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Title: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: matteo on October 08, 2018, 12:31:43 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1049329673858113536

I don't want to lose Rozier but IF they hire Kevin McHale as Woj suggested is a possibility does that increase the likelihood?
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: matteo on October 08, 2018, 12:33:13 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1049330266739761152
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: Roy H. on October 08, 2018, 12:34:05 PM
Huh. Weird timing.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: Donoghus on October 08, 2018, 12:40:15 PM
Huh. Weird timing.

Really weird timing.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: gift on October 08, 2018, 12:41:21 PM
Too bad for Ryan, but honestly makes complete sense and I've been expecting it for a while.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: BringToughnessBack on October 08, 2018, 12:48:18 PM
Huh. Weird timing.

Really weird timing.

Bizarre timing for sure..they must have a verbal from someone who can really change their direction or be a better lure for free agents for next year's class...
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: konkmv on October 08, 2018, 12:57:38 PM
To be honest i did not understand many of their trades for several years..
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on October 08, 2018, 01:25:17 PM
Ayton looks like a good player -- Lamarcus Aldridge-type frontcourt piece.

But I think the other off-season moves were the cause for concern.

Ariza?
Anderson?
Bridges for Smith and a future pick?

They had a ton of cap flexibility, expiring contracts, and picks, and they left this off-season only marginably better, while wasting assets to do it.

Edit: Also, the Suns have always tried to be players on big name trades. What if McDonough was unwilling to get in the Butler sweepstakes, and the owner fired him because of it?
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: Surferdad on October 08, 2018, 02:30:28 PM
Ayton looks like a good player -- Lamarcus Aldridge-type frontcourt piece.

But I think the other off-season moves were the cause for concern.

Ariza?
Anderson?
Bridges for Smith and a future pick?

They had a ton of cap flexibility, expiring contracts, and picks, and they left this off-season only marginably better, while wasting assets to do it.

Edit: Also, the Suns have always tried to be players on big name trades. What if McDonough was unwilling to get in the Butler sweepstakes, and the owner fired him because of it?
It would explain the weird timing.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: cons on October 08, 2018, 02:58:48 PM
james jones? he just retired 2 years ago. pretty quick rise to GM for him. surprising esp for someone who was a role player at best.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: ederson on October 08, 2018, 03:32:28 PM
To be honest i did not understand many of their trades for several years..

And picks
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on October 08, 2018, 03:38:38 PM
Funny thing is, I was perusing the nba reddit forum, and a lot of Suns fans said they actually liked their off-season.

I did not.

I'm really glad to cheer for a team with Danny Ainge as our GM.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on October 08, 2018, 04:15:19 PM
Unless there was a specific incident that caused it, this is about the worst way the Suns could have handled the situation. How are you going to give a GM the entire offseason to hire a HC, use the first overall pick and make the kind of deals he did, then fire the guy before seeing where it gets the team?
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: Big333223 on October 08, 2018, 04:16:45 PM
Huh. Weird timing.

Really weird timing.

Bizarre timing for sure..they must have a verbal from someone who can really change their direction or be a better lure for free agents for next year's class...

I was thinking the same.

He used to work for the Celtics, didn't he? I'd take him back on the front office team if he wanted back. I think he did as good as job as could be expected in Phoenix.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: gouki88 on October 08, 2018, 04:21:40 PM
Yeah, as others have said, odd timing. But their off-season has been odd all around
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: Roy H. on October 08, 2018, 04:23:27 PM
His track record definitely wasnít stellar:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/mcdonry99x.html
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: JSD on October 08, 2018, 04:24:23 PM
Hopefully Danny hasnít got sick of winter in Boston.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: SparzWizard on October 08, 2018, 04:28:54 PM
Thanks for Isaiah Thomas, for getting us Kyrie Irving!
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: hpantazo on October 08, 2018, 04:36:17 PM
That would be a great spot for Kevin McHale. He could send us Ayton in a few years.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: Moranis on October 08, 2018, 04:46:16 PM
I'd guess David Griffin.  17 years with the Suns before his 7 year stint in Cleveland. 
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: JBcat on October 08, 2018, 05:38:58 PM
Thatís what you get for not letting us work out Josh Jackson which turned out great for us in the end. Lol
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 08, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
saltlover would slot in nicely.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: indeedproceed on October 08, 2018, 06:04:02 PM
I'd guess David Griffin.  17 years with the Suns before his 7 year stint in Cleveland. 

Good call.

I wonder if this is followed by an overpay for PBev. Iím hopeful itís followed by an overpay for Rozier, even as a T-Ro Stan.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: gouki88 on October 08, 2018, 06:14:53 PM
saltlover would slot in nicely.
Has salty made the transition over to CelticsStrong yet? I miss him :(
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: liam on October 08, 2018, 06:53:16 PM
Thatís what you get for not letting us work out Josh Jackson which turned out great for us in the end. Lol

That's the exact thought that went through my head when I heard this....
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: hwangjini_1 on October 08, 2018, 07:30:16 PM
saltlover would slot in nicely.
I disagree. Salty would never fit in a tire fire situation.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 08, 2018, 08:43:06 PM
saltlover would slot in nicely.
Has salty made the transition over to CelticsStrong yet? I miss him :(

Nope. His disappearance mysteriously coincided with McD's unraveling.

saltlover would slot in nicely.
I disagree. Salty would never fit in a tire fire situation.

salty strikes me as the kind of guy that makes lemonade out of burnt tires.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: liam on October 08, 2018, 08:57:42 PM
saltlover would slot in nicely.
Has salty made the transition over to CelticsStrong yet? I miss him :(

Nope. His disappearance mysteriously coincided with McD's unraveling.

saltlover would slot in nicely.
I disagree. Salty would never fit in a tire fire situation.

salty strikes me as the kind of guy that makes lemonade out of burnt tires.

This is a beautiful sentence!
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 09, 2018, 12:34:08 AM
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The Athletic Sources: The Phoenix Suns also fired assistant GM Pat Connelly and director of scouting Courtney Witte, along with GM Ryan McDonough. Draft picks under McDonough's regime included Alex Len, T.J. Warren, Devin Booker, Dragan Bender, Josh Jackson and Deandre Ayton.

https://twitter.com/mikeascotto/status/1049396294387728385?s=21
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: Androslav on October 09, 2018, 04:06:36 AM
Now they fire him.
After the offseason.
Great timing.

Until the last 5-6 years, Phoenix was a solid franchise.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: Surferdad on October 09, 2018, 07:44:15 AM
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The Athletic Sources: The Phoenix Suns also fired assistant GM Pat Connelly and director of scouting Courtney Witte, along with GM Ryan McDonough. Draft picks under McDonough's regime included Alex Len, T.J. Warren, Devin Booker, Dragan Bender, Josh Jackson and Deandre Ayton.

https://twitter.com/mikeascotto/status/1049396294387728385?s=21
Hard to argue with picking Booker and Ayton.  At the time, Bender was possibly the next big thing.  Not a fan of Josh Jackson, but he was touted too.

Seems like a house-cleaning, in spite of the timing.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: HomerSapien on October 09, 2018, 08:01:31 AM
When do people believe the "right" time to fire a GM is? For me, as soon as you realize the person running the team is someone you don't have confidence in you fire them as soon as possible.

Is there an ideal time to fire a GM where they won't have an opportunity to mess up the summer, the trade deadline, etc.?

Just curious if there is a definitive opinion here.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: Surferdad on October 09, 2018, 08:14:17 AM
When do people believe the "right" time to fire a GM is? For me, as soon as you realize the person running the team is someone you don't have confidence in you fire them as soon as possible.

Is there an ideal time to fire a GM where they won't have an opportunity to mess up the summer, the trade deadline, etc.?

Just curious if there is a definitive opinion here.
I hope you see the point about the timing, right?  A GM's most important work is done leading up to the regular season.  The Ayton pick was good but apparently the trades he made displeased the owners.  What other explanation is there for the timing.
Title: Re: The Phoenix Suns have fired GM Ryan McDonough
Post by: jambr380 on October 09, 2018, 09:02:35 AM
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The Athletic Sources: The Phoenix Suns also fired assistant GM Pat Connelly and director of scouting Courtney Witte, along with GM Ryan McDonough. Draft picks under McDonough's regime included Alex Len, T.J. Warren, Devin Booker, Dragan Bender, Josh Jackson and Deandre Ayton.

https://twitter.com/mikeascotto/status/1049396294387728385?s=21
Hard to argue with picking Booker and Ayton.  At the time, Bender was possibly the next big thing.  Not a fan of Josh Jackson, but he was touted too.

Seems like a house-cleaning, in spite of the timing.

Honestly, looking back, those were all the 'correct' picks at the time of each draft. Even the Chriss trade looked good at the time (SAC acquired two firsts and the rights to Bogdanovic). Obviously not every player has panned out like he should have, but McDonough didn't blow it with any of those picks.

I imagine the trades and FA signings had a lot more to do with his firings than his draft record.