacramento). If we’re going to be offering a max to Collins, we obviously need to remove Kemba’s max considering cap ramifications in 2022-2023.

ATL In: BOS ‘23 1st, BOS ‘25 1st, Langford, Nesmith
ATL Out: Collins

Why they do it: Collins is reportedly unhappy paired with Young, so this enables them to get two unprotected firsts (if they’re betting against us doing anything in 3-4 years, makes sense) and two recent lottery picks who are heavily cost-controlled. Hard to see folks outbidding us unless someone has a definite 2021 lottery pick to throw at Atlanta.

OKC In: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, G. Williams, Edwards, OKC ‘21 2nd
OKC Out: Horford, Hill, GSW ‘21 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd)

Why they do it: Move Horford and Hill for pieces they can more easily trade for picks in the off-season/next year, or perhaps build around in R. Williams’ case (or deal TT to a playoff contender now, but probably have him replace Horford the rest of this year).

SAC In: ‘21 BOS 1st, ‘21 GSW 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd), ‘21 BOS 2nd, ‘22 BOS 2nd, Hayward TPE
SAC
SAC Out: Barnes

Why they do it: Much better haul than they sent out to get Barnes and they suddenly save $22 million in cap space in a very tight revenue year. Signals to Fox and Haliburton that this is their team, too (separately, would be unsurprised if Hield is also moved somewhere east). We may be able to outbid anybody with just one 2nd rounder on top of the first rounders, but hard to say.

Our roster and remaining draft picks:

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Barnes/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis
Collins/Horford

Or maybe

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Tatum/Barnes
Collins/Theis/Ojeyele
Horford

When the Pistons buy-out Griffin any day now, bring him in as our backup PF and Theis can relieve Ojeyele in the ten-man rotation. Sign a ring-chasing vet, or trade a 2nd rounder with the Kanter TPE for Ellington, to get to 14 men in a couple weeks.

Remaining picks (at least one pick every year except 2021, but remember that Yam Madar is coming):

‘22 1st
‘23 2nd
‘24 1st
‘25 2nd
‘25 MEM 2nd
All picks in 2026-beyond

Note: Maybe ‘21 2nd or ‘22 2nd (see commentary in Barnes trade explanation)

https://tradenba.com/trades/XTmf2kiJr

Only increases us by less than $7 mil., so no luxury issues this year.

Thoughts? Comments?

only by you in the million other 'trade for Horford' threads you've created

Haha well, I miss big Al and think we can get more out of him this year and next than we can out of Kemba. Other than Smart, he was my favorite Celtic 2016-2019.

Anyway, here’s a possible way to get Collins and Barnes while retaining Kemba and still managing to remain below the luxury line this year (cap hell in 2022-2023, but at least we don’t potentially ruin ourselves with future free agents by not giving up on Kemba, TT and Teague):

https://tradenba.com/trades/ENa_-_sxY

Not sure that Sacramento bites considering most of those seconds will not convey or be near the bottom of the draft.

I do love this 12-deep team if Kemba can learn how to facilitate and be consistent again:

Kemba/Pritchard
Brown/Smart
Tatum/Barnes
Collins/Griffin (Buyout)/Ojeyele
TT/Theis/R. Williams

Riding bench: Green, Teague

[dannyboy35]

BOS In: Collins, Barnes, Horford, Hill
BOS Out: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Edwards, ‘21 1st, ‘23 1st, ‘25 1st, ‘21 2nd, ‘22 2nd, OKC ‘21 2nd (heavily protected), Hayward TPE

Why we do it: Plenty of other threads explain why we want/need Barnes and Collins as starters. This may be the price considering there are many other bidders for their services. Moving Kemba and R. Williams for Horford and Hill has been written about elsewhere, too, and you’ll see below why TT and G. Williams are added to the mix (i.e., sweeten the pot for Sacramento). If we’re going to be offering a max to Collins, we obviously need to remove Kemba’s max considering cap ramifications in 2022-2023.

ATL In: BOS ‘23 1st, BOS ‘25 1st, Langford, Nesmith
ATL Out: Collins

Why they do it: Collins is reportedly unhappy paired with Young, so this enables them to get two unprotected firsts (if they’re betting against us doing anything in 3-4 years, makes sense) and two recent lottery picks who are heavily cost-controlled. Hard to see folks outbidding us unless someone has a definite 2021 lottery pick to throw at Atlanta.

OKC In: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, G. Williams, Edwards, OKC ‘21 2nd
OKC Out: Horford, Hill, GSW ‘21 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd)

Why they do it: Move Horford and Hill for pieces they can more easily trade for picks in the off-season/next year, or perhaps build around in R. Williams’ case (or deal TT to a playoff contender now, but probably have him replace Horford the rest of this year).

SAC In: ‘21 BOS 1st, ‘21 GSW 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd), ‘21 BOS 2nd, ‘22 BOS 2nd, Hayward TPE
SAC
SAC Out: Barnes

Why they do it: Much better haul than they sent out to get Barnes and they suddenly save $22 million in cap space in a very tight revenue year. Signals to Fox and Haliburton that this is their team, too (separately, would be unsurprised if Hield is also moved somewhere east). We may be able to outbid anybody with just one 2nd rounder on top of the first rounders, but hard to say.

Our roster and remaining draft picks:

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Barnes/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis
Collins/Horford

Or maybe

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Tatum/Barnes
Collins/Theis/Ojeyele
Horford

When the Pistons buy-out Griffin any day now, bring him in as our backup PF and Theis can relieve Ojeyele in the ten-man rotation. Sign a ring-chasing vet, or trade a 2nd rounder with the Kanter TPE for Ellington, to get to 14 men in a couple weeks.

Remaining picks (at least one pick every year except 2021, but remember that Yam Madar is coming):

‘22 1st
‘23 2nd
‘24 1st
‘25 2nd
‘25 MEM 2nd
All picks in 2026-beyond

Note: Maybe ‘21 2nd or ‘22 2nd (see commentary in Barnes trade explanation)

https://tradenba.com/trades/XTmf2kiJr

Only increases us by less than $7 mil., so no luxury issues this year.

Thoughts? Comments?

only by you in the million other 'trade for Horford' threads you've created

Haha well, I miss big Al and think we can get more out of him this year and next than we can out of Kemba. Other than Smart, he was my favorite Celtic 2016-2019.

Anyway, here’s a possible way to get Collins and Barnes while retaining Kemba and still managing to remain below the luxury line:

https://tradenba.com/trades/ENa_-_sxY

Not sure that Sacramento bites considering most of those seconds will not convey or be near the bottom of the draft.

   I’m not good at assessing value in multiple team trades especially but that would make a nice squad if healthy.
Tatum
Collins
Theis
Kemba
Jaylen
 With smart, Barnes, Thompdon , Pritchard, Semi?
I think that’s a finalist contender at least on paper .Creative. 👍🏻

[RJ87]

BOS In: Collins, Barnes, Horford, Hill
BOS Out: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, Langford, Nesmith, G. Williams, Edwards, ‘21 1st, ‘23 1st, ‘25 1st, ‘21 2nd, ‘22 2nd, OKC ‘21 2nd (heavily protected), Hayward TPE

Why we do it: Plenty of other threads explain why we want/need Barnes and Collins as starters. This may be the price considering there are many other bidders for their services. Moving Kemba and R. Williams for Horford and Hill has been written about elsewhere, too, and you’ll see below why TT and G. Williams are added to the mix (i.e., sweeten the pot for Sacramento). If we’re going to be offering a max to Collins, we obviously need to remove Kemba’s max considering cap ramifications in 2022-2023.

ATL In: BOS ‘23 1st, BOS ‘25 1st, Langford, Nesmith
ATL Out: Collins

Why they do it: Collins is reportedly unhappy paired with Young, so this enables them to get two unprotected firsts (if they’re betting against us doing anything in 3-4 years, makes sense) and two recent lottery picks who are heavily cost-controlled. Hard to see folks outbidding us unless someone has a definite 2021 lottery pick to throw at Atlanta.

OKC In: Kemba, R. Williams, TT, G. Williams, Edwards, OKC ‘21 2nd
OKC Out: Horford, Hill, GSW ‘21 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd)

Why they do it: Move Horford and Hill for pieces they can more easily trade for picks in the off-season/next year, or perhaps build around in R. Williams’ case (or deal TT to a playoff contender now, but probably have him replace Horford the rest of this year).

SAC In: ‘21 BOS 1st, ‘21 GSW 1st (top 20 protection; otherwise conveys as ‘21 MN 2nd), ‘21 BOS 2nd, ‘22 BOS 2nd, Hayward TPE
SAC
SAC Out: Barnes

Why they do it: Much better haul than they sent out to get Barnes and they suddenly save $22 million in cap space in a very tight revenue year. Signals to Fox and Haliburton that this is their team, too (separately, would be unsurprised if Hield is also moved somewhere east). We may be able to outbid anybody with just one 2nd rounder on top of the first rounders, but hard to say.

Our roster and remaining draft picks:

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Barnes/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis
Collins/Horford

Or maybe

Hill/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Smart/Green
Tatum/Barnes
Collins/Theis/Ojeyele
Horford

When the Pistons buy-out Griffin any day now, bring him in as our backup PF and Theis can relieve Ojeyele in the ten-man rotation. Sign a ring-chasing vet, or trade a 2nd rounder with the Kanter TPE for Ellington, to get to 14 men in a couple weeks.

Remaining picks (at least one pick every year except 2021, but remember that Yam Madar is coming):

‘22 1st
‘23 2nd
‘24 1st
‘25 2nd
‘25 MEM 2nd
All picks in 2026-beyond

Note: Maybe ‘21 2nd or ‘22 2nd (see commentary in Barnes trade explanation)

https://tradenba.com/trades/XTmf2kiJr

Only increases us by less than $7 mil., so no luxury issues this year.

Thoughts? Comments?

only by you in the million other 'trade for Horford' threads you've created

LOL. And a TP for your troubles here.