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Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2019, 10:33:01 AM »

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Likely a 2-3 year max deal. He still has 2-3 prime years left, it's not a Horford situation.

Hayward’s max is 35% of the salary cap.  I don’t see him getting that.

As long as he continues to work his way back to being a reasonable facsimile of his Utah days, which looks like a probable outcome, he'll most assuredly be offered a 3+1 max from some team out there.

There's too many teams that need a wing with his skill set and all it takes it one of them to have the requisite cap space.

Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2019, 10:40:02 AM »

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Likely a 2-3 year max deal. He still has 2-3 prime years left, it's not a Horford situation.

Hayward’s max is 35% of the salary cap.  I don’t see him getting that.

As long as he continues to work his way back to being a reasonable facsimile of his Utah days, which looks like a probable outcome, he'll most assuredly be offered a 3+1 max from some team out there.

There's too many teams that need a wing with his skill set and all it takes it one of them to have the requisite cap space.
Who?  Everyone always like to say some team, but then never actually identifies the team.  Which team is going to start a contract between 35-40 million in the first year for Gordon Hayward this summer?
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Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2019, 11:00:25 AM »

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Likely a 2-3 year max deal. He still has 2-3 prime years left, it's not a Horford situation.



Hayward’s max is 35% of the salary cap.  I don’t see him getting that.

As long as he continues to work his way back to being a reasonable facsimile of his Utah days, which looks like a probable outcome, he'll most assuredly be offered a 3+1 max from some team out there.

There's too many teams that need a wing with his skill set and all it takes it one of them to have the requisite cap space.

The requisite cap space is $40.6 million.  A 3+1 Max is 4 years, $174.5 million, with that year 4 option worth $46.7 million the season he turns 34.  He’s not getting that.

Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2019, 11:01:30 AM »

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Likely a 2-3 year max deal. He still has 2-3 prime years left, it's not a Horford situation.



Hayward’s max is 35% of the salary cap.  I don’t see him getting that.

As long as he continues to work his way back to being a reasonable facsimile of his Utah days, which looks like a probable outcome, he'll most assuredly be offered a 3+1 max from some team out there.

There's too many teams that need a wing with his skill set and all it takes it one of them to have the requisite cap space.

The requisite cap space is $40.6 million.  A 3+1 Max is 4 years, $174.5 million, with that year 4 option worth $46.7 million the season he turns 34.  He’s not getting that.
Agreed. A 2-3 year max with no options is different though.
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Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2019, 11:07:21 AM »

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Likely a 2-3 year max deal. He still has 2-3 prime years left, it's not a Horford situation.



Hayward’s max is 35% of the salary cap.  I don’t see him getting that.

As long as he continues to work his way back to being a reasonable facsimile of his Utah days, which looks like a probable outcome, he'll most assuredly be offered a 3+1 max from some team out there.

There's too many teams that need a wing with his skill set and all it takes it one of them to have the requisite cap space.

The requisite cap space is $40.6 million.  A 3+1 Max is 4 years, $174.5 million, with that year 4 option worth $46.7 million the season he turns 34.  He’s not getting that.
FWIW I wasn't really thinking about him being a 35% max player, thought he'd be a 30% guy still for whatever reason.

Anyways Kemba just got a similar sized deal, and he probably had a couple of teams willing to give him it.

You might be right that he just gets the 30% max sort of number, but it only takes one team and there aren't a lot of good FAs out there other than Davis to compete with so I'm not that certain about it.

Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2019, 11:24:52 AM »

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The thing is there are really only 4-5 teams that can give him even what would be the 30% max, and those teams are bad and/or young teams. MEM, ATL, CHA, CLE and maybe NYK. Are any of those teams going to be at a point where they want to sign a 30 year old max guy in the middle of their rebuild? And even if they do would Hayward want to go their and basically give up competing? I don't really think so.

That leads me too believe he's either opting into the final year and will try the market in 2021 where he will be 31 years old but a lot more teams will have cap space (everybody is opening space for what will be a more robust market). Or he'll opt out with an agreement from the C's to sign a longer term deal for probably less(per year) than the $34 million he'd make next year.

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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2019, 12:29:00 PM »

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Might be his last big payday......   If he won't take a "healthy" discount to stay with Boston I imagine he is gone.   
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Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2019, 12:45:31 PM »

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Crazy that he's still only 29 years old.

The kind of game that Hayward has, I'd expect him to age pretty well and look pretty similar at age 34. But what is 17-6-4 worth? I don't think it's worth a max deal. Especially with two young wings on the roster already.

In today's NBA, I can only guess what he's worth but my guess is that price tag is around $30 mil a year.
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Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2019, 09:20:41 AM »

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I'm one of the bigger Hayward fans on this site, and I think you start by offering him a 40% haircut.  Something in the line of 18.6 million a year for 2 or 3 years seems appropriate to me.  If he walks, good luck to him and his next team.

A very good player when he's healthy, Hayward's availability has been a huge problem for the Celtics for his entire tenure. Even the reputable Jackie MacMullan reported that the preferential treatment Brad has shown him has rankled teammates and submarined a promising season.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/macmullan-celtics-force-feeding-gordon-hayward-was-start-their-chemistry-issues1


 

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Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2019, 09:23:03 AM »

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If he opt out, i think Utah will be the team he sign with
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Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2019, 12:22:58 PM »

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If he opt out, i think Utah will be the team he sign with
FWIW Utah will have no cap space, so that'd be exception money. If that's his market he's opting in obviously.

Re: If Gordon Hayward opts out, what will it take to resign him?
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2019, 12:39:14 PM »

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Call it a hunch, but I do not see him opting out unless it is to sign an extension with the Celtics which is probably not very likely. Who knows. Get better soon, Gordon.