My one gripe with Brad Stevens...

[footey]

Only one gripe?

I hate that he waits way too long before calling a timeout when the other team is on a run.
I hate he uses Semi in the first half and Grant Williams in the second. If you trust Williams at the end of the game, why no run in the first half?
I hate when he subs out a guy when he's obviously hot, just because it's his turn. It's the playoffs. Ride the hot hand.
I hate that they consistently can't figure out how to close out a game. I keep thinking they're young and will get better at it, but they don't. It's not just the last play, it's the last 5-6 minutes. Dribble, dribble, dribble, oh no there's only 4 seconds on the shot clock. Better chuck up a stupid shot.
I hate that he has Brown standing in the corner for long periods of time, seemed like the whole 4 quarter, while Tatum or Walker are pounding the ball.
I hate that he hasn't stopped Smart from trying to take over the offense and killing the momentum of the game, see mid first quarter of last game.
Other than that, he seems like a pretty nice guy. I'd let him date my daughter.

You'd let your daughter date a married man? Dude!

[footey]

I'm not in the locker room, but Brad seems a little too nice to his players when they mess up. If he held them more accountable, they would be less likely to continue to play selfishly.   Take for example how Tatum and Kemba played two man hero ball at the end of the game, with disastrous outcome.  Pull them out of the game if they try that crap.

[KGs Knee]

Of all the countless criticisms I have about Brad's poor coaching giving the ball to his best player and putting the game on their shoulders is not one of them.  Every single team with an elite offensive centerpiece operates this way.  When you have an elite individual scorer you give them the ball and get out of the way when the game is on the line.  Look around the league, this is far more common than some of you want to accept, apparently.

Tatum could stand to be more of a facilitator and could stand to diversify his attack, but I want the ball in his hands every single time in clutch situations.

Tatum's not quite on that level yet though. If he was I would have no issues with him having the ball in his hands every single time in crunch time barring us having another offensive vortex on the squad.

Well, I think he clearly is close enough to that level that he's earned the right to be given the opportunity.  There's also no way he can learn from his mistakes if he's not allowed to make them.

I mean, if Kemba wasn't crapping the bed, I'd say he's earned some of those shots, given his his past successes in that role, but he's becoming Rick Ankiel / Chuck Knoblauch right before our eyes, apparently.

Not to me when we're trying to win a title right now, a more balanced attack where he and Kemba shares the bulk of the load with Jaylen/Smart/Hayward (if he comes back) chipping in as well would be what I'd aim for right now instead of him pounding the ball most of the time with Kemba being his sidekick and Smart/Jaylen not getting any touches. That way we can optimise our crunch time offence while still giving Tatum the touches he needs to develop.

Can't say I agree with any of this.

But it doesn't matter, neither of us are the coach and all we have is our complaints/opinions.

[Somebody]

Of all the countless criticisms I have about Brad's poor coaching giving the ball to his best player and putting the game on their shoulders is not one of them.  Every single team with an elite offensive centerpiece operates this way.  When you have an elite individual scorer you give them the ball and get out of the way when the game is on the line.  Look around the league, this is far more common than some of you want to accept, apparently.

Tatum could stand to be more of a facilitator and could stand to diversify his attack, but I want the ball in his hands every single time in clutch situations.

Tatum's not quite on that level yet though. If he was I would have no issues with him having the ball in his hands every single time in crunch time barring us having another offensive vortex on the squad.

Well, I think he clearly is close enough to that level that he's earned the right to be given the opportunity.  There's also no way he can learn from his mistakes if he's not allowed to make them.

I mean, if Kemba wasn't crapping the bed, I'd say he's earned some of those shots, given his his past successes in that role, but he's becoming Rick Ankiel / Chuck Knoblauch right before our eyes, apparently.

Not to me when we're trying to win a title right now, a more balanced attack where he and Kemba shares the bulk of the load with Jaylen/Smart/Hayward (if he comes back) chipping in as well would be what I'd aim for right now instead of him pounding the ball most of the time with Kemba being his sidekick and Smart/Jaylen not getting any touches. That way we can optimise our crunch time offence while still giving Tatum the touches he needs to develop.

Can't say I agree with any of this.

But it doesn't matter, neither of us are the coach and all we have is our complaints/opinions.

Yeah agree to disagree I guess. Just not huge on a heliocentric system when your centrepiece isn't good enough to be an alright offensive vortex. Doesn't mean that Tatum is a bad offensive player (he's only a cut or two below those players), but not being on that level simply means having to work in a more global offence to reach the heights of those heliocentric offences.

[KGs Knee]

Of all the countless criticisms I have about Brad's poor coaching giving the ball to his best player and putting the game on their shoulders is not one of them.  Every single team with an elite offensive centerpiece operates this way.  When you have an elite individual scorer you give them the ball and get out of the way when the game is on the line.  Look around the league, this is far more common than some of you want to accept, apparently.

Tatum could stand to be more of a facilitator and could stand to diversify his attack, but I want the ball in his hands every single time in clutch situations.

Tatum's not quite on that level yet though. If he was I would have no issues with him having the ball in his hands every single time in crunch time barring us having another offensive vortex on the squad.

Well, I think he clearly is close enough to that level that he's earned the right to be given the opportunity.  There's also no way he can learn from his mistakes if he's not allowed to make them.

I mean, if Kemba wasn't crapping the bed, I'd say he's earned some of those shots, given his his past successes in that role, but he's becoming Rick Ankiel / Chuck Knoblauch right before our eyes, apparently.

Not to me when we're trying to win a title right now, a more balanced attack where he and Kemba shares the bulk of the load with Jaylen/Smart/Hayward (if he comes back) chipping in as well would be what I'd aim for right now instead of him pounding the ball most of the time with Kemba being his sidekick and Smart/Jaylen not getting any touches. That way we can optimise our crunch time offence while still giving Tatum the touches he needs to develop.

Can't say I agree with any of this.

But it doesn't matter, neither of us are the coach and all we have is our complaints/opinions.

Yeah agree to disagree I guess. Just not huge on a heliocentric system when your centrepiece isn't good enough to be an alright offensive vortex. Doesn't mean that Tatum is a bad offensive player (he's only a cut or two below those players), but not being on that level simply means having to work in a more global offence to reach the heights of those heliocentric offences.

The thing is, Tatum is on that level. That's where you are wrong. Not even players like Kobe, Pierce, LeBron, or Durant get it right every time. I fully trust Tatum to get it right more often than not.

[bdm860]

Only one gripe?

I hate that he waits way too long before calling a timeout when the other team is on a run.
I hate he uses Semi in the first half and Grant Williams in the second. If you trust Williams at the end of the game, why no run in the first half?
I hate when he subs out a guy when he's obviously hot, just because it's his turn. It's the playoffs. Ride the hot hand.
I hate that they consistently can't figure out how to close out a game. I keep thinking they're young and will get better at it, but they don't. It's not just the last play, it's the last 5-6 minutes. Dribble, dribble, dribble, oh no there's only 4 seconds on the shot clock. Better chuck up a stupid shot.
I hate that he has Brown standing in the corner for long periods of time, seemed like the whole 4 quarter, while Tatum or Walker are pounding the ball.
I hate that he hasn't stopped Smart from trying to take over the offense and killing the momentum of the game, see mid first quarter of last game.
Other than that, he seems like a pretty nice guy. I'd let him date my daughter.

When has this happened in the playoffs?  Excluding the double digit blow outs, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Walker are all averaging 40+mpg.

This seems like a regular season gripe that you're carrying over to the playoffs, but that Stevens has actually changed, because well, it's the playoffs.

Though maybe you think it's happening in the 1st half and I'm just not paying attention?  If it's happening at all, it's happening then, as Stevens barely sits guys in the 2nd half, though probably all the more reason to give them a little scheduled rest in the 1st half.

[Somebody]

Of all the countless criticisms I have about Brad's poor coaching giving the ball to his best player and putting the game on their shoulders is not one of them.  Every single team with an elite offensive centerpiece operates this way.  When you have an elite individual scorer you give them the ball and get out of the way when the game is on the line.  Look around the league, this is far more common than some of you want to accept, apparently.

Tatum could stand to be more of a facilitator and could stand to diversify his attack, but I want the ball in his hands every single time in clutch situations.

Tatum's not quite on that level yet though. If he was I would have no issues with him having the ball in his hands every single time in crunch time barring us having another offensive vortex on the squad.

Well, I think he clearly is close enough to that level that he's earned the right to be given the opportunity.  There's also no way he can learn from his mistakes if he's not allowed to make them.

I mean, if Kemba wasn't crapping the bed, I'd say he's earned some of those shots, given his his past successes in that role, but he's becoming Rick Ankiel / Chuck Knoblauch right before our eyes, apparently.

Not to me when we're trying to win a title right now, a more balanced attack where he and Kemba shares the bulk of the load with Jaylen/Smart/Hayward (if he comes back) chipping in as well would be what I'd aim for right now instead of him pounding the ball most of the time with Kemba being his sidekick and Smart/Jaylen not getting any touches. That way we can optimise our crunch time offence while still giving Tatum the touches he needs to develop.

Can't say I agree with any of this.

But it doesn't matter, neither of us are the coach and all we have is our complaints/opinions.

Yeah agree to disagree I guess. Just not huge on a heliocentric system when your centrepiece isn't good enough to be an alright offensive vortex. Doesn't mean that Tatum is a bad offensive player (he's only a cut or two below those players), but not being on that level simply means having to work in a more global offence to reach the heights of those heliocentric offences.

The thing is, Tatum is on that level. That's where you are wrong. Not even players like Kobe, Pierce, LeBron, or Durant get it right every time. I fully trust Tatum to get it right more often than not.

Yeah I don't agree with that at all. Kobe, LeBron and Durant are levels above Tatum and that's what makes a heliocentric offence around them great. And ATGs don't get it right every time, but they make much better decisions than Tatum at higher rates (Durant is the weakest passer/decision-maker out of the three, but even he is better than this iteration of Tatum in that department).

[Ogaju]

For all the talk of being a basketball mind it baffles me that in the last seconds of a game after a time out several times this playoffs there are no designed plays to get a good shot off.

its always give the ball to tatum/kemba...let them dribble down the clock and jack up a 3 point shot or try and go to the hoop at a good defender...all while everyone is standing around doing nothing..That is not a high percentage shot. Maybe if we have a designed play we win some of these last second shot type games, get some movement so there are 2 other options..

Its the one pet peeve of mine

There is a  name for that call in Celtic's lore. It is the Paul Pierce ISO.

[Ogaju]

Only one gripe?

I hate that he waits way too long before calling a timeout when the other team is on a run.
I hate he uses Semi in the first half and Grant Williams in the second. If you trust Williams at the end of the game, why no run in the first half?
I hate when he subs out a guy when he's obviously hot, just because it's his turn. It's the playoffs. Ride the hot hand.
I hate that they consistently can't figure out how to close out a game. I keep thinking they're young and will get better at it, but they don't. It's not just the last play, it's the last 5-6 minutes. Dribble, dribble, dribble, oh no there's only 4 seconds on the shot clock. Better chuck up a stupid shot.
I hate that he has Brown standing in the corner for long periods of time, seemed like the whole 4 quarter, while Tatum or Walker are pounding the ball.
I hate that he hasn't stopped Smart from trying to take over the offense and killing the momentum of the game, see mid first quarter of last game.
Other than that, he seems like a pretty nice guy. I'd let him date my daughter.

You'd let your daughter date a married man? Dude!

Come on yall know what he meant.....lol

[CelticsPoetry]

For all the talk of being a basketball mind it baffles me that in the last seconds of a game after a time out several times this playoffs there are no designed plays to get a good shot off.

its always give the ball to tatum/kemba...let them dribble down the clock and jack up a 3 point shot or try and go to the hoop at a good defender...all while everyone is standing around doing nothing..That is not a high percentage shot. Maybe if we have a designed play we win some of these last second shot type games, get some movement so there are 2 other options..

Its the one pet peeve of mine

There is a  name for that call in Celtic's lore. It is the Paul Pierce ISO.

IMO Tatum should train with Pierce for those ISOs. He should learn to operate in the midrange and use some pumpfakes like Paul did with great success.

[celts55]

Only one gripe?

I hate that he waits way too long before calling a timeout when the other team is on a run.
I hate he uses Semi in the first half and Grant Williams in the second. If you trust Williams at the end of the game, why no run in the first half?
I hate when he subs out a guy when he's obviously hot, just because it's his turn. It's the playoffs. Ride the hot hand.
I hate that they consistently can't figure out how to close out a game. I keep thinking they're young and will get better at it, but they don't. It's not just the last play, it's the last 5-6 minutes. Dribble, dribble, dribble, oh no there's only 4 seconds on the shot clock. Better chuck up a stupid shot.
I hate that he has Brown standing in the corner for long periods of time, seemed like the whole 4 quarter, while Tatum or Walker are pounding the ball.
I hate that he hasn't stopped Smart from trying to take over the offense and killing the momentum of the game, see mid first quarter of last game.
Other than that, he seems like a pretty nice guy. I'd let him date my daughter.

You'd let your daughter date a married man? Dude!

She’s an adult. 😀

[TheReaLPuba]

Only one gripe?

I hate that he waits way too long before calling a timeout when the other team is on a run.
I hate he uses Semi in the first half and Grant Williams in the second. If you trust Williams at the end of the game, why no run in the first half?
I hate when he subs out a guy when he's obviously hot, just because it's his turn. It's the playoffs. Ride the hot hand.
I hate that they consistently can't figure out how to close out a game. I keep thinking they're young and will get better at it, but they don't. It's not just the last play, it's the last 5-6 minutes. Dribble, dribble, dribble, oh no there's only 4 seconds on the shot clock. Better chuck up a stupid shot.
I hate that he has Brown standing in the corner for long periods of time, seemed like the whole 4 quarter, while Tatum or Walker are pounding the ball.
I hate that he hasn't stopped Smart from trying to take over the offense and killing the momentum of the game, see mid first quarter of last game.
Other than that, he seems like a pretty nice guy. I'd let him date my daughter.

TimeLord should have been in the game once Theiss fouled out.

Can we put someone and have them stick to Goran Petrovic?