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Title: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers (update: signs with Pelicans)
Post by: celticsclay on July 16, 2018, 03:33:30 PM
I actually called this a few years ago, but must admit even i am a little surprised how quick it has happened.

http://amicohoops.net/okafor-not-drawing-interest-in-free-agency/
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Diggles on July 16, 2018, 03:45:33 PM
#traveling

I'd sign him to a two year deal with a team option on the second year....    (:   
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: PhoSita on July 16, 2018, 03:53:55 PM
I'll admit to having been very, very wrong about Okafor.

I thought he was gonna be really good.  I figured he'd be productive out of the gate and find a way to contribute to winning.  Couldn't have been more off the mark.  Granted, he came into a bad situation with the Sixers, but nonetheless, his descent into utter irrelevancy has been a bit mystifying to me.

I have to say I'm still kind of confused as to why nobody wants to give him a shot.  Didn't the playoffs show that guys who can generate buckets one and one and punish mismatches still have at least some theoretical value in the league?  I don't think anybody is clamoring to play guys like Okafor and Monroe 30+ minutes per night and in crunch time, but I think there's value there for 15-20 minutes a night.

Makes me wonder if there's not more than just the on-court issues with Jahlil.  If he were a hard worker with a good attitude, focus, etc it's hard for me to believe that nobody would want to use a roster spot on him.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: celticsclay on July 16, 2018, 03:56:04 PM
I would like to see what he could do if he has truly been humbled by this experience. Unfortunately I don't think we have a roster spot for him.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: celticsclay on July 16, 2018, 03:59:51 PM
I'll admit to having been very, very wrong about Okafor.

I thought he was gonna be really good.  I figured he'd be productive out of the gate and find a way to contribute to winning.  Couldn't have been more off the mark.  Granted, he came into a bad situation with the Sixers, but nonetheless, his descent into utter irrelevancy has been a bit mystifying to me.

I have to say I'm still kind of confused as to why nobody wants to give him a shot.  Didn't the playoffs show that guys who can generate buckets one and one and punish mismatches still have at least some theoretical value in the league?  I don't think anybody is clamoring to play guys like Okafor and Monroe 30+ minutes per night and in crunch time, but I think there's value there for 15-20 minutes a night.

Makes me wonder if there's not more than just the on-court issues with Jahlil.  If he were a hard worker with a good attitude, focus, etc it's hard for me to believe that nobody would want to use a roster spot on him.

I think there were concerns with his conditioning early on, but all recent indications are that he is in pretty good shape at least. Can't speak for his maturity, but it seems like he handled the stuff with the 76ers pretty good overall.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: PhoSita on July 16, 2018, 04:01:34 PM
I would like to see what he could do if he has truly been humbled by this experience. Unfortunately I don't think we have a roster spot for him.

I wouldn't be surprised if part of the problem is that Okafor continues to be focused on proving his value as an isolation / post scorer, rather than demonstrating his ability to contribute without scoring.  Perhaps instead of a video of him hitting pull-up mid-range  jumpers he should show clips of him endlessly doing the Mikan drill and grabbing rebounds in traffic, for example. 
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: nickagneta on July 16, 2018, 04:01:57 PM
As I said before, his best option is China where he could put up 50/25 every night for a decade and become a big star over there. He just isn't made for today's NBA and as hinted elsewhere, may not have it mentally in him to be an NBA player. Dang, he couldn't get minutes on the freaking Nets.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on July 16, 2018, 04:08:18 PM
So much for the great Okafor versus Noel Debate
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: triboy16f on July 16, 2018, 04:09:11 PM
talk about downhill fast

NBA unspoken rules

-don't voice trade requests on a rookie contract
- 2nd chance with a bad team like the Nets...don't end up riding the bench

a few others
- never say backup the brink trucks/show me the money
- never claim how much you are worth on national tv after a horrendous performance
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: greece666 on July 16, 2018, 04:18:34 PM
I'll admit to having been very, very wrong about Okafor.

I thought he was gonna be really good.  I figured he'd be productive out of the gate and find a way to contribute to winning.  Couldn't have been more off the mark.  Granted, he came into a bad situation with the Sixers, but nonetheless, his descent into utter irrelevancy has been a bit mystifying to me.

I have to say I'm still kind of confused as to why nobody wants to give him a shot.  Didn't the playoffs show that guys who can generate buckets one and one and punish mismatches still have at least some theoretical value in the league?  I don't think anybody is clamoring to play guys like Okafor and Monroe 30+ minutes per night and in crunch time, but I think there's value there for 15-20 minutes a night.

Makes me wonder if there's not more than just the on-court issues with Jahlil.  If he were a hard worker with a good attitude, focus, etc it's hard for me to believe that nobody would want to use a roster spot on him.

Remember when debating whether Okafor or Noel would turn out better? I was on the Okafor side and actually liked him p much back then  ::)

Re your points about his value, I'm afraid he is irrelevant.

See this reddit post here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7iiqy2/serious_why_jahlil_okafor_isnt_a_good_player/

It's not like I agree with  everything he says, but he makes some solid points: Okafor doesn't give you the rebounds /easy buckets /rim protection you want from a big.  He also seems to have attitude issues and hasn't improved his game or body since college. I'm sure you know all this already, but the post still provides a nice sum up IMO.

Speaking of bigs without demand, Hibbert is also an UFA.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: JHTruth on July 16, 2018, 04:35:36 PM
I'll admit to having been very, very wrong about Okafor.

I thought he was gonna be really good.  I figured he'd be productive out of the gate and find a way to contribute to winning.  Couldn't have been more off the mark.  Granted, he came into a bad situation with the Sixers, but nonetheless, his descent into utter irrelevancy has been a bit mystifying to me.

I have to say I'm still kind of confused as to why nobody wants to give him a shot.  Didn't the playoffs show that guys who can generate buckets one and one and punish mismatches still have at least some theoretical value in the league?  I don't think anybody is clamoring to play guys like Okafor and Monroe 30+ minutes per night and in crunch time, but I think there's value there for 15-20 minutes a night.

Makes me wonder if there's not more than just the on-court issues with Jahlil.  If he were a hard worker with a good attitude, focus, etc it's hard for me to believe that nobody would want to use a roster spot on him.

Okafor is a younger Monroe. They are not bad players, in fact offensively they are very good. It's just in today's NBA where teams have decided to switch every single PnR, they are left on an island and just aren't quick enough to not get blown by every time. Makes them very difficult to play.

I think it sucks personally but I've always been a huge fan of post bigs..
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: PhoSita on July 16, 2018, 04:44:08 PM
I'll admit to having been very, very wrong about Okafor.

I thought he was gonna be really good.  I figured he'd be productive out of the gate and find a way to contribute to winning.  Couldn't have been more off the mark.  Granted, he came into a bad situation with the Sixers, but nonetheless, his descent into utter irrelevancy has been a bit mystifying to me.

I have to say I'm still kind of confused as to why nobody wants to give him a shot.  Didn't the playoffs show that guys who can generate buckets one and one and punish mismatches still have at least some theoretical value in the league?  I don't think anybody is clamoring to play guys like Okafor and Monroe 30+ minutes per night and in crunch time, but I think there's value there for 15-20 minutes a night.

Makes me wonder if there's not more than just the on-court issues with Jahlil.  If he were a hard worker with a good attitude, focus, etc it's hard for me to believe that nobody would want to use a roster spot on him.

Okafor is a younger Monroe. They are not bad players, in fact offensively they are very good. It's just in today's NBA where teams have decided to switch every single PnR, they are left on an island and just aren't quick enough to not get blown by every time. Makes them very difficult to play.

I think it sucks personally but I've always been a huge fan of post bigs..


There are still a lot of bad teams in the NBA with little to no NBA talent on their bench.  For those teams, it shouldn't be that much of a concern that a bench player can't defend the best perimeter players in a pick and roll.

I can appreciate why guys like Monroe and Okafor can't find a place on the better teams in the league, but no roster spot in the entire league?  That's a head scratcher for me.

Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Eddie20 on July 16, 2018, 04:54:39 PM
I'll admit to having been very, very wrong about Okafor.

I thought he was gonna be really good.  I figured he'd be productive out of the gate and find a way to contribute to winning.  Couldn't have been more off the mark.  Granted, he came into a bad situation with the Sixers, but nonetheless, his descent into utter irrelevancy has been a bit mystifying to me.

I have to say I'm still kind of confused as to why nobody wants to give him a shot.  Didn't the playoffs show that guys who can generate buckets one and one and punish mismatches still have at least some theoretical value in the league?  I don't think anybody is clamoring to play guys like Okafor and Monroe 30+ minutes per night and in crunch time, but I think there's value there for 15-20 minutes a night.

Makes me wonder if there's not more than just the on-court issues with Jahlil.  If he were a hard worker with a good attitude, focus, etc it's hard for me to believe that nobody would want to use a roster spot on him.

Okafor is a younger Monroe
. They are not bad players, in fact offensively they are very good. It's just in today's NBA where teams have decided to switch every single PnR, they are left on an island and just aren't quick enough to not get blown by every time. Makes them very difficult to play.


This gets mentioned a lot, but unlike Monroe, Okafor is a bad rebounder and a poor passer. If he could at least rebound well he would probably get a shot, but that deficiency just adds to the problem.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: hpantazo on July 16, 2018, 04:58:43 PM
I still wouldn't be surprised if Ainge waits for the market to play out, and then signs Jahlil to a partially guaranteed, no risk contract. He did have interest in trading for him not too long ago, and he may just be waiting for him to get desperate enough to accept anything.

Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: celticsclay on July 16, 2018, 05:14:24 PM
I'll admit to having been very, very wrong about Okafor.

I thought he was gonna be really good.  I figured he'd be productive out of the gate and find a way to contribute to winning.  Couldn't have been more off the mark.  Granted, he came into a bad situation with the Sixers, but nonetheless, his descent into utter irrelevancy has been a bit mystifying to me.

I have to say I'm still kind of confused as to why nobody wants to give him a shot.  Didn't the playoffs show that guys who can generate buckets one and one and punish mismatches still have at least some theoretical value in the league?  I don't think anybody is clamoring to play guys like Okafor and Monroe 30+ minutes per night and in crunch time, but I think there's value there for 15-20 minutes a night.

Makes me wonder if there's not more than just the on-court issues with Jahlil.  If he were a hard worker with a good attitude, focus, etc it's hard for me to believe that nobody would want to use a roster spot on him.

Remember when debating whether Okafor or Noel would turn out better? I was on the Okafor side and actually liked him p much back then  ::)

Re your points about his value, I'm afraid he is irrelevant.

See this reddit post here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7iiqy2/serious_why_jahlil_okafor_isnt_a_good_player/

It's not like I agree with  everything he says, but he makes some solid points: Okafor doesn't give you the rebounds /easy buckets /rim protection you want from a big.  He also seems to have attitude issues and hasn't improved his game or body since college. I'm sure you know all this already, but the post still provides a nice sum up IMO.

Speaking of bigs without demand, Hibbert is also an UFA.

i believe Hibbert is retired. I saw him in studio on some sports show on cable.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Surferdad on July 16, 2018, 05:20:03 PM
He seems like an ideal candidate for the Chinese leagues.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: bdm860 on July 16, 2018, 06:01:02 PM
I think this whole offseason has been pretty weird, especially considering what a lot of CBers were expecting.

Cousins for the tax payer mid level ($5.3m)
Isaiah for the vet minimum ($2m)
Noel for the vet minimum

Okafor unsigned

Bradley for 2 years/$25m (so 12.5m per).


What was the collective thought here?  We were arguing about if Isaiah should get the max or only $20m per.

It's good the C's traded Avery, because they'd lose him for nothing in free agency because he'd be getting $18m-$20m per year offers.  Now he just signed for what some of us think Smart should be signed for.

Ignoring the Brooklyn picks that would have been traded to make it happen, there's enough of us that would have loved to trade for Cousins and pay him max money.

Not to mention all the Noel/Okafor/Smart/Brooklyn pick trade discussions.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 16, 2018, 06:17:08 PM
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What was the collective thought here?  We were arguing about if Isaiah should get the max or only $20m per.

No matter what the collective thought was, this blog always over values guys that played here.   I admit not even I thought he would sink so low as to get the vet minimum, though.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on July 16, 2018, 06:17:52 PM
Remember guys, trust Hinkieís Ďprocessí of drafting a guy at 22 who may be out of the league, over Porziņģis, Winslow, Myles Turner and Devin Booker...heck Rozier would have been a better pick. Hinkie offered Philly fans the cool aid and they continue to slurp it up.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Ogaju on July 16, 2018, 06:33:22 PM
I'll admit to having been very, very wrong about Okafor.

I thought he was gonna be really good.  I figured he'd be productive out of the gate and find a way to contribute to winning.  Couldn't have been more off the mark.  Granted, he came into a bad situation with the Sixers, but nonetheless, his descent into utter irrelevancy has been a bit mystifying to me.

I have to say I'm still kind of confused as to why nobody wants to give him a shot.  Didn't the playoffs show that guys who can generate buckets one and one and punish mismatches still have at least some theoretical value in the league?  I don't think anybody is clamoring to play guys like Okafor and Monroe 30+ minutes per night and in crunch time, but I think there's value there for 15-20 minutes a night.

Makes me wonder if there's not more than just the on-court issues with Jahlil.  If he were a hard worker with a good attitude, focus, etc it's hard for me to believe that nobody would want to use a roster spot on him.

Remember when debating whether Okafor or Noel would turn out better? I was on the Okafor side and actually liked him p much back then  ::)

Re your points about his value, I'm afraid he is irrelevant.

See this reddit post here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7iiqy2/serious_why_jahlil_okafor_isnt_a_good_player/

It's not like I agree with  everything he says, but he makes some solid points: Okafor doesn't give you the rebounds /easy buckets /rim protection you want from a big.  He also seems to have attitude issues and hasn't improved his game or body since college. I'm sure you know all this already, but the post still provides a nice sum up IMO.

Speaking of bigs without demand, Hibbert is also an UFA.

Hibbert? LOL !!!
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 16, 2018, 07:03:17 PM
not surprising after his underwhelming performance for Brooklyn
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: bogg on July 16, 2018, 09:07:31 PM
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What was the collective thought here?  We were arguing about if Isaiah should get the max or only $20m per.

No matter what the collective thought was, this blog always over values guys that played here.   I admit not even I thought he would sink so low as to get the vet minimum, though.

That was all before it was clear that Isaiah ruined his career getting the C's to the conference finals. Had he been healthy this past year he still would have got the $20+ million a year that was being discussed. It's honestly disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Isaiah will probably go down as one of the league's bigger cautionary tales about not putting the team ahead of your own personal interests.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Vermont Green on July 16, 2018, 09:25:23 PM
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What was the collective thought here?  We were arguing about if Isaiah should get the max or only $20m per.

No matter what the collective thought was, this blog always over values guys that played here.   I admit not even I thought he would sink so low as to get the vet minimum, though.

That was all before it was clear that Isaiah ruined his career getting the C's to the conference finals. Had he been healthy this past year he still would have got the $20+ million a year that was being discussed. It's honestly disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Isaiah will probably go down as one of the league's bigger cautionary tales about not putting the team ahead of your own personal interests.

I know this is becoming "conventional wisdom" but do people really think that Isaish would have gotten $20M if he had shut it down 10 games earlier or 20 games earlier?  He would still have had surgery after trying to let the hip heal with rest.  He has a chronic, degenerative condition, a ticking time bomb shall we say.  It went off in the ECF.

The timing of everything sucks for IT but when exactly would have been a good time for him to shut it down?
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: bogg on July 16, 2018, 10:01:42 PM
I know this is becoming "conventional wisdom" but do people really think that Isaish would have gotten $20M if he had shut it down 10 games earlier or 20 games earlier?

He definitely would have gotten that money if he were healthy, no question. Now, whether there's any potential scenario that ends in him being healthy at all is a different matter. However, at the time the $20+ million figures were being discussed he was either still on the court playing for Boston or the full extent of the injury wasn't known/understood. Acting like anyone was sitting around in February talking about Isaiah was going to get maxed out is just dealing in falsehoods.


Facts remain, though, Isaiah shredded his hip over the second half of the 2017 season in a way that's likely to derail his career long term, and he did it pushing the C's to the ECF. The fact that certain posters have their underwear in enough of a bunch over a guy wanting a paycheck that they're glad that he destroyed his body doing everything possible to help the team just makes them bad fans (to put it mildly). 

He would still have had surgery after trying to let the hip heal with rest.  He has a chronic, degenerative condition, a ticking time bomb shall we say.  It went off in the ECF.

The timing of everything sucks for IT but when exactly would have been a good time for him to shut it down?

Considering that the surgery did wind up being necessary after all? March of 2017.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: liam on July 16, 2018, 10:20:43 PM
Okafor might have go overseas. The money in the NBA has all dried up. Maybe the Kings, but they have 6 centers?
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 16, 2018, 11:59:03 PM
I'll admit to having been very, very wrong about Okafor.

I thought he was gonna be really good.  I figured he'd be productive out of the gate and find a way to contribute to winning.  Couldn't have been more off the mark.  Granted, he came into a bad situation with the Sixers, but nonetheless, his descent into utter irrelevancy has been a bit mystifying to me.

I have to say I'm still kind of confused as to why nobody wants to give him a shot.  Didn't the playoffs show that guys who can generate buckets one and one and punish mismatches still have at least some theoretical value in the league?  I don't think anybody is clamoring to play guys like Okafor and Monroe 30+ minutes per night and in crunch time, but I think there's value there for 15-20 minutes a night.

Makes me wonder if there's not more than just the on-court issues with Jahlil.  If he were a hard worker with a good attitude, focus, etc it's hard for me to believe that nobody would want to use a roster spot on him.

Okafor is a younger Monroe
. They are not bad players, in fact offensively they are very good. It's just in today's NBA where teams have decided to switch every single PnR, they are left on an island and just aren't quick enough to not get blown by every time. Makes them very difficult to play.


This gets mentioned a lot, but unlike Monroe, Okafor is a bad rebounder and a poor passer. If he could at least rebound well he would probably get a shot, but that deficiency just adds to the problem.

Good points. Monroe is a good and willing passer, otherwise itís not likely they would have signed him.

It was his ballhandling turnovers that were so costly last year, not the bad passes.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: mmmmm on July 17, 2018, 12:59:56 AM
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What was the collective thought here?  We were arguing about if Isaiah should get the max or only $20m per.

No matter what the collective thought was, this blog always over values guys that played here.   I admit not even I thought he would sink so low as to get the vet minimum, though.

That was all before it was clear that Isaiah ruined his career getting the C's to the conference finals. Had he been healthy this past year he still would have got the $20+ million a year that was being discussed. It's honestly disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Isaiah will probably go down as one of the league's bigger cautionary tales about not putting the team ahead of your own personal interests.

I know this is becoming "conventional wisdom" but do people really think that Isaish would have gotten $20M if he had shut it down 10 games earlier or 20 games earlier?  He would still have had surgery after trying to let the hip heal with rest.  He has a chronic, degenerative condition, a ticking time bomb shall we say.  It went off in the ECF.

The timing of everything sucks for IT but when exactly would have been a good time for him to shut it down?

The point of bogg's comment is "had he been healthy".  Not, "if he had shut it down earlier".  And suggesting it was all about a chronic condition over-simplifies what happened to Thomas.

Ball-joint impingement is a condition that only becomes a problem if a joint is stressed out of the range that is otherwise not bothered by the impingement.  Thomas played for years with hardly a skipped beat, missing very little time.   So arguably, his normal style of play was not putting undo stress against the limits of whatever his 'chronic' impingement condition imposed.    But unfortunately in his last year here he had first one odd stressor mid-winter, which simply bothered him for a couple of days and then, more seriously, 275 lbs of Karl Anthony Towns landed on top of him with just weeks left in the season.   

It was that last event that seemed to really do the damage from which there was no bouncing back.

If that had not happened, who knows?  Maybe he continues to just play at his high level right through the next few years?

I'm pretty sure he would have gotten paid fairly well if that had been the case.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on July 17, 2018, 01:19:35 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: gouki88 on July 17, 2018, 02:10:53 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Almost the complete opposite of Emeka, amazingly. They're two halves of a legendary center, lol. Emeka's defence and rebounding coupled with Jahlil's offensive touch would be awesome. Sadly, fusions between people are impossible
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on July 17, 2018, 03:18:27 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Almost the complete opposite of Emeka, amazingly. They're two halves of a legendary center, lol. Emeka's defence and rebounding coupled with Jahlil's offensive touch would be awesome. Sadly, fusions between people are impossible

Strange world...a couple years back Emeka was the bust and Jahlil was the future star.

Now Dwight Howard is arguably worse than Emeka, and Jahlil even worse than Dwight.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: gouki88 on July 17, 2018, 04:10:15 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Almost the complete opposite of Emeka, amazingly. They're two halves of a legendary center, lol. Emeka's defence and rebounding coupled with Jahlil's offensive touch would be awesome. Sadly, fusions between people are impossible

Strange world...a couple years back Emeka was the bust and Jahlil was the future star.

Now Dwight Howard is arguably worse than Emeka, and Jahlil even worse than Dwight.
I think you might be being a bit too harsh on Dwight. 16/12/1.5 is still very serviceable. It's just guys like him (boneheads) aren't really what any team wants, and he is no longer the MVP level talent to get away with it.

Either way, Jahlil is still the worst Okafor  ;D
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: PAOBoston on July 17, 2018, 08:24:34 AM
He is available because his game is obsolete! He entered the NBA about 10 years too late.

Players like him and Monroe are becoming a thing of the past. They are not got defensively and their offensive games are not compatible to the way teams space and pace the floor now.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: slamtheking on July 17, 2018, 08:25:45 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Almost the complete opposite of Emeka, amazingly. They're two halves of a legendary center, lol. Emeka's defence and rebounding coupled with Jahlil's offensive touch would be awesome. Sadly, fusions between people are impossible

Strange world...a couple years back Emeka was the bust and Jahlil was the future star.

Now Dwight Howard is arguably worse than Emeka, and Jahlil even worse than Dwight.
Emeka wasn't a bust.  He was a very, very solid center until injuries came into play.  happy to see him back in the league.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: mef730 on July 17, 2018, 09:31:09 AM
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What was the collective thought here?  We were arguing about if Isaiah should get the max or only $20m per.

No matter what the collective thought was, this blog always over values guys that played here.   I admit not even I thought he would sink so low as to get the vet minimum, though.

Major Tangent:

The best class that I ever took in grad school was on behavioral finance, which analyzes the various biases that affect our thought processes. For instance, any thread about POTUS is rich in "confirmation bias," which means that you tend to find evidence that supports your existing view, regardless of whether it's correct.

One of the ones that I found most interesting was the "Endowment effect." First, we shall take a moment to let you giggle about the jokes that just came to your mind...

Okay, done? Good.

The endowment effect means that you value something more highly once you already own it. Read the article here and look at the example that they give using a pen and a mug. Now, take that and expand it to someone that is not only already on your team but also somebody that you have invested a lot of emotion in. No wonder so many people wanted to give IT the Brinks truck. We're conditioned to do so.

If you are interested in behavioral finance, anything by Dick Thaler is a great read. It's sort of "pop non-fiction," but he's the founder of an entire field of study. You don't get to learn from too many of those.

Mike
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: gouki88 on July 17, 2018, 09:43:13 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Almost the complete opposite of Emeka, amazingly. They're two halves of a legendary center, lol. Emeka's defence and rebounding coupled with Jahlil's offensive touch would be awesome. Sadly, fusions between people are impossible

Strange world...a couple years back Emeka was the bust and Jahlil was the future star.

Now Dwight Howard is arguably worse than Emeka, and Jahlil even worse than Dwight.
Emeka wasn't a bust.  He was a very, very solid center until injuries came into play.  happy to see him back in the league.
His rookie year was awesome. 15/11 and nearly 2 blocks. Even with his injuries, his Charlotte numbers were quite good
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on July 18, 2018, 01:46:11 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Almost the complete opposite of Emeka, amazingly. They're two halves of a legendary center, lol. Emeka's defence and rebounding coupled with Jahlil's offensive touch would be awesome. Sadly, fusions between people are impossible

Strange world...a couple years back Emeka was the bust and Jahlil was the future star.

Now Dwight Howard is arguably worse than Emeka, and Jahlil even worse than Dwight.
Emeka wasn't a bust.  He was a very, very solid center until injuries came into play.  happy to see him back in the league.
His rookie year was awesome. 15/11 and nearly 2 blocks. Even with his injuries, his Charlotte numbers were quite good

Guess I am too young for this. But I remember Dwight as the superstar, and Emeka was the next pick who was also a big, but just paled in comparison to Dwight.

Really love that Emeka came back though. He wore a Spongebob jersey at the G-League before coming back to the NBA! Goes to show there's no one road to Rome.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on July 18, 2018, 01:47:35 AM
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What was the collective thought here?  We were arguing about if Isaiah should get the max or only $20m per.

No matter what the collective thought was, this blog always over values guys that played here.   I admit not even I thought he would sink so low as to get the vet minimum, though.

Major Tangent:

The best class that I ever took in grad school was on behavioral finance, which analyzes the various biases that affect our thought processes. For instance, any thread about POTUS is rich in "confirmation bias," which means that you tend to find evidence that supports your existing view, regardless of whether it's correct.

One of the ones that I found most interesting was the "Endowment effect." First, we shall take a moment to let you giggle about the jokes that just came to your mind...

Okay, done? Good.

The endowment effect means that you value something more highly once you already own it. Read the article here and look at the example that they give using a pen and a mug. Now, take that and expand it to someone that is not only already on your team but also somebody that you have invested a lot of emotion in. No wonder so many people wanted to give IT the Brinks truck. We're conditioned to do so.

If you are interested in behavioral finance, anything by Dick Thaler is a great read. It's sort of "pop non-fiction," but he's the founder of an entire field of study. You don't get to learn from too many of those.

Mike

So how does one avoid the Endowment effect in order to field stronger arguments on CelticsBlog about Isaiah Thomas?
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: gouki88 on July 18, 2018, 01:54:26 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Almost the complete opposite of Emeka, amazingly. They're two halves of a legendary center, lol. Emeka's defence and rebounding coupled with Jahlil's offensive touch would be awesome. Sadly, fusions between people are impossible

Strange world...a couple years back Emeka was the bust and Jahlil was the future star.

Now Dwight Howard is arguably worse than Emeka, and Jahlil even worse than Dwight.
Emeka wasn't a bust.  He was a very, very solid center until injuries came into play.  happy to see him back in the league.
His rookie year was awesome. 15/11 and nearly 2 blocks. Even with his injuries, his Charlotte numbers were quite good

Guess I am too young for this. But I remember Dwight as the superstar, and Emeka was the next pick who was also a big, but just paled in comparison to Dwight.

Really love that Emeka came back though. He wore a Spongebob jersey at the G-League before coming back to the NBA! Goes to show there's no one road to Rome.
Emeka was considerably better as a rookie (3 or 4 years older), but then got hurt and only played 26 games the next season. So really we will never know how he would have panned out, but I think he would have probably peaked as an 18/12/2 guy. So still definitely worse than Dwight, but nothing to sneeze at.

That was nearly 15 years ago now though, jeesh ;D
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on July 18, 2018, 02:38:21 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Almost the complete opposite of Emeka, amazingly. They're two halves of a legendary center, lol. Emeka's defence and rebounding coupled with Jahlil's offensive touch would be awesome. Sadly, fusions between people are impossible

Strange world...a couple years back Emeka was the bust and Jahlil was the future star.

Now Dwight Howard is arguably worse than Emeka, and Jahlil even worse than Dwight.
Emeka wasn't a bust.  He was a very, very solid center until injuries came into play.  happy to see him back in the league.
His rookie year was awesome. 15/11 and nearly 2 blocks. Even with his injuries, his Charlotte numbers were quite good

Guess I am too young for this. But I remember Dwight as the superstar, and Emeka was the next pick who was also a big, but just paled in comparison to Dwight.

Really love that Emeka came back though. He wore a Spongebob jersey at the G-League before coming back to the NBA! Goes to show there's no one road to Rome.
Emeka was considerably better as a rookie (3 or 4 years older), but then got hurt and only played 26 games the next season. So really we will never know how he would have panned out, but I think he would have probably peaked as an 18/12/2 guy. So still definitely worse than Dwight, but nothing to sneeze at.

That was nearly 15 years ago now though, jeesh ;D

Yet the net effect is neither have won a single championship. Quite interesting when you consider that.

Though, of course, Dwight has multiple DPoY, and sells much more tickets...
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: trickybilly on July 18, 2018, 03:36:04 AM
Quote
What was the collective thought here?  We were arguing about if Isaiah should get the max or only $20m per.

No matter what the collective thought was, this blog always over values guys that played here.   I admit not even I thought he would sink so low as to get the vet minimum, though.

Major Tangent:

The best class that I ever took in grad school was on behavioral finance, which analyzes the various biases that affect our thought processes. For instance, any thread about POTUS is rich in "confirmation bias," which means that you tend to find evidence that supports your existing view, regardless of whether it's correct.

One of the ones that I found most interesting was the "Endowment effect." First, we shall take a moment to let you giggle about the jokes that just came to your mind...

Okay, done? Good.

The endowment effect means that you value something more highly once you already own it. Read the article here and look at the example that they give using a pen and a mug. Now, take that and expand it to someone that is not only already on your team but also somebody that you have invested a lot of emotion in. No wonder so many people wanted to give IT the Brinks truck. We're conditioned to do so.

If you are interested in behavioral finance, anything by Dick Thaler is a great read. It's sort of "pop non-fiction," but he's the founder of an entire field of study. You don't get to learn from too many of those.

Mike

Great thread to read back on:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=92521.msg2358915#msg2358915
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: gouki88 on July 18, 2018, 04:04:34 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Almost the complete opposite of Emeka, amazingly. They're two halves of a legendary center, lol. Emeka's defence and rebounding coupled with Jahlil's offensive touch would be awesome. Sadly, fusions between people are impossible

Strange world...a couple years back Emeka was the bust and Jahlil was the future star.

Now Dwight Howard is arguably worse than Emeka, and Jahlil even worse than Dwight.
Emeka wasn't a bust.  He was a very, very solid center until injuries came into play.  happy to see him back in the league.
His rookie year was awesome. 15/11 and nearly 2 blocks. Even with his injuries, his Charlotte numbers were quite good

Guess I am too young for this. But I remember Dwight as the superstar, and Emeka was the next pick who was also a big, but just paled in comparison to Dwight.

Really love that Emeka came back though. He wore a Spongebob jersey at the G-League before coming back to the NBA! Goes to show there's no one road to Rome.
Emeka was considerably better as a rookie (3 or 4 years older), but then got hurt and only played 26 games the next season. So really we will never know how he would have panned out, but I think he would have probably peaked as an 18/12/2 guy. So still definitely worse than Dwight, but nothing to sneeze at.

That was nearly 15 years ago now though, jeesh ;D

Yet the net effect is neither have won a single championship. Quite interesting when you consider that.

Though, of course, Dwight has multiple DPoY, and sells much more tickets...
Emeka had a deeper playoff run this year!! ;)
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on July 18, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
How does Jahlil compare to Emeka, who is still in the league at age 35?
Almost the complete opposite of Emeka, amazingly. They're two halves of a legendary center, lol. Emeka's defence and rebounding coupled with Jahlil's offensive touch would be awesome. Sadly, fusions between people are impossible

Strange world...a couple years back Emeka was the bust and Jahlil was the future star.

Now Dwight Howard is arguably worse than Emeka, and Jahlil even worse than Dwight.
Emeka wasn't a bust.  He was a very, very solid center until injuries came into play.  happy to see him back in the league.
His rookie year was awesome. 15/11 and nearly 2 blocks. Even with his injuries, his Charlotte numbers were quite good

Guess I am too young for this. But I remember Dwight as the superstar, and Emeka was the next pick who was also a big, but just paled in comparison to Dwight.

Really love that Emeka came back though. He wore a Spongebob jersey at the G-League before coming back to the NBA! Goes to show there's no one road to Rome.
Emeka was considerably better as a rookie (3 or 4 years older), but then got hurt and only played 26 games the next season. So really we will never know how he would have panned out, but I think he would have probably peaked as an 18/12/2 guy. So still definitely worse than Dwight, but nothing to sneeze at.

That was nearly 15 years ago now though, jeesh ;D

Yet the net effect is neither have won a single championship. Quite interesting when you consider that.

Though, of course, Dwight has multiple DPoY, and sells much more tickets...
Emeka had a deeper playoff run this year!! ;)

Looking back, Dwight was a beast when Orlando reached the finals.

If he had just stayed in Orlando...I wonder if they would have at least contended for a few years...like the Rockets except with a star center instead of a star guard. SVG's system was ahead of its time...in a way.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Big333223 on July 18, 2018, 03:02:24 PM
No work ethic. Okafor has a lot of skill and is incredibly coordinated for his size. If he dedicated himself, got into great shape, and started moving his feet on defense, he could have a role in the NBA. But he doesn't want to work for it so he's going to learn a lot about different cultures by living in other countries for a while.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: bogg on July 18, 2018, 09:51:21 PM
Quote
What was the collective thought here?  We were arguing about if Isaiah should get the max or only $20m per.

No matter what the collective thought was, this blog always over values guys that played here.   I admit not even I thought he would sink so low as to get the vet minimum, though.

Major Tangent:

The best class that I ever took in grad school was on behavioral finance, which analyzes the various biases that affect our thought processes. For instance, any thread about POTUS is rich in "confirmation bias," which means that you tend to find evidence that supports your existing view, regardless of whether it's correct.

One of the ones that I found most interesting was the "Endowment effect." First, we shall take a moment to let you giggle about the jokes that just came to your mind...

Okay, done? Good.

The endowment effect means that you value something more highly once you already own it. Read the article here and look at the example that they give using a pen and a mug. Now, take that and expand it to someone that is not only already on your team but also somebody that you have invested a lot of emotion in. No wonder so many people wanted to give IT the Brinks truck. We're conditioned to do so.

If you are interested in behavioral finance, anything by Dick Thaler is a great read. It's sort of "pop non-fiction," but he's the founder of an entire field of study. You don't get to learn from too many of those.

Mike

Do they give an example where, after assigning a perceived value to your mug, somebody smashes it with a hammer and then acts smug about you ever thinking you could get that much for a pile of irregular ceramic shards? Because that's the relevant comparison.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: celticsclay on July 23, 2018, 01:43:16 PM
https://www.thesportster.com/news/jahlil-okafor-works-out-4-teams-china/

Looks like he may head overseas
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: saltlover on July 23, 2018, 01:48:13 PM
https://www.thesportster.com/news/jahlil-okafor-works-out-4-teams-china/

Looks like he may head overseas

This would not be surprising.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: colincb on July 23, 2018, 02:50:10 PM
No work ethic. Okafor has a lot of skill and is incredibly coordinated for his size. If he dedicated himself, got into great shape, and started moving his feet on defense, he could have a role in the NBA. But he doesn't want to work for it so he's going to learn a lot about different cultures by living in other countries for a while.

His read/react instincts on defense are as bad as I've seen. Dear in the headlights. He's a natural for Chinese BB.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Donoghus on July 23, 2018, 02:51:11 PM
Just think....we could've had him for BKN '17. 

 ;)
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Moranis on August 08, 2018, 02:46:30 PM
Signed with Pelicans today.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: perks-a-beast on August 08, 2018, 02:50:37 PM
Wish him well in NOLA. No reason he shouldnít get backup C minutes over Diallo, Okafor, Asik.

Davis/Randle/Okafor is a lot of offensive firepower upfront.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: nickagneta on August 08, 2018, 03:02:43 PM
Its only a partially guaranteed deal so there is a chance he might not even make the team. If NOLA was confident he could contribute, they would have given him a fully guaranteed deal.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: perks-a-beast on August 08, 2018, 03:28:01 PM
Its only a partially guaranteed deal so there is a chance he might not even make the team. If NOLA was confident he could contribute, they would have given him a fully guaranteed deal.


Ouch. Pretty bad for a #3 pick.

Call me crazy but I think if he was drafted 10 years earlier he would have been an all star by this point in his career. Thatís how much the game has changed in the past couple years - just no room for bigs like him anymore.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Donoghus on August 08, 2018, 03:30:52 PM
Its only a partially guaranteed deal so there is a chance he might not even make the team. If NOLA was confident he could contribute, they would have given him a fully guaranteed deal.


Ouch. Pretty bad for a #3 pick.

Call me crazy but I think if he was drafted 10 years earlier he would have been an all star by this point in his career. Thatís how much the game has changed in the past couple years - just no room for bigs like him anymore.

He would've fit right in the 90s.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Big333223 on August 08, 2018, 03:49:00 PM
Its only a partially guaranteed deal so there is a chance he might not even make the team. If NOLA was confident he could contribute, they would have given him a fully guaranteed deal.


Ouch. Pretty bad for a #3 pick.

Call me crazy but I think if he was drafted 10 years earlier he would have been an all star by this point in his career. That’s how much the game has changed in the past couple years - just no room for bigs like him anymore.

He'd definitely be in someone's rotation but I doubt he'd be an all star. I'm not even sure he'd be a starter. He's just so bad defensively, and doesn't rebound. The game has changed a lot but you've always needed strong work ethic to make it in the NBA and Okafor does not appear to have it.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: Mike Pemulis on August 08, 2018, 04:46:14 PM
End of game lineup:

C - Okafor
PF - Davis
SF - Randle
SG - Mirotic 
PG - Holiday 

That's a dynasty in the making. 
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: perks-a-beast on August 08, 2018, 06:01:21 PM
End of game lineup:

C - Okafor
PF - Davis
SF - Randle
SG - Mirotic 
PG - Holiday 

That's a dynasty in the making.

Lol. Such an awkward roster, has been for years.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: GreenEnvy on August 08, 2018, 06:41:08 PM
Its only a partially guaranteed deal so there is a chance he might not even make the team. If NOLA was confident he could contribute, they would have given him a fully guaranteed deal.


Ouch. Pretty bad for a #3 pick.

Call me crazy but I think if he was drafted 10 years earlier he would have been an all star by this point in his career. Thatís how much the game has changed in the past couple years - just no room for bigs like him anymore.

Iím not so sure.

He had a very strong rookie campaign, and his per-36 numbers even this season werenít far off from that. His issue is not the era he plays in, itís his attitude and work ethic.
Title: Re: Jahill Okafor receiving no offers
Post by: SHAQATTACK on August 08, 2018, 06:55:20 PM
Just think....we could've had him for BKN '17. 

 ;)

you ll get over it .....hee hee hee